How could Napoleon win the Napoleonic Wars? What would be the major changes in the history that could happen in this alternate reality?


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How could Napoleon win the Napoleonic Wars? What would be the major changes in the history that could happen in this alternate reality?

  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    one word: consolidation
    pose as the protector of Europe against the Russian hordes, fortify the east in depth, guard the coasts against Britain.
    And leave Spain alone. I mean, he can have the Basques and Catalans, but mainland Spain and the northern forests can't be taken, so don't take them

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean his empire would've disintegrated somewhere around 1825 anyway, he had stomach cancer after all.
      It'd either end with another coalition reversing everything or a diadochi style free for all with his generals.

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The obvious one is that he doesn’t attempt a war of conquest against Russia. Perhaps a war where he defensively annihilates Russian armies advancing into Poland and Hungary works in his favor, but his biggest mistake was losing half a million men in Russia.
    Second to that is probably Spain. He should’ve installed a puppet King under the previous dynasty instead of his brother and done what was necessary to prevent the guerrilla war that broke out.
    Those are more big picture things he could’ve done.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      An alternative I've seen is that he attempts a war of LIBERATION against Russia. Don't just invade Russia with limited aims; go there to recruit the serfs against the lords.
      He then has to leave Russia to the Russians, but at least these Russians are in total chaos, and not Napoleon's problem anymore.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >An alternative I've seen is that he attempts a war of LIBERATION against Russia. Don't just invade Russia with limited aims; go there to recruit the serfs against the lords.
        >He then has to leave Russia to the Russians, but at least these Russians are in total chaos, and not Napoleon's problem anymore.
        This. He already had a big fan following among Russian nobles, and even among the peasants there where rumours that he was a good guy who would liberate them. Had he actually proclaimed that he wants to liberate the serfs, than the Tsar would have instantly faced a huge peasant rebellion and probably a coup by napoleonoboo nobles. Yet in the end, Napoopan's disdain for plebs was too strong.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Napoleon didn’t free the serfs against Russia because he feared this would make it ungovernable And would make whatever puppet state he establishes there collapse, he also didn’t want the backlash it would create in Austria, which still had serfdom. He only abolished it in the new states he created (like Poland) and let associated kingdoms manage their interior policies (Prussia abolished it Independently of napoleon’s terms)

          Abolishing serfdom 50 years ahead of irl in Russia would also realistically make it wealthier, more urbanised and more educated in the long term, making it more of a threat

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Invasion of Ottoman hellhole
          VGH

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >should’ve installed a puppet King under the previous dynasty
      they already were practically puppets, they did everything they were told save for a few of napoleon's dumb overreach policies, France had huge control over Spain
      Charles IV was a cuck, his handler (also the man cucking him) was a frenchlover and the one who proposed allying with France, he was also the one who opened up the country in hopes of becoming a duke in portugal so it's doubtful he would've betrayed Napoleon, and if all that fails, Fernando VII, Charles IV's son was a retard who was trying to coup his father so he could've been placed on the throne and the spaniards wouldn't have revolted

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >they already were practically puppets, they did everything they were told save for a few of napoleon's dumb overreach policies, France had huge control over Spain
        Maybe in Madrid and some other places, but for the most part the Spanish were divided between pro-Bourbon and pro-Napoleon Spanish monarchs, with Britain and Portugal supporting the former with a sizable chunk of the Spanish army too. France may have had huge control over the Spain via King Joseph as proxy, but it's not like he could exert any real influence or win substantial victories against the Allied forces.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          i'm talking about before the invasion
          king joseph had little control over his own country save for Madrid and the few generals that listened to him, practically only Souchet listened to him, Ney or Soult did whatever they wanted with their army, and the french's sacking of the countryside was one of the reasons the guerrilla war got so bad for them

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    he invaded russia which is r1a property. thus standard rules apply and france was haplocursed and raped and a new nearby r1b power became the new haplo master (britain)

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kys homosexual

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based and haplopilled

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I’ve played Napoleon Total War, and I think basically he just has to wait until the enemy gets close enough so he can mass grape shot and then he’ll win easily

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    leave portugal and spain alone
    wellington's anglo-portuguese armies cucked even the best napoleon's generals, Junot and Massena had their armies ruined there

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >wellington's anglo-portuguese armies cucked even the best napoleon's generals
      Objectively false. They couldn't do anything of importance in offensive until 1812 when French army was overstretched and unmanned because of Russian campaign.
      Not to mention of Napoleon's best generals and marshals only five were in Spain.
      Lannes completed as siege in 1808.
      Ney cucked wellesley's attack at rearguard retreat of Massena.
      Soult at the cost of a string of defeats with an inexperienced and demoralized army delayed wellesley and cucked him from reaching Paris first.
      Suchet was busy in Aragon and Valencia.
      >Junot
      Ok
      >and Massena had their armies ruined there
      A one-eyed oldman with severe illness way past his prime seeing britis-portuguese forces behind a natural defence and retreating because it was impossible to take isn't anything to be proud of.

      Accept the Frankfurt proposals and establish France's "natural borders" that would still allow it to dominate Europe. When the future war occurs France can fight with an actual army instead of scraping the bottom of the barrel.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_proposals

      They were extremely generous terms after the loss at the Battle of Leipzig, Napoleon was a fool to dither.

      >trusting a coalition of members that broke peace treaties several times before
      post your nose rothschild.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >it was a glorious victory in which French forced successfully advanced into France and won decisively by throwing their weapons down at Toulouse and going home.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I'll be in Paris before other coalition members t. wellesley
          >Got cucked at Toulouse with a stalemate aka southern France and still not passing by it until Louis XVIII orders both him and Soult to fuckoff
          cope harder

          >They couldn't do anything of importance in offensive until 1812
          They kicked the french to the Ebro in 1808 (battle of Bailen) , that's when Napoleon himself got involved,but after he left, France's advances hadn't been very decisive, up to 1812 they had failed three times to take Portugal, failed to take Cadiz, Granada, Galicia and Valencia and were hemorrhaging soldiers

          >They kicked the french to the Ebro in 1808 (battle of Bailen)
          Surprise attack by SPANISH army, not british-portugese army under wellesley. Did you even read what I was replying to?
          >that's when Napoleon himself got involved,but after he left, France's advances hadn't been very decisive, up to 1812 they had failed three times to take Portugal, failed to take Cadiz, Granada, Galicia and Valencia and were hemorrhaging soldiers
          Wrong. By 1810 Aragon under General Suchet was the most stable region in Spain, and Valencia was taken by 1811 by Suchet which resulted in his promotion to Marshal.
          By 1812 most of Spain in fact was under French occupation until Napoleon took soldiers from there in 1812 and 1813 for Russian and German campaigns respectively which was all wellesley needed to launch the decisive offensive.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >General Suchet
            he was practically the only general who didn't completely sack whatever region he ruled

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >They couldn't do anything of importance in offensive until 1812
        They kicked the french to the Ebro in 1808 (battle of Bailen) , that's when Napoleon himself got involved,but after he left, France's advances hadn't been very decisive, up to 1812 they had failed three times to take Portugal, failed to take Cadiz, Granada, Galicia and Valencia and were hemorrhaging soldiers

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bump!

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      anon, people would rather post on the same daily threads about the holocaust, haplomemes, celts and bait
      the bait thread about spain is still up

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Accept the Frankfurt proposals and establish France's "natural borders" that would still allow it to dominate Europe. When the future war occurs France can fight with an actual army instead of scraping the bottom of the barrel.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_proposals

    They were extremely generous terms after the loss at the Battle of Leipzig, Napoleon was a fool to dither.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is giving too much weight to Metternich’s power of persuasion. Napoleon actually studied the proposals in detail and even started joint negotiations with the pope and Ferdinand to try and secure peace, whilst consolidating his position after Leipzig. He simply took too long and the Brits torpedoed the Leipzig proposals. In addition, the proposals could have been used as a way to stop mobilization in France and allowed the Allies to manœuvre in peace before bringing down the hammer + paint Napoleon as a warmonger for not accepting the peace immediately.

      Metternich may have been acting in good faith, but the other Allies were probably not.

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What would be the major changes in the history
    A better world. VGH...

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    1. Leave Spain alone
    2. Don't set up a personal dynasty (having your brothers larp as kings)
    3. Abandon continental system

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.deviantart.com/totentanz0/art/Napoleon-I-917652242
    VGHH

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    a small one that might have diverted attention
    instead of re-enslaving the Haitans and failing, send a few commanders over and use them as a wrecking ball in the Caribbean and possibly even mainland US, diverting further attention instead of losing troops

  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    should have allowed russia have pooland

  13. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Listen to Talleyrand

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      He did : Spain was the result

  14. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How could Napoleon win the Napoleonic Wars?

    Accept the favourable peace terms in 1813.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Accept the favourable peace terms in 1-ack

  15. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    It all fell apart after Spain. If he doesn't overthrow his own allies, and then doesn't try to maintain his blockade of England, Napoleon could maintain his system for a few more decades.

    But then he wouldn't be Napoleon. He'd be someone else.

  16. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't invade Russia

  17. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Invade Russia but don't be retarded about it

  18. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Denmark was never a vassal of France, they were an ally at best. Wtf is this map?

  19. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why didn't Napoleon ally with the autumn men's they would have taken care of Russia.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fuck, I am never using speech to text messaging again

  20. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Even if Russia, Spain and Portugal outright surrendered and came to the negotiating table, Napoleon would have started new campaigns in the Ottoman Empire or Sweden or wherever else. Which would have inevitably led to Britain, Austria etc all flipping back to the opposing coalition again and again. I don't see it being in his personality to settle with any gain, Napoleon would have always pushed for more, so it comes down to either total victory on the whole continent or eventual defeat

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