How come nobody from Megadeth or Slayer could match his solos?
Is it because he got lessons from Steve Vai?
How come nobody from Megadeth or Slayer could match his solos? Is it because he got lessons from Steve Vai?
How come nobody from Megadeth or Slayer could match his solos?
Is it because he got lessons from Steve Vai?
The original 56%
Wah pedal wanker.
What do you think Marty friedman did?
You don't even need to bring up Marty, that's overkill. Even Dave's solos are 100x more interesting and they both use le pentatonics
nothing memorable
Delusional
alzheimer
>private lessons by steve vai
>still gets mogged by two self taught guitarists and one that took a few lessons when he was like 13
the absolute state
>still gets mogged by two self taught guitarists
Which ones?
I'm guessing Hanneman and Mustaine? I know King basically taught Hanneman how to play, or at least gave him pointers
lol but hammet utterly mogs those 2 farts
>t. Kirk
Come on kerry, that's enough internet for today.
>t. negru
Yeah Hanneman didn't play guitar until he was like 20 or something and only started because him and King liked the same music and wanted to form a band so King taught him power chords and that was it
really impressive how he was able to solo from that. dexterity you would expect from someone who practiced in high school
funny since hanneman absolutely mogs king in every way, exceptionally in the riffs department.
It was Satriani. Hammett and Vai both studied under him.
Satriani was self taught? Ive never looked into his musical upbringing but Satch always struck me as someone who went through the grinder of continuous lessons, be it from teachers or classes
creeping death and the unforgiven are kirk's two best solos but neither of them can touch tornado of souls
>MUH PLAGIARISM
good bait but everything metallishart did was a ripoff including their most iconic solos
Metallica detractors are trash
They inspired every band that came after them
If Metallica died immediately after the black album they would've been remembered as the greatest rock/metal/etc band of all time. It's just trendy to hate them because they're one of those bands everyone started out listening to, so it's a way to signal how unique and different you are.
Every band is just ripping off their heroes.
whoever made these videos clearly doesn't know the definition of plagiarism
out of all the examples presented, there are only three cases of actual plagiarism:
>Seek and Destroy/Princess of the Night
>For Whom the Bell Tolls/Fairies Wear Boots
>The End of the Line/Why Go?
why even include Die By His Hand? Kirk literally wrote the fucking riff while in Exodus
I only liked two Kirk solos (Jump in the Fire, Ride the Lightning) and it turns out Mustaine wrote both of those.
>mustaine
>ride the lightning solo
who the fuck told you that?
It's true.
that's Kirk, dog. Dave couldn't play that clean, he never used a wah pedal, and his phrasing is NOTHING like that. That is 100% Kirk playing lead
Dave wrote two riffs that ended up on that song and nothing else.
Not Dave
But you can hear his solos in No Life til Leather
None of these Thrash "musicians" had the soul of Randy.
Every individual note coming out of Marty's guitar mogged Randy and EVH's entire careers
Cope harder, everybody knows and can sing along to an entire Van Halen or Rhoads solo meanwhile Marty stays literally who.
>meanwhile tornado of souls is the most well known metal solo in history
Cope harder, nobody knows that shit, nobody even knows that song outside of Metalfag universe. You know what people do know? Crazy Train, Panama, Aces High, Heaven And Hell, Holy Diver
Cope harder Thrashfag, Traditional Metal will always be superior to your wankery.
That would be a Metallica song
Are all Zoomers this retarded?
a single 70s/80s van halen song has more complexity and soul than all of marty's output. yes i'm mad and yes i'm correct
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I don't even need to use my words
NTA, but you answer with 2 soulless chromatic up-and-down solos like that? Cmon man...I don't even Van Halen but cmon...
>only listens to first couple seconds
Anon can't even comprehend more than one guitar line at a time
Marty you'll never be as great as Eddie, just enjoy the free nip pussy kiddo
I like Rhoads a lot but his solos weren't nearly as melodic and memorable as people pretend
Mostly he was just extremely fast and did a lot of 3 note per string stuff back when people were still doing a lot of pentatonics
That being said Goodbye to Romance has my favorite guitar solo of all time
No, because he has more musicality and is a more melodic player than any of the retarded "shredders" being posted here. Nobody can name a single Megadeth or Slayer song, let alone a guitar solo, apart from the obese metalheads ITT. Yet Metallica has tons of songs known by normies, because they're better songwriters. Simple as. Don't @ me
holy kek, best bait I've seen in months
It's a pretty shit bait
Barely even trying
Saying normies like something because it has "better songwriting" is dumb since normies like pop and rap which are lowest common denominator garbage
Don't feed it
It doesn't deserve it, he should work harder for it
He, unironically, knows a lot about music theory
does he? it seems like he just has a good idea of whatever scale he was working with sounds like and little touches like that. some might call that theory i guess
Think it was an interview in Guitar world where he went through his most famous solos and gave a pretty good explanation for what he was playing beyond just scales
link? i wanna read that
From Total Guitar, aug 2021
>(On the Wherever i may Roam solo) I used some Phrygian Dominant in that. What I always do when I get to where the solo is look at the rhythm chords. You need to look at the notes in the riff and apply the necessary scale. Find the one with the most amount of notes that the chords do and co-ordinate them. In this case, it was a lot of Phrygian and Phrygian Dominant. I’m more inclined to use harmonic minor these days than the straight major scale modes because I feel you can get away with more! I recently played with Kamasi Washington, he covered My Friend Of Misery. The tonality of the chords during my solo worked well for harmonic minor because it had some similar chromatic notes. When I played pentatonics over that bit, it sounded in but it didn’t really jive in the same way as it did modally. I tried harmonic minor and I was in. I tried harmonic minor with even more chromatics and I was even more in. Which is how I came up with the solo for Wherever I May Roam, looking at the chords in the riff and what kind of scales they’re suggesting. The whole song is in Phrygian when you look at it. So Phrygian Dominant would definitely work! I have a strong knowledge of scales and modes, if I didn’t I wouldn’t be able to reach the same melodic conclusions. Knowing your theory definitely helps!
>And it’s interesting how you have continued to use the trusty pentatonic scale as your launchpad for other tonalities, mixing in seconds, sixths and beyond... The trick is to add notes when you want to. I might play in E minor pentatonic and then add in a C sharp, and suddenly I’m in Dorian. Then I might go back to the pentatonic and go down to the seventh fret and use the E minor shapes there. Then I might go up two frets and find a relative minor there [Editor’s note: the C# Locrian mode here would mirror E Dorian]. I just add notes when I feel like it. Sometimes people might not notice this – I think you’re the very first person to actually point it out – but I might go from pentatonic to modal for just three or four seconds before going back. I love the pentatonic sound because that’s what I grew up on. Jimmy Page, Jimi Hendrix... That’s the sound, man. For me it’s not about the completely modal thing, like Eric Johnson or those kinds of players. I still love modal stuff and the European sound of it, so I tend to write melodies and compose using modes but when I’m improvising it’s about pentatonics and chromaticism. Those are the notes I like to play.
>aug 2021
So Kirk didn't forget how to play the guitar, it's Lars who made him play shit solos for DM and Hardwired
I think kirk is resposible, that he was phoning it in.
I think it's both. Kirk half-assed but the making of videos for the last albums show Lars is a massive back-seat driver in his solos.
>caring about keys
kys unironically
if you complain about thrash metal songs being in E then you fundamentally don't understand what makes thrash metal thrash
Kirk decided to improvise all his solos on Hardwired, and bob rock wasn’t there to tell him that was a retarded idea
that doesn't excuse having 4 good solos out of ~15 in Death Magnetic.
>Megadeth
Not enough soul
>Slayer
Too much soul
>not enough soul
I don't understand this complaint
Intro to Black Friday gives me shivers every time mustaine kicks in after poland
>too much soul
>bad
???
We're talking relative to Kirk, not in general here. Also too much soul and you end up with stream of consciousness chaos you get with Slayer
hee hee hee
Bait
Megadeth had Poland, Friedman and Loureiro who play circles around Hammett the Manlet
The ''Fight Fire With Fire'' dual harmony solo is the greatest piece of music ever written
the blackened harmony part is better
lol
Halo On Fire > Blackened
Fixxxer harmony > Blackened
Tornado of Souls solo > All of Kirks
Tornado of Souls is not even Marty's best lol, it's just his longest. He's got like 4 better solos on RiP alone.
Also Call of Ktulu, Disposable Heroes, Rise the Lightning > Tornado
stop smoking crack
it's great but people fixate on it so bad when he has so much
I prefer Poland's solos anyway
You never heard Marty play. Marty smoked everyone.
Schuldiner > everyone else
>le fast tapping arpeggio man
wow, truly the GOAT guitarist
>kirk
>tapping arpeggios
name 2 solos where he does this that aren't from AJFA
megadeth's and slayer's solos mog the shit out of hammet's
>Slayer
I know Kirk is overrated but please stop being a retard.
slayer's solos serve their music perfectly. they are the logical continuation of kk downing's whammy bar abuse.
finally someone else said it. Kerry King didn't create slayer solos, he literally just stole Judas Priest solos and played them at 250bpm (and there's nothing wrong with that)
This
>b-but muh clean playing
Who cares, it's thrash
>slayer's solos serve their music perfectly
Shitting liquid diarrhea on a song is serving it?
sure worked for hammett
I don't like Kirk's solos at all but Slayer solos are actual dogshit in every sense.
nagger it's fucking thrash, you want pretty noodling listen to trad or tech shit
"It'S tHrASh!!!" is such a retarded copout argument. Yes, the music is aggressive but most thrash guitarists were at the top of their game. If it was a genre problem and not an individual Slayer problem then other bands would be called out in the same way too
>implying thrash doesn't get called out all the time for being a chugga chugga chugga fest on the low E
>you want pretty noodling listen to
The absoluto state of slacucks
positively filtered
listen to War Ensemble and tell me the solos don't fit
Just listened to it, the first solo is pathetic.
absolutely fucking filtered
Filtered, go listen to slashit.
Listen to Steve Vai then if you want pleasant solos, homosexual
Yeah it did. You have to be retarded to think that slayer's solos are anywhere close to Kirk ones, in fact you can't even call slayer's solos "solos" because it's just noise, there is no rhyme nor reason to it.
I know Kirk is more technically skilled than Dave but Dave's sloppy solos have personality, I don't think Kirk has written a single good solo post-Load. Kirk solos are basically a formality at this point
>Kirk is more technically skilled than Dave
no way. dave is definitely the superior guitarist of the two.
no, Dave is not. Kirk is cleaner than he is, especially live. Dave's style is based on that 70's "i'm high on heroin and i'm soloing faster than my hands can play" style of guys like Jimmy Page.
Dave is better technique wise but Kirk actually knows music theory and can actually write good melodies if he wanted
Dave just plays boxes and shapes and moves them without any thought to what key it should be in
>Dave just plays boxes and shapes and moves them without any thought to what key it should be in
and yet his solos are always in the right key so who cares
>The studio version really should've picked up the tempo
The producer of that album basically brainwashed Dave into recording every song for Youthanasia at 120bpm because that's the right tempo for getting a radio hit.
>Every single song is in E
>his solos are always in the right key
Wow, such an accomplishment
You were the one bringing up keys dude, nobody's saying it's an accomplishment
Of all the major thrash bands, Megadeth might be the ones who stay in E the least. In fact it might even be a straight up minority of their songs that are based around E riffs. Most songs that come to mind are based around the root being on the 2nd fret of the 6th or 5th strings, since Dave loves doing that blues meme of peddling one step below the root.
I'm actually surprised by how much better Something I'm Not sounds live. It always sounded very stiff and monotonous on the album.
I don't particularly like She Wolf, or post 1990 megadeth in general, but I heard this version of it on Rude Awakening and the solo duel with his lead guitarist and the following harmonizing is pretty great
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I really like how aggressive he gets about it
The Rude Awakening version of Reckoning Day is the only version I can listen to now. The studio version really should've picked up the tempo with the key changes like that too.
can't think of a single solo of his from the top of my head
Yeah not a single one sticks out to me as memorable
*blocks your path*
I can play better than him
Too soon
The biggest homosexual to ever be in Metallica and it's not even close. I got front row seats for a concert in the 90s. I was 12 years old and embarrassed for him.
Some tasteful Hamster solos from later era Metallica songs:
Ain't My Bitch
Outlaw Torn
Devil's Dance
Where The WIld Things Are
End of the Line
Day That Never Comes
That's about it. See ya!
>End of the Line
that's his worst solo ever recorded shut the fuck up
>day that never comes
ride the lightning 0 cal
Kirk is utterly unreal on Ride The Lightning but overall can't touch Marty Friedman. I'd take him over Mustaine, great rhythm player but fairly uninteresting with his solos.
Funny that
I've always preferred Mustaine's over Marty's
why?
Just did, no big reason why
Looked up who played my favorite solos and found out they were Mustaine's
Used to think they were Poland's but no, they mostly were Dave's
Poland is probably their most technical guitarist it's just I'm kind of meh on his actual solos. He is unbelievably clean and tight tho.
That's how I feel about Marty, but that's taste for you I guess
All my favorite solos are basically pre RIP, the Mustaine+Poland combo was unbeatable for me, and Good Mourning/Black Friday, Wake up Dead and My Last Words have my absolute favorite ones
Also Into the Lungs of Hell if it counts
>Megadeth lineups
I prefer the Chris/Gar lineup for composition and the Marty/Nick lineup for execution.
>Forgetting Marty Friedman exists
>took guitar lessons from ages 9 through 14 when I moved
>teacher was an obese but really fucking cool lady who took various music classes at a university level for 8 years then played with various orchestras for over a decade
>she apparently saved up enough dosh from doing these performance to afford to be able to move back to her hometown where I happened to live
>she taught me to read sheet music right off the
>music theory became a key focus of our lessons around a year in
>all around classical music based lessons but she encouraged me to play more complex metal music, got me into jazz/blues, and was generally open to spend a lesson every now & then dedicated to helping me focus on figuring out my own style of playing
>moved at 14 after 5 years of lessons, kept up through my teens and managed to continue playing regularly into my mid-20s
>always felt as if she would be proud of my current progress but lately feel like she would be disappointed in my lack of direction since becoming a young adult
>work at a manual labor job, no active band, just continue practicing and working on my stuff when I can with little to no actual goal in mind
Should I just sign up for some university lessons to regain a sense of direction and possibly even follow in her footsteps of playing in classical music ensembles? Im 25 and despite trying to fit into fields I have no business spending my time in while my greatest talent is wasted on after-work guitar sessions
Fuck sakes, had a few beers after work and was typing in a steam of consciousness, didnt notice all the typos. Meant to post
>she saved up enough cash to move back home and not work for a decent period of time
>I was taught sheet music from off our first lesson
Hey, I really like this post. Makes me feel all nostalgic and shit. I didn't start playing guitar until I was 19. Only took lessons for one year. Only kept it up sporadically. Have no ambition whatsoever about taking more lessons or going to school for it. I write and record music, jam with friends, and as I'm moving towards more art related career ambitions, I plan to keep growing musically and incorporate it into my work. I'm 37.
Some homosexual will tell me to kill myself, but it doesn't matter. Life is beautiful, and you just have to make the most of it going forward no matter where you're at. That being said, you don't need to take music lessons to regain a sense of direction, but you do need to figure out what you want to do. Being in a dead end labor job can be soul destroying, so you do need to get out of that hole. I would encourage to do some soul searching and figure out what direction you want to take your musical talent. In the meantime, you should probably look for a more pleasant job to keep paying your bills. Don't let it drain your soul.
I appreciate the quality response anon, im gonna look for a job that can pay the bills without leaving me too exhausted to put any effort into doing what I love most. Best of luck in your musical endeavors bud
Priceless advice all around. Despite listening to a lot of Satriani since I was a teenager I dont think ive listened through any of his interviews, workshops, or lessons. I should change that, the video you linked me reminded me a lot of listening to the stuff my old teacher used to say. Honestly despite being a young lad she really did teach me as if I were any other student and gave me a lot of good advice and insight into the path of a dedicated musician
Do you have anything you've recorded and uploaded? Just curious. Because a lot of people think they have to be in a band or reach a certain skill level before they start writing material, and I think it's good to just write stuff no matter what level you're at.
>Do you have anything you've recorded and uploaded
No and no. Like I said ive been working a job for the past 2-3 years that has left me with little time for music beyond keeping up with my practice routines (8 hour shifts here & there but 12-15 hour shifts on average) and despite playing for 15+ years I've only just started putting money towards a DAW/home recording equipment around 6 months ago. Ive been spending time since getting used to both using a digital setup as well a making some minor progress with home recording (nothing I feel too great about sharing). Honestly the process of recording, mixing, and arranging music is a new frontier to me and ive always been a little embarrassed about my total lack of music production skill despite playing my respective instrument for over half my life now.
Ah well, don't worry about it. Despite probably being no where near your skill level, I've recorded over 80 tracks. I started recording with a 15$ mic propped up to my amp. I love low fidelity music, so I completely reject the idea that it needs to be at some high quality production level. As long as it's good and has passion, that's all that really matters.
I don't really sweat about anything. I just let life happen naturally. I hadn't even played guitar in a long time. Was getting kinda depressed, playing video games, drinking, smoking weed, and felt like I was going nowhere. But then I just kicked the video games, alcohol, and weed aside, and started focusing on art. Next thing I knew, I was busting the guitar out and jamming like a madman. Helped my friend clean up his shit, and we started making art. Now we're looking to get our art in a gallery this summer, and we're getting together to jam and record some music. I'm studying coding and working on a video game, and I want to do all original music for it. I feel high on life again. No one's gonna do it for you. You gotta make your own life interesting. But you're also not alone.
When you get something recorded, I hope you'll share it with us. 😀
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>kirk mog dave
>no dave mog kirk
>no kirk mog kirk
>no dave mog kirk
>no kirk mog marty
>no marty mog kirk
>no dave mog kirk
>no marty mog dave
>no kirk mog dave
>no dave mog marty
>no kirk mog marty
>no dave mog kirk
Marty is the superior guitarist in every way and you should all be killed.
and yet
i'd still take poland over him any day
kiko shits over all of them
silence, favela dweller
it's true
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completely different genres, don't see the point
metal solos are metal solos what the fuck are you talking about
we're talking thrash, not weedly deedly power doo
you just don't want to admit that Kiko is better
also marty played thrash for like an album and a half and his best solo is done over whats essentially a power metal riff
i never said i like marty, but at least people that post him post his thrash tracks and not his j-shit
that's cause his j-shit is not metal lol
also i didn't post Kiko's dystopia solos because i assumed you've already heard them so i posted something else to help you see that Kiko > Marty
Conquer or Die > Tornado of Souls
conquer or die and anything on dystopia is fucking trash, solos included
i said my piece chrissy
kiko can go back to play pseudo metal in angra for all i care
Dystopia is ok
It's not the old stuff but it's certainly not trash
marty barely wrote anything while in megadeth lmao. dave wrote everything and just gave it to him to play
That's just not true, man
He had Poland's demos for a few tracks but the solos he did on his own
Didn't he come up with Tornado's solo on his audition?
I like 'em all, they're all distinctively different and that's the best thing.
You naggerhomosexuals can keep bitching lmao
Marty > Kiko > Poland > Hammett > Mustaine > Hetfield
>Kiko > Poland
Lmao
Did I stutter, bitch?
Sorry, was drunk
Meant
Poland > Marty > Kiko > Mustaine > Hetfield > Hammett
Tony MacAlpine was the most talented of the Shrapnel kids, sorry homosexuals.
>he
Leave Kirk alone!
Dumb kyokoposter.
Why do all the shred guys like Paul Gilbert and Reb Beach laugh at Kirk?
Kirk manlet isnt even the best guitarist in his own band
He’s the better drummer in the band
Jealousy, unironically
Because despite being better players than Kirk, Kirk is more famous and successful
Also because Kirk has written more memorable solos using the pentatonic box than those shred wankers have using every single scale
>the thread is still up
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lol