How did a young, inexperienced man of very limited cultural background (born in South Africa in 1892) manage to do the impossible, invent a completely...

How did a young, inexperienced man of very limited cultural background (born in South Africa in 1892) manage to do the impossible, invent a completely new and radical worldview, and then turn that worldview into a religion that changed the face of the whole world?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because he spent his entire life doing it. It was decades of work.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Read 'Tolkien and the Great War' by John Garth 2003, will answer your questions

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    He was an extremely passionate man and dedicated his entire life to work that he loved.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >invent a completely new and radical worldview, and then turn that worldview into a religion that changed the face of the whole world?
    ???

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is it true that he based orcs on Turks?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      guys I don't think tolkien invented catholicism.

      no that's just the usual oversensitive racebaiters fighting racism by declaring that anything ugly and evil must be based on Black folk. Tolkien's orcs represent modern industrial militaries, every orc has a number, snitches on his peers, and is generally miserable all the time.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      guys I don't think tolkien invented catholicism.

      no that's just the usual oversensitive racebaiters fighting racism by declaring that anything ugly and evil must be based on Black folk. Tolkien's orcs represent modern industrial militaries, every orc has a number, snitches on his peers, and is generally miserable all the time.

      >tolkien's orcs represent joggers/roaches/etc
      >nuh uh they represent modern industrialized militaries
      >tolkien's anything represents anything

      tolkien hated allegory and direct symbolism to the real world. he made that very clear.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        He literally wrote this in the forward of fellowship lol

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          If that guy had read the foreword, he might have gotten to the part where Tolkien explained that meant Sauron doesn't represent nazi germany and the one ring doesn't represent the nuclear bomb and etc etc. He had a problem with specific allegories telling you exactly what to think of current events. You'd have to be a fool to think the villains of lord of the rings don't represent industrialization in general.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        He preferred applicability, scenarios that people can relate to. And the orcs were definitely made with his experience in the WW1 meat grinder in mind.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      in one of his letters he said the closest people to orcs in appearance would be the chinese, although not exactly similar

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        sorry he said mongol-types not chinese

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          although the chinese are mongoloids so not far off! 🙂

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Irish. Orcs are based upon the Fomorians thus all orcs are Irish.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      torcs

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    LOTR is basically the spanish Reconquista and some celtic stuff

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      > LOTR is basically the spanish Reconquista
      This. It reads a lot like De Rebus Hispaniae

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This is the type of schizoposting I come for in Tolkien threads

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    He was there. He remembered it

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >invent a completely new and radical worldview, and then turn that worldview into a religion that changed the face of the whole world
    It’s literally just Catholicism with folkish aesthetics.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Nah it's norse myth with the bits filed off so as to not have it chafe with his catholicism.
      Tolkien was a pretty unashamed norseboo if you bother reading his non-middle earth stuff and had a strong fascination with their heroic views on predestined doom which he dubbed northern courage.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Tolkien is (headcanon)

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        not just norse mythology. for example there are parts of silmarillion that are lifted straight from finno-ugric myth, like the 'children of hurin'.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision
        why yes Tolkien was totally wrong about what he wrote, how he wrote it and why he wrote it

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Well obviously. The whole framing of it is deliberately about God and not-Satan's lieutenant which is what I mean about not chafing with his catholicism. All the ostensibly norse/grecian gods running around are subordinates of his actual God or subordinates of those subordinates.
          The worldbuilding still is heavily derivative of his views on Beowulf and the norse myths.
          Realize that everyone in the fellowship beside Gandalf is a heathen, essentially a virtuous pagan, as Tolkien was very careful that the story should not clash with the OT and NT.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            word building is the operative phrase. The setting is at best pagan themed but the core narrative is Christian.
            The focus of the story is not a grand epic of the hero that slays his way to the throne. But of humble little being whom is saved only by his innocence and the loyalty and love of his friend.
            All the heroics are only there to facilitate this core.
            If you look at Tolkien's world and see the valar and go "oh it's pagan" you are only reading the surface text. Not just because you are missing out on Eru and that the valar are more angels than gods in their own right.
            But that the narratives, meanings and lessons are Christian.
            The fall of Numenor is caused by pride. Pride is a virtue to the norse that hold it above all else for a man to have but it is mortal sin for a Christian. Pride causing the fall of Numenor there for is a Christian morality play far more than a Norse saga.
            Beowulf claims his land not by being the rightful king but by slaying the monsters that beset the lands. Aragon is the rightful kind and he need not slay any monsters for his crown. He needs to face down his own flaws, his own sins and then claim what was his all along and his subjects will recognize him as such without contest. A far more medieval and Christian view on royalty. Both as to the divine right of Aragon and to the role of his subjects accepting him.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >A THREAD A COMPLETE ANTI-ANGLO COPE
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH SEETHE MOAR THIRDIES

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      England is full of Muslims, Indians, and Black folk. Which third world country are you talking about that looks any different? Mexico?

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    how many more years until cancel culture goes after him

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      just two weeks and Amazon tries to cancel his legacy

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      If cancel culture hasn’t erased Lovecraft, it sure as shit won’t erase Tolkien.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        nobody knows who lovecraft is though

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        My English professor (her/she) did say he was a racist. No I'm not joking.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I love Lovecraft but yes he was a massive racist

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          That's an understatement though. He was wasn't even "race realism" racist, he was full schizoid racist.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >invent a completely new and radical worldview, and then turn that worldview into a religion that changed the face of the whole world?
    Who did what now?

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