How can we make communism viable and successful?


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Communism is flawless ideology and benefit for everyone

Capitalism only good for minority while hurt majority and most of human achievement is just because of science discovery and technology advancement not capitalism

  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Project SYNCO but with quantum computers.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Are you doing the "it is not real Communism argument"?

        Communist states were like that irl, but they were not capable of running the economy properly. It was eventually proved to be more effective to let private entrepreneurs run the economy, because a nation-sized bureaucracies were too large to hold their own weight and allocate products, organize production, determine prices etc.

        But (unless when huge disasters happen) history tends to move towards large organizations outcompeting smaller ones. Alliances of tribes tend to be conquered by empires etc. So I guess more economic centralization is where the future is heading. It is already happening now, the tech sector for example is effectively ruled by monopolies now. But the governments of large countries are still infinitely more powerful than corporations and if they decide to take over the economy, it's game over.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Are you doing the "it is not real Communism argument"?
          It's more like "if i let muh computerinos run the economy and decide how much people should produce and how much they should consume then that is socialism" is just state capitalism, lol.
          >So I guess more economic centralization is where the future is heading.
          Of corse if you reduce them into cattle good for not but produce, thank fuck your social system is more effective.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well first you need to stop being a biased ideologue and examine communism's problems objectively, otherwise there is not even the slightest possibility of making communism work.

      The main issue seems to be with economic planning.

      Capitalism works on exchange value. For example a Lamborghini is an inefficient means of transportation, however rich people pay for them so it fetches a high price and the market profits by producing a number of them. The communist naturally wants to shift production towards "socially necessary" items for the benefit of the workers and peasants, however this principle applies throughout the economy, not just the production of luxury goods for the rich but efficient production in general.

      Consider a small business researching different strains of cereal seed. Now consider a stuffy bureaucratic office in the Kremlin or SYNCO as suggests. How exactly would the apparatchik or a glorified telex machine determine it would be economically productive to develop a strain of seed that better tolerates soil acidity in the Orenburg oblast? The thought would never even occur to them and they would never give anyone the resources to do so, they will be more interested in jet powered crop dusters, nuclear powered ice breakers and other such things that are flashy but have debatable utility. However in the free market you have a multitude of agronomy graduates starting careers, gaining experience in commercial farming. Granted it is difficult to start this business, but if they network with their peers, the businesses they work for and show their credentials to the bank, if there is something to their idea it is far easier for them to do so.

      Until communists find a solution to this problem it will be plagued with inefficiency that outweighs the inequality under capitalism.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        How a lamborghini is an inefficient means of transportation.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          low fuel efficiency, only 2 seats, can't fit much in the back, overengineered because you won't be going 300 mph

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ok that's fine, but it's because only richfags buy them for status.
            On the other hand the majority of cars poor people can afford are as efficient as they can, expecially because fuel is expensive for them.
            I don't see why you want to "shift production towards "socially necessary" items" as the products they consume is already necessary for them.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              That is what the communists want, I assume they prefer tractors to produce food for the poor over Lambos to entertain the rich.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Lambos are not produced en mass for the whole population and for industries.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              I'm glad you asked. You want to know how to fix this? Form a fucking collective and build them your goddamn self.

              That's the difference between free market and command. One is founded on consent, and the other threat of death. "B-but democracy makes it consentual" fuck you get a job, a real job, not whatever bullshit you currently do

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          small capacity, guzzles gas, ask LULZ

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Communism is nothing more than laissez-faire economics taken to the extreme; the supreme manifestation of English materialism. When you deprive the soul of its natural nutrients, it seeks a god in something as absurd as the economic interactions between men.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's Marxism actually

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based.
      Also communism is literally the end state of all corporations
      >mega corps products for megacorps laborers
      >everyone is paid in “shares” of megacorp
      >everyone lives in the megacorp town
      >everyone does what they can and is given only what they need for and by megacorp

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        It was really hilarious watching commies being so high on copium in the 90s/early 00s that they started saying "well it doesn't matter if the USSR lost, it was fake anyway, and you use communism since you have pension funds, gotcha!"
        I wonder what other colorful copes we're going to see this century

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Your brain is mush.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        He's much more clever than you not being held by stupid conventions, by doing that, he's (perhaps) unknowingly basically quoting people like Proudhon.

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    By making it not-communism

    It's always funny how people who complain about le capitalism are on computers with the internet and well fed and all the rest of it, yet claim they're oppressed by suburbs or some nonsense.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >and well fed
      Every third American is visibly malnourished

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >big data and AI becomes even better at determining market demands
    >the government implements more and more policies to gather data from citizens for "security purposes"
    >as a side effect the government now has the most accurate market data
    >it can now allocate goods and services more effectively than private corporations
    >it is even better at marketing than corporations because they can just determine what works from their vast data pool
    >the private economy gets phased out by central planning which is more efficient at this point
    >totalitarian state with centrally planned economy achieved

    Sadly, this is probably going to happen, possibly starting with China.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      They've been working through private entities to circumvent the constitution for decades, you're behind the curve. Facebook is DARPA LifeLog rebranded. And we all know this shithole is a honeypot hence all the non-stop fedposting the other crap the feds spammed on /b/ years back

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How can we make communism viable and successful?
    Tell me when unaccountable absolute power people who have the power to loot and plunder don't.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      how can you have fire that is wet?
      impossible things.

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >as you can see on paper it works
    >we just need to make enough mistakes and it's going to work one day
    >also welath is the product of technology not allocation of resources
    Trust the plan, we just need 2 more weeks.

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    the first and foremost objective should be communizing india. sure communist did won in some indian states, but we need to get the entire india. only then -along with china- we can finally have the required world population to push our agenda in international forum like the UN.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >it is not an ideology, it's going to happen naturally
      >we need to...

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        yes. as much as i'd like the pure idealistic utopian path, we also need to recognize the required practicality of politics.

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >communism is a flawless ideology
    >how can we make it actually work?
    But unironically, state capitalism and dirigisme are where it's at if you want to improve living conditions for the general population

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Communism is flawless ideology and benefit for everyone
    Honey melons hang on bitter vines. Sweet dates grow on thistles and thorns. Nothing is perfect in the world.

  10. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why should we? Why is the pleb so hellbent on fake debates that were settled half a century ago? None of these systems exist now.

  11. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Planned economy would probably be quite viable today, using modern digital supply chain management combined with social media. It's not like the eastern block was completely out-competed. They did fairly well considering that all the powerful nations were in the western block and the best the east had was Russia, an european also-ran at best before the Soviet era.

  12. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    create an elaborate scheme where instead of the bourgeoise you call it the deep state, and instead of revolution you call it draining the swamp.

    "2 more weeks"
    q

  13. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    go suck a tranny dick

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      projecting

  14. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Communism is wrong. To make it perfect is to not have communism at all

  15. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Communism cannot work because it is logically absurd. You cannot make people richer by preventing them from trading with each other.

  16. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    one word, blockchain

  17. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    If communism was a "flawless ideology"; you wouldn't need to spend decades and thread trying to figure out how to "make it work"

  18. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    maybe this is going to surprise you, but more data =/= high quality data

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      brb telling businesses lean manufacturing is impossible..

  19. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can't.

  20. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Capitalism is an organic system which is ruthless and competitive and people have to step over each other to be successful, which naturally makes it dynamic and progressive. While communism is dependent on a few people making decisions for everyone which makes it naturally stagnant and flawed and the worst part about it is it depends on state control and tyranny and brutalizing people who threaten the system in any way. There is no way to make communism work except in a world where an elite has total control over the planet and forces everyone to obey. I hate to invoke Orwell, but really that's the only way to make communism work.

  21. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Retarded LULZ hivemind

  22. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Communism can not work ever because it relies on social systems which are inherently detrimental to the human psyche. Capitalism also does this but capitalism is at least a BDSM tier pain, whereas communism is just an acute suffering.

  23. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Communism is flawless ideology and benefit for everyone
    hahahaha

  24. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How can we make communism viable and successful?

    By making it sort of right-wing and conservative. "Communism", which, in practice, is simply a state-directed economy (ignore everything Western theorycels say), can work if you scrap the anti-civilizational crap and retain some level of private industry. Technocratic Confucian State Capitalism (AKA Communism with Chinese Characteristics) seems to be working quite well for the chinks.

  25. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    The true form of communism is not state taking everyone's rice and letting them starve, true communism is a small city or town collectively purchasing a trackhoe excavator, then hiring someone off that collective salary to do jobs for everyone for "free"

    The reason communism doesn't work is because communists don't even know what communism is, but it sure let's me virtue signal and stroke my ego!

  26. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >how can we make 2+2 = 5?

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