How can lgbt reconcile belief in god?

How can lgbt reconcile belief in god?

I know a lot of other ppl who aren't christian but still believe in the idea that there is a higher power, but they can't cultivate this basic spiritual need because of how hateful monotheist religions are

Should we start our own cult? Not sex related, maybe some sort of monotheist sect where lgbt people are fully welcome to visit and give offerings n stuff

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    can vouch for the uu church a little but they really aren't about god as much as they are about progressivism
    i think the right strat is just following christ and knowing that the passages in the bible about hating gay people or whatever don't really apply, or wholesale forgoing the bible as a defining document and knowing that God is a force of universal love and our religions are just ways to try to systematise or understand that force

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe jesus tried to tell us that the abrahamics were wrong and that god wasn't the vengeful monster that people thought he was?

      god is a cope
      if he's real, he probably hates you and shouldn't be worshiped

      But i can't believe the universe was made out of thin air. Yes i believe in the big bang, science, evolution, medicine, but it defies the laws of physics for something to be created out of nothing

      I've talked about this with my dad before, even if he is a full supporter of science and hates overly religious people, I see why he still believes in God

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        i agree wrt atheism and fedora materialism (daniel dennett is retarded and made me realise through his denial of consciousness that none of scientism explains anything)
        i do not agree that this entails any creator of the universe is good
        i believe that the creation of the universe was likely actually immensely evil from the perspective of humans and if you look around you you'll see this holds up all the time. even just looking at nature, you'll see how many parasites, how much starvation, disease, burning to death, being eaten slowly to death there is.

        it's possible a deity exists but it is flat out inhuman and evil

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >flat out inhuman and evil
          If the deity is evil it would've destroyed us by now, humanity has been shown time and time again to rise from extreme tragedy and turmoil, despite all the suffering that is mostly human-caused we've still moved forward, and i can't help but think it's because of some divine plan

          >it defies the laws of physics for something to be created out of nothing
          thus it must have been god
          and when we didn't understand where lightning came from, it must have been god
          and when we didn't understand where man and life came from, it was god
          and when we didn't understand where rain and floods came from, it was god
          Now we understand many things that we did not understand in the past, and god has grown considerably weaker as we fill the gaps in our knowledge. It would be foolish to continue to use god as an explanation for things we currently do not understand, based on this pattern. The fact that we do not understand the big bang today is no more proof of god than the fact that we did not understand lighting 3000 years ago. This is "god of the gaps", an idea that makes up nietzsche's death of god. Eventually the gaps will be filled, and there will be no need for a magical explanation of the universe.

          Most things in the universe can be explained by science but the creation of universe can't be explained by anything except God, that's what I'm saying. We even know how quantum mechanics work, at least on a rudimentary level, but scientists are no where close to understanding how the universe could even be born in the first place

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Most things in the universe can be explained by science but the creation of universe can't be explained by anything except God, that's what I'm saying
            most things in the world can be explained by science, but the sun and moon and the heavenly bodies, the great floods and earthquakes, and the conception of life can't be explained by anything except god
            t. you 2000 years ago

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Science didn't even exist thousands of years ago, there was only philosophy and metaphysics that was mostly just untested speculation and mental masturbation

              no the deity wouldn't because the deity enjoys human suffering lol that's my point. the entirety of nature is set up to maximise suffering
              humans dying isn't GOOD for a deity who sees us as a toy

              I honestly can't say that deities like humans suffering. Every major evil in this world has been destroyed after a certain amount of time. Mongols collapsed and became completely irrelevant. Nazi germany was completely neutralized. Stalin died drowning in his own vomit and shit, Lenin died of syphilis.

              There is always a bad end for the dictators and the hypocrites no matter what. They haven't won yet, and never have, most of human suffering is caused by our own free will and the things we choose to do to others

              Through copium. It’s not unqiue to lgbt people though. Actually being legitimately consistent with any religion’s teachings requires you to change much of your way of thought and sacrifice significant parts of your life. Most people just pick the parts they like and ignore anything difficult.
              >should we start our own cult
              sounds based tbh but how would you even start one?

              I want a religion that doesn't force you to make extreme lifestyle changes, most people have a need to worship or believe in some type of deity

              >sounds based tbh but how would you even start one?
              Obviously not by protesting or making billboards, you could start by making chatrooms and servers (pisscord, sadly) and stuff like that.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Also as a side note it could slowly move to organizing irl meetups, you could start housechurches like how ancient christians use to do, maybe crowdfound money to create an actual place of worship, and create incentives of people to become members,

                Like soup kitchens, recreational activities, you could build a little community from the ground up

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                yeah you need more than that tho, otherwise it’s just like…a community org? you need rituals, teachings, a sense of a supernatural order, spirits deity or deities for people to connect to. the closest ones to offering that to trannies are wiccans and neopagans but they are not too organized and have their own issues.

                Everyone here is a pseudointellectual

                thank u anon this thread was about trans people’s spiritual needs not reddit-tier “debate”

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >you need rituals, teachings, a sense of a supernatural order,
                Yes, I agree, I wouldn't want something like Wicca which is just a counterculture to Christianity and Abrahamism, we need something new and fresh that will cultivate spirituality and kindness among folk

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >just a counterculture
                yep christianity has convinced so many westerners that there’s no other way to do religion that the most they can think of is like, the nega-christianity of “satanism” or wiccanism. most don’t even try to understand other living religions like judaism, islam, buddhism, etc. to actually come up with a vibrant new religious idea in this age is not easy.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, that's what i mean

                But I would really not advise basing any new religion on previous abrahamic beliefs. Especially not islam. People should not fear their deity, they shouldn't fear going to hell, worship should make them happy, motivated, and more appreciative of life and other people.

                We should have a kind, creator deity, that loves its people, hates murder, tolerates all identities and sexualities, doesn't demand forced worship and accepts offerings and prayers warmly and selflessly

                Belief in spirits and other lesser entities would be good as well, I do believe they exist to some degree, and it would make the religion seem more interesting to people.

                I wouldn't want to make "demons" a major part of the folklore, as it would just make people paranoid and blame evil on the hands of external forces, when it's really just people's choices themselves

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >People should not fear their deity, they shouldn't fear going to hell
                This sure won't backfire spectacularly. You people are very sheltered and don't understand how people work.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nope. I think a good example of people not fearing their deity are those progressive unitarian churches and lgbt-friendly ones.

                People go to them because they like worshipping a deity that is kind and wants the best for them. Honestly those people are more spiritually endowed than any hardcore bible thumping pastor, who only worships for the fear of the retribution of his bad deeds and actions, his worship not motivating him to be a good person, no, but only motivating him to grovel and ask for empty "forgiveness."

                I'm a trans Christian

                There wasn't much to reconcile Biblically speaking. The closest thing to being trans at the time was being a Eunuch and the Ethiopian Eunuch was the first documented non-israeli convert to Christianity

                I've made my peace with God. I'm a pastor's kid and was at church 3-4 days per week (by choice). Being who I am has made me a better Christian. My struggles and prayers to just either be A. "Normal" or B. Wake up as a girl, have led me to empathize so much with the suffering of others

                There's a ton of accepting congregations out there. Just gotta find em

                Eunuchs are very different than trans people. When the bible mentions eunuchs it means people who were actually castrated for various involuntary reasons, like slavery or servitude.

                Anyways, i'm glad you've made peace with God, but i don't think YHWH is the true peace that you are looking for. Still, the homophobic verses are there in Romans & Leviticus, and you can't avoid them, and people will always recite them back to you when you try to justify your spirituality to them.

                Yes, there are LGBT accepting congregations, but in short, to me, it seems like some sort of "cope." No one should stay in a belief system that has always hated what they are, and they shouldn't feel the need to reform it. We shouldn't be bound by our trauma and try to make peace with it, we need to move forward.

                This is why i can't believe the abrahamic god is the Supreme Being, because his most devout followers have shown nothing but hate and contempt for the weak and marginalized.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                A good example of people not fearing God are criminals.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You may not even believe it, but even the biggest mafia members are devout Catholics and god-fearers. They are the ones who set up witch trials in Boston, burned protestants in France and the Netherlands, and genocided the natives.

                They are all deeply regretful of their actions, and believe the only way they can see forgiveness is by appeasing this hateful deity, and seek to run away from their actions.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Christianity is evil, this is well known. They believe God orders the murder and mutilation of babies, and that he must sacrifice his own son in order to forgive sinners. Of course such a demented schizo worldview is going to create mentally ill believers. Try a serious religion like islam.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Try a serious religion like islam.
                ah yes, the child rapist illiterate warlord religion
                much better

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >child rapist
                No.
                https://wikialislam.blogspot.com/2015/10/hazrat-ayesha-ra-age-at-time-of-marriage.html
                >illiterate
                No.
                http://www.quransmessage.com/articles/was%20the%20prophet%20muhammad%20really%20illiterate%20FM3.htm
                >warlord
                Yes and?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >le unbiased islamic wiki defends the pigfucker muhammad (pbuh)
                no big surprise
                most sources claim aisha was 9 or 10 at consummation, and married at 6 or 7. Including aisha's own recollection in the Sahih al-Bukhari.
                Again, most sources say the the pigfucker muhammad (pbuh) could not read and write, and had scribes do it for him. It's not really relevant, but claiming he wasn't is silly. This is commonly accepted in islam (a religion of illiterates who worship a child rapist warlord).

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >pigfucker
                You've demonstrated you have no intent of discussing honestly, and aren't worth further answers.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                honesty? I was honest in my first post about islam. You replied with dishonest sources, claiming lies about aisha's age. Muhammad was an illiterate child rapist warlord, and all you've done is cope about it.
                Islam is a barbaric ideology that has no place in developed society. It's not just incompatible with lgbt, but incompatible with basic fundamental concepts like human rights, universal suffrage, and personal freedoms.
                I have no respect for islam, it has produced nothing good in the world, it has created nothing of beauty. It is an oppressive, destructive, hateful, violent ideology, that proclaims the virtue of war and servitude, and the sin of music and dancing. I shit on the quran.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Try a serious religion like islam
                fucking lol, sure can’t find any examples of violence here! no sir!

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Eunuchs are very different than trans people. When the bible mentions eunuchs it means people who were actually castrated for various involuntary reasons, like slavery or servitude.

                Matthew 19 disagrees with you here. From Jesus Himself.

                "For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

                I live my life as being saved by Grace through faith. This grace is is unlimited and is accompanied by unconditional love from my Creator.

                If I'm wrong, and my interpretation of the "homophobic" scriptures in Romans are wrong, then well...

                I've sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Just like everyone else. I've done things in my life far worse than being a tranny and being married to another (cis) woman. I've hurt people. I've belittled them. And I've not done things I ought to have done.

                If I'm wrong, and being a tranny is a sin, well it's the least of my problems. Luckily God's infinite mercy and grace covers that too.

                Accepting congregations are no more a cope than any of the myriad of other theological differences that separate them, whether it's infant baptism, women in clergy, abstinence for clergy, or the concept of irresistible grace and predestination, someone will die on any of those hills. I choose Christ over all that.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Eunuchs are very different than trans people.
                Uhh except "eunuchs" were trans people of the past... and there are literally trans people here who are eunuchs.

                Another thing about eunuchs is that, historically speaking, they had LOTS of sex. It was okay for them to do it with guys/girls (and vice versa). Jesus was actually arguing IN FAVOR of the whole damn system. Too bad his statement comes after one of the most GARBAGE takes in the entire Bible.

                (Jesus has an absolutely shit take on divorce. Only Catholics try to abide by it).

                Oh and as for Jesus being a decent guy? He wasn't. People need to actually READ the gospels.
                "Whoever comes to me and does not hate mother and father, wife and children, brothers and sisters - yes and even their own life - cannot be my follower" (Luke 14:26).

                People need to stop treating Jesus like this loving, forgiving dude. He literally hated his own family, including his mother (it's all over the gospels ffs)

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Another thing about eunuchs is that, historically speaking, they had LOTS of sex. It was okay for them to do it with guys/girls (and vice versa)
                >Source: my ass

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                All things are possible through God

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >major evil has been destroyed
                not a single one and over time life has gotten worse for everyone
                both the left and the right pretty much agree that technology has absolutely fucked us. we are alienated tools for capital and even the "comfortable" (read: high suicide rate) living of those in the west is predicated on vast global torture and suffering of the third world

                we were better off no different than animals doing hunter gatherer stuff. the modern world lacks all meaning to it

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Life has never gotten worse, it's literally only gotten better. Even a person in 1700 lived better than someone in 1400, and today people in the western world live like kings. Many country's poor people are somehow fat as a result.

                Technology has made us more alienated from each other, but at a lot of benefits. We have more access to information, we can easily disprove misinformation and research for ourselves, we can teach ourselves new skills, would you really want to be a peasant farmer in 2000 bc who died at 30 because of a papercut infection?

                You're looking at the ancient world with rose-colored eyes, you think you have no meaning here, but you have endless possibilities, more than anyone in the ancient world could've achieved.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, a lot of that third world believes in God and sees these sufferings as a test and purification rite. How can you learn anything meaningful about others without suffering? God isn't cruel, but the only way to learn hard truths is through suffering, suffering that can be minimized. What good are we as ignorant automatons with fake smiles plastered on our faces instead of guilt ridden traumatized slaves of God? Forgiven by Him and healed by Him, as a child is patched up after a long day of playing, as that day fades away into a dream.
                Why did God create dissociation if He wanted us to suffer? He put flights of fancy and painkillers inside our bodies so we can withstand the torment of purification rite, of Creation, of Satan who is the God of this temporal world.

                Leviticus forbids anal sex.

                Sumata. Also doesn't it just forbid pedarestry, not homosexuality?

                honesty? I was honest in my first post about islam. You replied with dishonest sources, claiming lies about aisha's age. Muhammad was an illiterate child rapist warlord, and all you've done is cope about it.
                Islam is a barbaric ideology that has no place in developed society. It's not just incompatible with lgbt, but incompatible with basic fundamental concepts like human rights, universal suffrage, and personal freedoms.
                I have no respect for islam, it has produced nothing good in the world, it has created nothing of beauty. It is an oppressive, destructive, hateful, violent ideology, that proclaims the virtue of war and servitude, and the sin of music and dancing. I shit on the quran.

                Waria, fascist, orientalist liar.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Also doesn't it just forbid pedarestry, not homosexuality?
                No that's a post 2000 meme to pretend the ancient hebrews weren't homophobic.
                Which is interesting because when it comes to OT approved racism, sexism, child marriage, slavery, domestic abuse etc. everyone just sorta raises their shoulders and goes "eh, shitty people living in shitty times" but at the mention of these same racist, sexist, child marrying slave owning domestic abusers also having been potentially homophobic people get offended.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Kind of weird that the Hebrews ended up having a homosexuality restriction given the area they were in. The Mediterranean and near east were pretty laissez-faire about what kind of human you stuck your dick into. I've read that some hebrew social conventions such as this, the pork taboo, and hatred of dogs were purposeful attempts to distance themselves from their neighbors. I'm not sure what conditions would compel a culture to do that though.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, that’s understandable.

                Idc as much about the “how” in the sense of spreading it though. That’s super boring. I mean more the sense of creating the philosophy and myth behind the religion. How do you worship? What lessons does your faith teach? What stories can you tell through it that can affect people’s lives and inspire them in a positive way? idk stuff like that

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            no the deity wouldn't because the deity enjoys human suffering lol that's my point. the entirety of nature is set up to maximise suffering
            humans dying isn't GOOD for a deity who sees us as a toy

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >it defies the laws of physics for something to be created out of nothing
        thus it must have been god
        and when we didn't understand where lightning came from, it must have been god
        and when we didn't understand where man and life came from, it was god
        and when we didn't understand where rain and floods came from, it was god
        Now we understand many things that we did not understand in the past, and god has grown considerably weaker as we fill the gaps in our knowledge. It would be foolish to continue to use god as an explanation for things we currently do not understand, based on this pattern. The fact that we do not understand the big bang today is no more proof of god than the fact that we did not understand lighting 3000 years ago. This is "god of the gaps", an idea that makes up nietzsche's death of god. Eventually the gaps will be filled, and there will be no need for a magical explanation of the universe.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          if you're really interested into looking into why science fundamentally cannot explain anything (and neither can religion) i would advise looking into pyrrhonism, the hard problem of consciousness, the problem of scientific induction and underdetermination and the self-refuting nature of materialism

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You won't convince them. They're too delusion to see reason. Don't waste your time

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            "see reason"
            i would say the same thing about you thinking consciousness can be explained by atoms bashing together
            unless you are a p-zombie, you should realise some things can be explained by essentially nothing. this isn't a defence of religion, it's a critique of scientism and naive materialist philosophy

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              You type like a bot trained on pol

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >it defies the laws of physics for something to be created out of nothing
        That's just a meme statement any scientist worth his salt ignores because it is unfalsifiable. There's no "nothing" to perform such tests on.
        Secondly, God is conveniently exempt from "muh nothing comes from nothing" and conveniently needs no creator.
        >muh uncaused cause
        Is a complete nonsense argument because first it is based on the logical leap that since every effect must have a cause there must be an absolute beginning; this is a conclusion that can only be reached when we explicitly add the premise that infinite regress cannot be (which itself is unfounded).
        Secondly you gotta demonstrate that uncaused causes actually exist by showing one. But if you can show one exists, if causes can just pop into existence, then clearly so can the universe since it's not exempt.
        >muh uncaused cause must be singular and unique
        Even Aristotle knew this to be false, and that the choice for only one uncaused cause is for aesthetic reasons only. And we now know that the universe can be very unaesthetic.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No

    t. Anti-theist

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    god is a cope
    if he's real, he probably hates you and shouldn't be worshiped

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Religious people don't deserve rights

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    just do witchcraft, its fun and it scratches that spiritual itch

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    From God's perspective transsexuals have an easy life because their task is more simple transition live a good life and be grateful

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Through copium. It’s not unqiue to lgbt people though. Actually being legitimately consistent with any religion’s teachings requires you to change much of your way of thought and sacrifice significant parts of your life. Most people just pick the parts they like and ignore anything difficult.
    >should we start our own cult
    sounds based tbh but how would you even start one?

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone here is a pseudointellectual

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >noooo stop talking about things unless you completely understand them
      shut up nerd lol

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        No it's just that you all pretend to have some deep understanding of the "truth" and it comes across very cringe

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Leviticus forbids anal sex.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's not the word of God that's the word of the Hebrew the real God of God's loves homosexuals because homosexuals love God the real God of the true one loves heterosexuals when they love God

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You play with shit and call it sex. You ravage another man's anus and call it love. Stop pretending to be gay. You're a bonobo. Actual gay men like me would never do anal sex to a boyfriend.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm t4cis and that's allowed in Christianity

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a trans Christian

    There wasn't much to reconcile Biblically speaking. The closest thing to being trans at the time was being a Eunuch and the Ethiopian Eunuch was the first documented non-israeli convert to Christianity

    I've made my peace with God. I'm a pastor's kid and was at church 3-4 days per week (by choice). Being who I am has made me a better Christian. My struggles and prayers to just either be A. "Normal" or B. Wake up as a girl, have led me to empathize so much with the suffering of others

    There's a ton of accepting congregations out there. Just gotta find em

  12. 2 months ago
    Radiochan

    If the Bible and Christianity doesn't work, don't bother trying to reconcile it.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I fucking refuse to reconcile with religion. Religion has fucked up my life... and the lives of most LGBT people. People don't need religion anymore. Leave it in the past.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You reconcile it by realizing that dysphoria is the result of various intersex conditions that result fetal exposure to estrogen and thus brain development identical to that of a normative cis female, thus making dysphoric trans women intersex women and dysphoric trans men intersex men. You can learn more by joining my server Estradiocese, which you can find on disboard by searching trans Christian. The more recently bumped one is the one you want. You can also add me at punishedgwynie#7128

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Knew you'd be here 😉

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    theism is fun when you learn about how faiths other than the one you grew up with work. jesus is one way there, but there are more than just him

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    just be a witch, a pagan or a satanist. most of them dont care if youre trans

  17. 2 months ago
    )*Kassandra of Ellaphae|PSO2

    i don't recognize any normie god, only my goddess )*

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You are still a schizo and/or LARPer.

    • 2 months ago
      BPDemon

      She is a beautiful goddess indeed.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder how colonized christian people reconcile their religion as well. Are they grateful that their people were conquered so that they could be forced into salvation? That's a very weird subby headspace to live your life in. "Thank you Oppressors for saving my filthy savage soul" type shit

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      we all got colonized by these cross worshipping rats if we go back far enough

  19. 2 months ago
    BPDemon

    >How can lgbt reconcile belief in god?
    By rejecting blind faith in the doctrines of men and developing their own understanding of God.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i know someone who just convinced herself she was god, 7/10 cope

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