Please, I hate the way guys treat me. I want to be tough, I want to be respected for how tough I am. I want to be the person other people rely on because everyone thinks I'm strong enough to help them.
Guys don't respect girls for how tough they are. In fact, the type of men you probably want respect from will see whatever you do to feel more "masculine" as performative and pathetic.
This path always leads to the tit chop, I went to an elite uni and there were some girls that definitely bothered by being treated like "girls." Now I look them up on FB or linkedin and they go by male names and have mutilated their once perfect bodies.
You're teetering on the edge, I unironically suggest that if you can't stop having delusions of masculinity that you find a painless suicide method. Last thing we need is more non-reproductive trooners running around.
How strong are you? Unfortunately most guys will never change their ways you'll need to become an independant agent like lara croft and only hang with your truies
Not caring so much about what others think is what real strength is about.
You can be all of that and still be a girl. Also, thoughness is manifested in different ways, some masculine, some feminine. It is not exlusive to being a man. A mother caring for her little kids while her husband is at war is a perfect, "cliche" example of that. Nobody sane would deny that she is tough or reliable. Anyone sane would genuinely respect her. Femininity is not lesser to masculinity, they are two sides of the same coin.
Lara Croft is a male sexual fantasy, including her personality.
There are no women in real life as bad-ass as fictional women. None. It's disappointing but it's the truth.
Even if you passed (you never will), you'll still look and act like an insecure manlet that NOBODY respects. Even in this thread, you come off like a neurotic woman. People respect calmness and mental fortitude. Here's a real life example;
There was a guy at the McDonald's drivethru in front of us who got out of his car to yell inside of the window that someone forgot his nuggets. A thin young woman approached to ask him what was wrong. Guy continues yelling and making a scene. She holds out her hand for the bag, and then closes the window on him with the coldest look. Straight-faced, never rose her voice, just looked at him sternly. Then when she calmly opened the window again the guy, very softly, asked for his nuggets. Every guy in the car commented on how cool she acted under pressure and respected her. THAT'S how you get men to respect you. Don't give a fuck and stay chill.
You're all just boiling it down to how I can't make it if I try and how I'm better off being a tough woman, but none of that helps me. I'm 5'2" and guys treat me like I'm helpless without them and I hate it I just want people to respect that I can handle shit myself without needing some big strong man to swoop in and save me and if I have to become a man myself to make that happen I can
also just so you know if a a tall fat guy came to you, you will be helpless even if you were passing or whatever and the majority of men and women as well
I don't know what went wrong in your childhood but you just need to accept reality at some point you know
why is something wrong with me or my history for me to feel this way? Maybe this is just how I'm meant to be.
Women can be this too. There’s nothing stopping you if that’s your way of living authentically. Just pointing out that our gendered stuff is really idiotic still like yeah you might just be trans but do it because you can’t honestly say you resonate with being a woman in your body or something not because you have flawed ideas of what men and women both can be
>There’s nothing stopping you if that’s your way of living authentically
I just want to change how people treat me.
>I'm 5'2" and guys treat me like I'm helpless without them
Proof you didn't read a thing that I wrote. First of all, SHORT MEN GET SHIT ON BY EVERY ONE. So I have no idea why you have this delusion that if you transformed today into a 5'2" babyfaced bulldyke that anyone on planet earth will see you as a man and respect you.
Second of all, you're autistic as fuck. The guys helping you probably just want to help because you are a neurotic mess and they can sense something is wrong with you. Why not open your big mouth and communicate with them? Men can't read your mind, retard. Just tell them, "no thanks, I want to do this on my own." make sure not to cry when you're crushed under a pile of boxes btw.
>Just tell them, "no thanks, I want to do this on my own."
I tell them but they usually finish intervening before I get all the words out and they normally have a kind of smug look about helping me.
>I hate the way guys treat me.
How do they treat you?
They treat me like I'm retarded or something. They don't listen when I speak, they make decisions involving me witgout consulting me on what they think "is best"
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
And you think that'll change if you're a manlet? Men don't respect each other just because you present as a man, there is a whole lifetime of "the pecking order" to go through. Instead of being a retard, learn how to be assertive. Tell your HR department that you're being discriminated against. Change jobs. There's a million things you can do, dumbass.
>I'm 5'2" and guys treat me like I'm helpless without them
Proof you didn't read a thing that I wrote. First of all, SHORT MEN GET SHIT ON BY EVERY ONE. So I have no idea why you have this delusion that if you transformed today into a 5'2" babyfaced bulldyke that anyone on planet earth will see you as a man and respect you.
Second of all, you're autistic as fuck. The guys helping you probably just want to help because you are a neurotic mess and they can sense something is wrong with you. Why not open your big mouth and communicate with them? Men can't read your mind, retard. Just tell them, "no thanks, I want to do this on my own." make sure not to cry when you're crushed under a pile of boxes btw.
The thing is, no one can change his or her sex, it is unachievable. You are better off working with what you have. For some time, I myself have experienced deep insecurities with being a guy, I had thoughts about how it must feel, to be a girl. I think it stemmed from me being a very unmanly boy and guy, and the treatment I got because of that. My situation was probably a male version of what you are going through. But, I am starting to accept who I am. Everyone has to, at some point. So, instead of trying to change how guys perceive you, how about you shift your reaction to their opinions?
Plenty of people change them. Maybe not to your criteria but plenty of people born one way are living another.
1 month ago
Anonymous
They are not.
They are delusional, thier delusions cannot stand reality, and thier delusions have massive system backing, which will eventualy evaporate.
Half-baked cosmetic surgery will not fix your confidence or mental stability.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Sorry, but sadly, or maybe not, it isn't according to my criteria, but objective reality. But you're right, plenty of people live another lives, though it's not the life they actually desire, tragically, most of them don't even realize that, until it's too late... So please, try finding another way of dealing with these issues, the one you're considering will be permanent, you won't be able to reverse it's consequenses.
And you think that'll change if you're a manlet? Men don't respect each other just because you present as a man, there is a whole lifetime of "the pecking order" to go through. Instead of being a retard, learn how to be assertive. Tell your HR department that you're being discriminated against. Change jobs. There's a million things you can do, dumbass.
I work at a small business. There isn't really an HR dept to report anything to
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LOL oh my god, dude. Let me just say one thing, you're not tough, you're not intimidating or anything like that. You're a little girl, a little girl that wants desperately to be seen as a strong man. Get out of that fantasy, as soon as possible. You'll never be a "big strong man", sweetie. It's about time you accept it. Maybe you can exercise some independence, but get used to being seen as lesser. I mean, you literally are lesser. You're fucking 5'2", sis. You'll never be a big man. Transition and it'll be the worst decision you'll have ever made. >picrel: left is what you want to be, right is what you'll end up being
Accept it. You'll never be a respectable man, you're just a little girl. Maybe you'll be a deluded little girl on hormones, at best. This is your life. No one gets to choose how shit like this turns out; it's predestined. You were born a girl, and you're short. Never forget it.
fuck you
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4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>ok so whats my alternative?
you don't have one. im a tranny and I can tell you with absolute certainty, sometimes you're just fucked. I'm 6'1 and don't pass in the slightest, so I won't even try and socially transition. I've been on hrt for over 1 years and I'm doing well enough. you made the mistake of socially transitioning without hrt (there's no way you're on it if you don't pass as an ftm) and as a manlet. sorry. dress like a man, go on hrt, wait it out and then you can expect people to take you seriously.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Damn such strong words for such a little girl. Who's an angry kitten? Who's a dangerous little lion huh? Yes you are babygirl *taps your cute little blushing nose*
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Women aren't the only ones who have the problem of people not respecting them
Grown ass men are often telling each other how to do things, the only way to get around it is to build a reputation for competence. There is no silver bullet to solve your problems, there is only practice and slow progress
Your problem isn't other people, your problem is having a sensitive ego that takes offence to everything, kek
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I work at a small business. There isn't really an HR dept to report anything to
Then learn to be assertive or change jobs. Like I said before, you're not being respected because people can tell that you're mentally ill and neurotic. No one can take you seriously like that. And despite what the trannies in here say, if you're stupid enough to transition people will only "respect" you so that they don't lose their jobs. REAL respect comes from your personality and the way you carry yourself. You're being an idiot.
If you're a burger then learn the way of the gun
The great equaliser, you start talking about you daily carry and you are immediately 10 times less patronised for being a woman. Also guns fun and cool
I hope you're either baiting or not listening to what most people here are saying right now.
You and all other women can be tough, strong, and so on in all ways that matter. It will take a while, though.
You have to become a competent professional in whatever you want to do, yes, even female-dominated professions like nurses matter. Then you will carry yourself with more confidence and learn to act like a tough, respectable person.
This has nothing to do with being a guy: in fact, most guys are not respected in any way, especially in their youth. You would be just as disrespected, if not more so, if you were a guy. >I'm short!
No one cares if you're a woman because no one is thinking about beating you up. Many school teachers are the tiniest creatures, but still, everyone respects a teacher who respects herself.
How strong are you? Unfortunately most guys will never change their ways you'll need to become an independant agent like lara croft and only hang with your truies
Lara Croft is a male sexual fantasy, including her personality.
There are no women in real life as bad-ass as fictional women. None. It's disappointing but it's the truth.
You can be all of that and still be a girl. Also, thoughness is manifested in different ways, some masculine, some feminine. It is not exlusive to being a man. A mother caring for her little kids while her husband is at war is a perfect, "cliche" example of that. Nobody sane would deny that she is tough or reliable. Anyone sane would genuinely respect her. Femininity is not lesser to masculinity, they are two sides of the same coin.
Even if you passed (you never will), you'll still look and act like an insecure manlet that NOBODY respects. Even in this thread, you come off like a neurotic woman. People respect calmness and mental fortitude. Here's a real life example;
There was a guy at the McDonald's drivethru in front of us who got out of his car to yell inside of the window that someone forgot his nuggets. A thin young woman approached to ask him what was wrong. Guy continues yelling and making a scene. She holds out her hand for the bag, and then closes the window on him with the coldest look. Straight-faced, never rose her voice, just looked at him sternly. Then when she calmly opened the window again the guy, very softly, asked for his nuggets. Every guy in the car commented on how cool she acted under pressure and respected her. THAT'S how you get men to respect you. Don't give a fuck and stay chill.
Women can be this too. There’s nothing stopping you if that’s your way of living authentically. Just pointing out that our gendered stuff is really idiotic still like yeah you might just be trans but do it because you can’t honestly say you resonate with being a woman in your body or something not because you have flawed ideas of what men and women both can be
>How can I make people see me as a man and not a girl?
Responsibility, accountability, competence.
I.e. you acknowledge what isn't working, you acknowledge your role in it, you put in the work to get that shit in order.
Here is the problem. You need a brain that sees reality, instead of a brain that only sees muh feelings.
>I want to be the person other people rely on because everyone thinks I'm strong enough to help them.
Yeah that's manly. So just go judge people's problems and put in work to fix the ones that are fixable - in exchange for them acknowledging your morals and strength, of course.
>Responsibility, accountability, competence.
not if you work with asians, there's no convincing those fuckers, don't waste your time on indians or muslims or any of them, stick with working and hanging around westerners people from the east follow a completely alien social contract and no amount of competence or honorable behavior will get them to respect you
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You're all just boiling it down to how I can't make it if I try and how I'm better off being a tough woman, but none of that helps me. I'm 5'2" and guys treat me like I'm helpless without them and I hate it I just want people to respect that I can handle shit myself without needing some big strong man to swoop in and save me and if I have to become a man myself to make that happen I can
LOL oh my god, dude. Let me just say one thing, you're not tough, you're not intimidating or anything like that. You're a little girl, a little girl that wants desperately to be seen as a strong man. Get out of that fantasy, as soon as possible. You'll never be a "big strong man", sweetie. It's about time you accept it. Maybe you can exercise some independence, but get used to being seen as lesser. I mean, you literally are lesser. You're fucking 5'2", sis. You'll never be a big man. Transition and it'll be the worst decision you'll have ever made. >picrel: left is what you want to be, right is what you'll end up being
Accept it. You'll never be a respectable man, you're just a little girl. Maybe you'll be a deluded little girl on hormones, at best. This is your life. No one gets to choose how shit like this turns out; it's predestined. You were born a girl, and you're short. Never forget it.
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OP you'll just transition from an eternal bridesmaid to eternal incel. This will lower your self esteem and make your life even more miserable than it already is.
Being a man gets you none of this. Not automatically. I'm a man and nobody has ever just assumed I'm so strong I could help them. The only exceptions are silly situations like women needing me to open a pickle jar. You have a fairy tale view of what being a man is like
Then take testosterone or GFTO, if you really wanted what you claim to want you would already be living your best male life instead of bitching and moaning here
damn its like reading the thoughts of a powerlifter girl that comes to my gym.
you need to understand that some people are just prejudiced, especially the older population, but this is their problem, not yours, and you shouldn't live this as an affront to your person directly.
think of it this way, if you're desperately trying to convince everyone that you're strong then you're not really strong.
men (and women) are respected because they're competent, skilled, intelligent, charismatic, self confident etc.
i'll even say, being strong sometimes also means being vulnerable, because you're not afraid of showing a side of you that you think is a negative, this applies to many things, work/personal relations/emotions/self deprecating humor (occasionally) and so on.
when you talk about "being strong" what i imagine your idea of strength is is someone like andrew tate, a completely fictional and bombastic persona that needs to flaunt his money and always be the loudest voice in the room to be respected, but it's the kind of trick that only works on low IQ gullible people.
>You are mentally unwell and you definitely need therapy.
I'm already in therapy but my therapist never listens to me, she just nods along and then tells me I should let down my walls and accept help from others when I keep telling her I want to be independent
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no but I thought it might make me tougher.
[...] >Anon, don't be too proud to accept their help. You sound like you're in denial.
I just want people to stop acting like I'm helpless without them, I don't need someone to drive me to/from work. I don't need my coworkers to do all my work for me, I can do it myself. I don't need to have someone being my protector in every waking moment. I just want to be a normal person.
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How do the shots work? I know enough to know that you take T as a shot but not like how to give myself the shot once I get some
>I'm already in therapy but my therapist never listens to me, she just nods along and then tells me I should let down my walls and accept help from others when I keep telling her I want to be independent
viviana is that you?
i will ask you this, have you ever tried even just for a brief period of time to listen to what your therapist said?
>will ask you this, have you ever tried even just for a brief period of time to listen to what your therapist said?
I have. I felt like everyone was laughing at me on the inside when I did, and I got really bitter for a long time from feeling like the world's laughingstock.
>. I don't feel comfortable handing off my autonomy like that. I could only consider being like a housewife if I was somehow independently wealthy enough to maintain an equal power in the relationship.
you realize YOU get to choose the man you submit to right? you can choose a kind generous loving man who will protect and provide for you. A man who isnt some cruel tyrant.
relationships shouldnt be some kind of power struggle for domination. why do you think they are?
and why do you think a woman is so weak in a relationship. you women have far more power over men than you imagine
>relationships shouldnt be some kind of power struggle for domination. why do you think they are?
maybe they don't start that way, but I saw how it went for my mom and dad, and my dad had us both miserable. When my mom left him and took me with her, he broke into our new place and messed with our stuff to make us scared someone would hurt us so that we'd move back in with him.
get testosterone from an informed consent clinic, cut your hair, grow your eyebrows out, dress like a man, you got this
thanks, that sounds easy! I was looking up a bunch of stuff that made it sound like I had to get my therapist to write up an approval first, being able to skip all that is a game changer.
I hope you're either baiting or not listening to what most people here are saying right now.
You and all other women can be tough, strong, and so on in all ways that matter. It will take a while, though.
You have to become a competent professional in whatever you want to do, yes, even female-dominated professions like nurses matter. Then you will carry yourself with more confidence and learn to act like a tough, respectable person.
This has nothing to do with being a guy: in fact, most guys are not respected in any way, especially in their youth. You would be just as disrespected, if not more so, if you were a guy. >I'm short!
No one cares if you're a woman because no one is thinking about beating you up. Many school teachers are the tiniest creatures, but still, everyone respects a teacher who respects herself.
>No one cares if you're a woman because no one is thinking about beating you up.
You are so wrong. Guys always seem to think no one will hurt women and forget they're the ones hurting us 9/10 times. My dad, my uncle, and my ex bf all hit me and I just don't need more of that.
>I feel like testosterone must make guys tougher
if that's the only reason you want to go on it you're doing it for the wrong reasons
it will grow your muscles sure, you'll get hungrier than you ever have before in your life (speaking as someone who's done multiple multi-day fasts before starting T), your clit will grow in the first week, it will hurt, and you will be horny and unable to jack off because it hurts. Your voice will deepen, it'll be harder to talk cute to your cats if you value that, you will lose your singing voice if you had one and aren't going slow and keeping practice. Medicine that was once predictable to you before will change in effect. Your head will get dumb for a while, your sleep schedule will change to be less convenient, and you will be horny. all. the. time. And even when you can finally orgasm, you will still be horny after and not able to release again for at least an hour, and it will get raw down there so help me god. So you exercise to blow off steam but your muscles grow faster than your tendons and ligaments could keep up so you get shin splints and your plantar fasciitis gets worse because you're dumb now and forgot to stretch. you will HAVE to stretch, I don't care how flexible you were before. You will grow hair everywhere, I don't care if you think you already got hair there you will grow more of it
now, I fucking love all of this for me, is this what you want? Also you will always be a tranny there after, be ready for that
Do you feel like you can protect yourself with the muscle you got?
>Do you feel like you can protect yourself with the muscle you got?
nothing protects against a crazed individual with a gun, a truck, or friends, and just starting out it's not going to be enough for a fair 1 on 1, it's not a solution to that. You're better off practicing Brazilian jujitsu or Silat if you want to kill someone
>maybe they don't start that way, but I saw how it went for my mom and dad, and my dad had us both miserable. When my mom left him and took me with her, he broke into our new place and messed with our stuff to make us scared someone would hurt us so that we'd move back in with him.
You probably have PTSD and maybe even BPD considering you're paranoid delusions that people are secretly laughing at you. Testosterone is going to give you fucking cancer and in exchange you STILL wouldn't be able fight off a cis man. Instead of ruining your body and life, you need to find a psychologist or even a psychiatrist and work on your traumas. You're letting your fear of men control you.
>My dad, my uncle, and my ex bf all hit me and I just don't need more of that.
They almost certainly didn't hit you because you're a woman. They hit you because they're violent troglodytes, and if you put one hundredth the effort into understanding their behavior as you do to reliving your trauma, you'd realize that those kinds of men are even more violent towards other men. Particularly weak manlets who act like mentally ill freaks, i.e. what you'd be signing up for if you chop your breasts off and take testosterone to become a hairy 5'2" cuntboy out of a deluded quest for respect.
You are uncomfortable with who and what you are. You pretend like changing yourself will change your discomfort. But it won't fix anything. You're just externalizing your trauma and hoping that self-mutilation will make it go away.
>thanks, that sounds easy! I was looking up a bunch of stuff that made it sound like I had to get my therapist to write up an approval first, being able to skip all that is a game changer.
look, I'm all for encouraging people to do shit for the lulz, but really think about it within yourself, you have to really need this and have a long term plan and self awareness as to why you are doing it. it is expensive, there are blood tests every 3 months, you are putting yourself through puberty again if you have any emotional regulation problems they're going to be turned up 10 times, and like I said you will never be the same again after, and even at a "low" dose once your voice changes you might never pass as Cis again for the rest of your life. The zeitgeist isn't good for trannies lately and the future looks even more bleak. If men take you for a trans woman you WILL become a target of harassment. Men will also pick up on the vibe if you don't exude a masculine nature, if you come off as effeminate, that will be noticed and reacted to, you may not predict how people will react
OP, this is going to sound frustrating, but I'd like to consider an unexpected task that might be revealing. The people who treat you like this, what if you could see through their eyes? what is their point of view? what do they struggle with? how do they interact with others. Really observe them, don't focus on yourself when doing this. Just as an experiment
>maybe they don't start that way, but I saw how it went for my mom and dad, and my dad had us both miserable. When my mom left him and took me with her, he broke into our new place and messed with our stuff to make us scared someone would hurt us so that we'd move back in with him.
you need to read the book (free pdf online) "why does he do that"
https://ia600108.us.archive.org/30/items/LundyWhyDoesHeDoThat/Lundy_Why-does-he-do-that.pdf
dont go on T and dont get into witchcraft. Both are false hopes.they are empty promises.
its like, imagine you were lost at sea on a life raft, floating in the ocean. you run out of clean water. you end up so thirsty that you want to drink sea water (salt water) but that will only kill you faster.
testosterone and witch is like drinking sea water
you are looking for an easy answer to life. but there are no easy answers to life. but your life will get better if you make good choices.
I would recommend trying to find a good church with kind loving people. they will help you
you can't automatically be tough without experiencing male loneliness, and it will destroy you, so just enjoy what you have and don't try to become something you're not.
Why the fuck would you post this to LULZ? You already know the type of replies your gonna get.
Get your head out of your ass and see your own fucking self as a man, nobody gives a shit, nothing is real and neither are the people who look at you every day, the only real thing in the world is you.
Take some acid, kill your ego, stop posting retard shit on LULZ, beat your shrimp dick to big boobies and find a better place to hang out as a trans dude.
I get the feeling you think men on LULZ will help because we are "real men"
Listen, I actually care about people here. Take or leave this advice, but you need to think really really hard and analyze these thoughts about why you're feeling this way. It could be shit from your past, it could be some perception you have about one thing or another, or any number of other things. People dont take the time to actually do this very often, actually physically write it out. That's all I'll say about it. If you want things to change in the interm, you need to get a little quicker on the draw and try your damnedest to be more stern in your speech, or else leave, it seems.
I have panic attacks and some bad asthma, and I'm tired of just being treated super delicate by the people in my life. I feel like testosterone must make guys tougher and maybe I'll be tougher on it and people will stop acting like I need somebody looking out for me in everything I do.
If you're a burger then learn the way of the gun
The great equaliser, you start talking about you daily carry and you are immediately 10 times less patronised for being a woman. Also guns fun and cool
I'm not legally allowed to own a firearm, but I am in the US.
I'm a guy. Growing up I was totally ignored. My parents would go to work for hours leaving me home alone. They didn't have money to have someone watch me. As I got older I was always lonely and nobody ever tried to help. Nobody ever pulled me aside and asked how I was doing or tried to understand what I was going through. I know being treated delicately sucks. But the opposite sucks too. People just assuming you're alright isn't any better than when people think you're delicate. I don't know what trauma you're going through. But people are being too considerate to you? this ain't it...
>But people are being too considerate to you? this ain't it...
they aren't consoderate because they don't even listen to me they just project how they think I'm supposed to be and everything that doesn't match up is trauma they think I need to be therapied and drugged for.
You sound like a cute tomboy. What's your discord
become a tomboy
I'm not a tomboy, I just don't like a ton of girly stuff and I prefer guy stuff and I think of myself more like a guy most of the time. In my dreams I'm a man.
Are you a transman OP, or are you a girl who wants to be more masculine? Its ok to be either, I'm just confused as to what you want.
I don't want to change anything but the way people treat me really, and changing how I look/act feels like a way to change how they perceive and treat me.
>not legally allowed to own an gun
What did you do, dummy
Also can still get a muzzle loading black powder revolver, which are quite fun as well
I've been committed because people thought I was trying to kill myself when I ran away from home a few times.
>You are mentally unwell and you definitely need therapy.
I'm already in therapy but my therapist never listens to me, she just nods along and then tells me I should let down my walls and accept help from others when I keep telling her I want to be independent
Marry me.
why did you post this
Have you ever heard in the history of medicine of someone being treated for panic attacks with testosterone?
If you transition for such a feckless reason, you're more likely to swing from one extreme of "everyone treats me delicately" to the other where "everyone ignores me"
>Have you ever heard in the history of medicine of someone being treated for panic attacks with testosterone?
no but I thought it might make me tougher.
>everything that doesn't match up is trauma they think I need to be therapied and drugged for.
Here's a thought, maybe to some extent they're correct and they're trying to help you. Anon, don't be too proud to accept their help. You sound like you're in denial.
Anon, psychiatry and its drugs are important tools. And they're less extreme than hormone treatments. You can take an ssri or mood stabilizer and then quit. Hormones run the risk of being necessary for the entire lifetime, and hormones can have massive side effects
Anon I'm a broken toy. Im a guy, and I was ignored for my entire childhood. I lost years of my life being too proud or stupid to get help..... accept the help that's being offered.
>Anon, don't be too proud to accept their help. You sound like you're in denial.
I just want people to stop acting like I'm helpless without them, I don't need someone to drive me to/from work. I don't need my coworkers to do all my work for me, I can do it myself. I don't need to have someone being my protector in every waking moment. I just want to be a normal person.
take testosterone, very simple
How do the shots work? I know enough to know that you take T as a shot but not like how to give myself the shot once I get some
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'm already in therapy but my therapist never listens to me, she just nods along and then tells me I should let down my walls and accept help from others when I keep telling her I want to be independent
Find another one? For someone who wants to be independent so badly, YOU ACT like you're very helpless. You complain about people trying to help you when you don't want it but you won't get up and do things. You don't fight when people help you anyway. AND you're stupid on top of it for thinking that testosterone is going to make you tough, as though soibois and weak men don't exist. People are treating you as you deserve.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Find another one? For someone who wants to be independent so badly, YOU ACT like you're very helpless.
She is the only therapist in my area that accepts my insurance. I don't feel like therapy will help me, anyway.
Sounds like you need to be tougher.
If you can't, then you can't.
Don't be a failure I guess.
Then take testosterone or GFTO, if you really wanted what you claim to want you would already be living your best male life instead of bitching and moaning here
you're both right, I guess I need to show more initiative. I'm going to figure out how to get T today, and try to get my first dose by this time next week if thats at all possible.
Join the military
I don't believe in violence, so I don't want to join the war corporation
Have you considered just accepting your place as a woman and being the best housewife you can be?
There's no shame in that.
You might be happier and more fulfilled than spending your life fighting your natural biology in an uphill struggle that will have its foot on your neck until the day you die.
>Have you considered just accepting your place as a woman and being the best housewife you can be?
wtf is this misogyny? women aren't made to be housewives
>I have panic...
Okay but why?
I just have panic attacks sometimes. I had a rough time growing up and got hit a lot. I feel a lot of pressure to never make a mistake and any time I feel like I've messed up a little it sets in on me.
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Some of the strongest and most respectable people are women in my life. My mother and grandmothers for example. Sure they don't have the physical strength of the average man but that's not the only kind of strength that exists. Emotional strength and dependability matter as well. Just aim to be dignified and competent woman. Look for role models that exude actual feminine strength, not the lame Marvel tier masculinizing bullshit that devalues actual women.
>you're both right, I guess I need to show more initiative. I'm going to figure out how to get T today
Oh nvm you're trolling.
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>Oh nvm you're trolling.
No, I just feel like I'm at the end of my rope. All the women I respect most still seem to get some amount of the treatment I resent. The only people I see who sidestep it entirely are men, and that's why I feel like its my only course.
i feel like submitting and getting dicked down by a strong handsome man would fix all your problems.
despite what globohomo would have you believe submitting to a man isnt bad and men dont look down on you for it. quite the opposite actually. we hold girl goods in very high esteem
>i feel like submitting and getting dicked down by a strong handsome man would fix all your problems. >despite what globohomo would have you believe submitting to a man isnt bad and men dont look down on you for it. quite the opposite actually. we hold girl goods in very high esteem
this feels like you have pervy intent but I'll bite. I don't feel comfortable handing off my autonomy like that. I could only consider being like a housewife if I was somehow independently wealthy enough to maintain an equal power in the relationship.
>I'm going to figure out how to get T today
please dont destroy your life
Its this or the witchcraft stuff my wiccan friend keeps trying to push on me, and I don't feel comfortable with witchcraft stuff.
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>No, I just feel like I'm at the end of my rope. All the women I respect most still seem to get some amount of the treatment I resent. The only people I see who sidestep it entirely are men, and that's why I feel like its my only course.
It's all in your head but sure. Can't wait until you're another statistic.
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>. I don't feel comfortable handing off my autonomy like that. I could only consider being like a housewife if I was somehow independently wealthy enough to maintain an equal power in the relationship.
you realize YOU get to choose the man you submit to right? you can choose a kind generous loving man who will protect and provide for you. A man who isnt some cruel tyrant.
relationships shouldnt be some kind of power struggle for domination. why do you think they are?
and why do you think a woman is so weak in a relationship. you women have far more power over men than you imagine
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i feel like submitting and getting dicked down by a strong handsome man would fix all your problems.
despite what globohomo would have you believe submitting to a man isnt bad and men dont look down on you for it. quite the opposite actually. we hold girl goods in very high esteem
4 weeks ago
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>I'm going to figure out how to get T today
please dont destroy your life
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Have you considered just accepting your place as a woman and being the best housewife you can be?
There's no shame in that.
You might be happier and more fulfilled than spending your life fighting your natural biology in an uphill struggle that will have its foot on your neck until the day you die.
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>How do the shots work? I know enough to know that you take T as a shot but not like how to give myself the shot once I get some
you see this is why no one respects you. You're asking to be spoon fed when there are literal volumes of information about this on the internet. You can go down the trans path, or you can look into steroid body building forums, either way you'll find lots of answers but you must search for them yourself and take responsibility for the decisions you make
>everything that doesn't match up is trauma they think I need to be therapied and drugged for.
Here's a thought, maybe to some extent they're correct and they're trying to help you. Anon, don't be too proud to accept their help. You sound like you're in denial.
Anon, psychiatry and its drugs are important tools. And they're less extreme than hormone treatments. You can take an ssri or mood stabilizer and then quit. Hormones run the risk of being necessary for the entire lifetime, and hormones can have massive side effects
Anon I'm a broken toy. Im a guy, and I was ignored for my entire childhood. I lost years of my life being too proud or stupid to get help..... accept the help that's being offered.
>I have panic attacks >I feel like testosterone must make guys tougher and maybe I'll be tougher on it
PLEASE be a larp holy shit. Get therapy right now if you're serious, you're a delusional mess. People are being nice to you and you're such an insecure narcissist that you think their kindness is some kind of mockery.
Have you ever heard in the history of medicine of someone being treated for panic attacks with testosterone?
If you transition for such a feckless reason, you're more likely to swing from one extreme of "everyone treats me delicately" to the other where "everyone ignores me"
>I feel like testosterone must make guys tougher
if that's the only reason you want to go on it you're doing it for the wrong reasons
it will grow your muscles sure, you'll get hungrier than you ever have before in your life (speaking as someone who's done multiple multi-day fasts before starting T), your clit will grow in the first week, it will hurt, and you will be horny and unable to jack off because it hurts. Your voice will deepen, it'll be harder to talk cute to your cats if you value that, you will lose your singing voice if you had one and aren't going slow and keeping practice. Medicine that was once predictable to you before will change in effect. Your head will get dumb for a while, your sleep schedule will change to be less convenient, and you will be horny. all. the. time. And even when you can finally orgasm, you will still be horny after and not able to release again for at least an hour, and it will get raw down there so help me god. So you exercise to blow off steam but your muscles grow faster than your tendons and ligaments could keep up so you get shin splints and your plantar fasciitis gets worse because you're dumb now and forgot to stretch. you will HAVE to stretch, I don't care how flexible you were before. You will grow hair everywhere, I don't care if you think you already got hair there you will grow more of it
now, I fucking love all of this for me, is this what you want? Also you will always be a tranny there after, be ready for that
>You know who's not asking how to be a tough man on the internet? >Naturally born tough men.
lol oh what a fantasy! as if this weren't 25% of the internet, red pill MGTOW black pill PUA fitness forums the lot of it
All made men were born first as men, and none of those made men were so cowardly that they couldn't make peace with their own body.
The rest are (wo)manlet laughinstocks on chemicals that would crumple with a backhand by even the most average of men.
yea, but that doesnt disprove what i said.
you don't become a "good" man by parroting what some idiot on the internet tells you blindly, you have to learn how to grow and change if you feel like there's something that's not working.
you could be the physically strongest person in the room and still be a turboautistic insecure person on the inside, i can absolutely guarantee you this 100% because i've known PLENTY of people like that.
in the end change comes from the realization that something inside you isn't right and you have to evolve.
>will ask you this, have you ever tried even just for a brief period of time to listen to what your therapist said?
I have. I felt like everyone was laughing at me on the inside when I did, and I got really bitter for a long time from feeling like the world's laughingstock.
[...] >relationships shouldnt be some kind of power struggle for domination. why do you think they are?
maybe they don't start that way, but I saw how it went for my mom and dad, and my dad had us both miserable. When my mom left him and took me with her, he broke into our new place and messed with our stuff to make us scared someone would hurt us so that we'd move back in with him.
[...]
thanks, that sounds easy! I was looking up a bunch of stuff that made it sound like I had to get my therapist to write up an approval first, being able to skip all that is a game changer.
[...] >No one cares if you're a woman because no one is thinking about beating you up.
You are so wrong. Guys always seem to think no one will hurt women and forget they're the ones hurting us 9/10 times. My dad, my uncle, and my ex bf all hit me and I just don't need more of that.
[...]
Do you feel like you can protect yourself with the muscle you got?
>I have. I felt like everyone was laughing at me on the inside when I did, and I got really bitter for a long time from feeling like the world's laughingstock.
unless you can read people's minds there's no way for you to tell, you're stuck in a negative space inside your head and read everything through that.
>You are so wrong. Guys always seem to think no one will hurt women and forget they're the ones hurting us 9/10 times. My dad, my uncle, and my ex bf all hit me and I just don't need more of that.
well this explains a few things, im sorry you had to go through that but not all men are scum like that.
you'll have to learn to be vulnerable again if you want to find peace, which doesn't mean accepting people who dont treat you well, but rather expressing how you feel/learn to be sociable/relateable and if someone can't accept that just move on.
you don't HAVE to get everyone to like you, just get to know others better.
right now what you want to do is the exact opposite, build an even bigger wall around yourself trying to be stronger or even worse coping with steroids, you'll only find your body ruined and still be miserable.
She isn't going to attain male musculature or bone structure, she'll just be an ugly woman with hormone imbalances that will still end up aging like a grandma.
I was half joking. I don't think she'll do it anyway, sounds like she's in a shit situation though and this isn't exactly the best place to get any real help
Girl why would you want to be a moid? Read the insulting replies, is imitating that behaviour what you want?
Get away from any males that bother you, loneliness is better than having to deal with impulsive primates that kill themselves or others if they can't get laid
It helps me to write poetry about the cruelty of life and remembering it will be over one day
the only absolutely valid, blissful and beneficial reason to have people see you as a man, is on the internet. Imitate the hell out of that species!
That, i swear, protects you, even if it means you cannot reach out the way you are, simultaneously. Fat chance, somethings got to give!
So go ahead and protect yourself, make us believe your anonymous post is 100% that of a man, unless its vital to the psychological advice, that you are a woman.
In those cases, you should actively mention that you are a woman and give a glimpse of what that means to you.
Precisely because you are a woman and have different sensiblities, needs, wants and vulnerabilites.
Just dont mention you are a girlie when you ask about the biomechanics of the lumbar spine.
I guess almost literally everyone thinks transitioning isn't right for me and I only want it as a last resort so maybe I shouldn't. Are feelings as strong about the witchy stuff my wiccan friend was offering? She said there are some crystals that could help me.
The power of belief is very strong, OP. I personally think adopting a more stoic outlook on life would help you out a lot. What other people think about you is wholly irrelevant, and if the result of their actions is to your benefit, take it for what it is. Their smugness does not matter, their motivation does not matter insofar as it won't reasonably lead to anything obviously malicious. You don't need to prove yourself to anyone, you know you can accomplish whatever it is you endeavor to do in your own.
Just be a girl. Don’t worry you won’t become your overbearing/abusive mother
Please, I hate the way guys treat me. I want to be tough, I want to be respected for how tough I am. I want to be the person other people rely on because everyone thinks I'm strong enough to help them.
Guys don't respect girls for how tough they are. In fact, the type of men you probably want respect from will see whatever you do to feel more "masculine" as performative and pathetic.
This path always leads to the tit chop, I went to an elite uni and there were some girls that definitely bothered by being treated like "girls." Now I look them up on FB or linkedin and they go by male names and have mutilated their once perfect bodies.
You're teetering on the edge, I unironically suggest that if you can't stop having delusions of masculinity that you find a painless suicide method. Last thing we need is more non-reproductive trooners running around.
You're all just boiling it down to how I can't make it if I try and how I'm better off being a tough woman, but none of that helps me. I'm 5'2" and guys treat me like I'm helpless without them and I hate it I just want people to respect that I can handle shit myself without needing some big strong man to swoop in and save me and if I have to become a man myself to make that happen I can
girl I hope you are a minor because if you are not you sound so fucking dumb,
I mean I wouldn't be surprised if you are an adult in America
also just so you know if a a tall fat guy came to you, you will be helpless even if you were passing or whatever and the majority of men and women as well
I don't know what went wrong in your childhood but you just need to accept reality at some point you know
grow the fuck up
why is something wrong with me or my history for me to feel this way? Maybe this is just how I'm meant to be.
>There’s nothing stopping you if that’s your way of living authentically
I just want to change how people treat me.
>Just tell them, "no thanks, I want to do this on my own."
I tell them but they usually finish intervening before I get all the words out and they normally have a kind of smug look about helping me.
They treat me like I'm retarded or something. They don't listen when I speak, they make decisions involving me witgout consulting me on what they think "is best"
And you think that'll change if you're a manlet? Men don't respect each other just because you present as a man, there is a whole lifetime of "the pecking order" to go through. Instead of being a retard, learn how to be assertive. Tell your HR department that you're being discriminated against. Change jobs. There's a million things you can do, dumbass.
>I'm 5'2" and guys treat me like I'm helpless without them
Proof you didn't read a thing that I wrote. First of all, SHORT MEN GET SHIT ON BY EVERY ONE. So I have no idea why you have this delusion that if you transformed today into a 5'2" babyfaced bulldyke that anyone on planet earth will see you as a man and respect you.
Second of all, you're autistic as fuck. The guys helping you probably just want to help because you are a neurotic mess and they can sense something is wrong with you. Why not open your big mouth and communicate with them? Men can't read your mind, retard. Just tell them, "no thanks, I want to do this on my own." make sure not to cry when you're crushed under a pile of boxes btw.
The thing is, no one can change his or her sex, it is unachievable. You are better off working with what you have. For some time, I myself have experienced deep insecurities with being a guy, I had thoughts about how it must feel, to be a girl. I think it stemmed from me being a very unmanly boy and guy, and the treatment I got because of that. My situation was probably a male version of what you are going through. But, I am starting to accept who I am. Everyone has to, at some point. So, instead of trying to change how guys perceive you, how about you shift your reaction to their opinions?
Plenty of people change them. Maybe not to your criteria but plenty of people born one way are living another.
They are not.
They are delusional, thier delusions cannot stand reality, and thier delusions have massive system backing, which will eventualy evaporate.
Half-baked cosmetic surgery will not fix your confidence or mental stability.
Sorry, but sadly, or maybe not, it isn't according to my criteria, but objective reality. But you're right, plenty of people live another lives, though it's not the life they actually desire, tragically, most of them don't even realize that, until it's too late... So please, try finding another way of dealing with these issues, the one you're considering will be permanent, you won't be able to reverse it's consequenses.
guys are going to respect you even less as a feminine manlet
thats just how it is
ok so whats my alternative?
I work at a small business. There isn't really an HR dept to report anything to
fuck you
fuck you
fuck you
fuck you
>ok so whats my alternative?
you don't have one. im a tranny and I can tell you with absolute certainty, sometimes you're just fucked. I'm 6'1 and don't pass in the slightest, so I won't even try and socially transition. I've been on hrt for over 1 years and I'm doing well enough. you made the mistake of socially transitioning without hrt (there's no way you're on it if you don't pass as an ftm) and as a manlet. sorry. dress like a man, go on hrt, wait it out and then you can expect people to take you seriously.
Damn such strong words for such a little girl. Who's an angry kitten? Who's a dangerous little lion huh? Yes you are babygirl *taps your cute little blushing nose*
Women aren't the only ones who have the problem of people not respecting them
Grown ass men are often telling each other how to do things, the only way to get around it is to build a reputation for competence. There is no silver bullet to solve your problems, there is only practice and slow progress
Your problem isn't other people, your problem is having a sensitive ego that takes offence to everything, kek
>I work at a small business. There isn't really an HR dept to report anything to
Then learn to be assertive or change jobs. Like I said before, you're not being respected because people can tell that you're mentally ill and neurotic. No one can take you seriously like that. And despite what the trannies in here say, if you're stupid enough to transition people will only "respect" you so that they don't lose their jobs. REAL respect comes from your personality and the way you carry yourself. You're being an idiot.
cry about it, retard
>5'2
No shit
5'2 guys are treated even worse lol
> I'm 5'2"
I'm 6'4". Want me to teach you how to be tough IRL in my room?
my bf says the same shit to me and its not funny when he says it either.
If you're a burger then learn the way of the gun
The great equaliser, you start talking about you daily carry and you are immediately 10 times less patronised for being a woman. Also guns fun and cool
I hope you're either baiting or not listening to what most people here are saying right now.
You and all other women can be tough, strong, and so on in all ways that matter. It will take a while, though.
You have to become a competent professional in whatever you want to do, yes, even female-dominated professions like nurses matter. Then you will carry yourself with more confidence and learn to act like a tough, respectable person.
This has nothing to do with being a guy: in fact, most guys are not respected in any way, especially in their youth. You would be just as disrespected, if not more so, if you were a guy.
>I'm short!
No one cares if you're a woman because no one is thinking about beating you up. Many school teachers are the tiniest creatures, but still, everyone respects a teacher who respects herself.
How strong are you? Unfortunately most guys will never change their ways you'll need to become an independant agent like lara croft and only hang with your truies
Lara Croft is a male sexual fantasy, including her personality.
There are no women in real life as bad-ass as fictional women. None. It's disappointing but it's the truth.
Join the military
Thats a place for the most crazy of women and not in a positive way.
Not any crazier than civvie females, and they're the only women who are truly more masculine than average
Not caring so much about what others think is what real strength is about.
You can be all of that and still be a girl. Also, thoughness is manifested in different ways, some masculine, some feminine. It is not exlusive to being a man. A mother caring for her little kids while her husband is at war is a perfect, "cliche" example of that. Nobody sane would deny that she is tough or reliable. Anyone sane would genuinely respect her. Femininity is not lesser to masculinity, they are two sides of the same coin.
Even if you passed (you never will), you'll still look and act like an insecure manlet that NOBODY respects. Even in this thread, you come off like a neurotic woman. People respect calmness and mental fortitude. Here's a real life example;
There was a guy at the McDonald's drivethru in front of us who got out of his car to yell inside of the window that someone forgot his nuggets. A thin young woman approached to ask him what was wrong. Guy continues yelling and making a scene. She holds out her hand for the bag, and then closes the window on him with the coldest look. Straight-faced, never rose her voice, just looked at him sternly. Then when she calmly opened the window again the guy, very softly, asked for his nuggets. Every guy in the car commented on how cool she acted under pressure and respected her. THAT'S how you get men to respect you. Don't give a fuck and stay chill.
Women can be this too. There’s nothing stopping you if that’s your way of living authentically. Just pointing out that our gendered stuff is really idiotic still like yeah you might just be trans but do it because you can’t honestly say you resonate with being a woman in your body or something not because you have flawed ideas of what men and women both can be
>I hate the way guys treat me.
How do they treat you?
>How can I make people see me as a man and not a girl?
Responsibility, accountability, competence.
I.e. you acknowledge what isn't working, you acknowledge your role in it, you put in the work to get that shit in order.
Here is the problem. You need a brain that sees reality, instead of a brain that only sees muh feelings.
>I want to be the person other people rely on because everyone thinks I'm strong enough to help them.
Yeah that's manly. So just go judge people's problems and put in work to fix the ones that are fixable - in exchange for them acknowledging your morals and strength, of course.
>Responsibility, accountability, competence.
not if you work with asians, there's no convincing those fuckers, don't waste your time on indians or muslims or any of them, stick with working and hanging around westerners people from the east follow a completely alien social contract and no amount of competence or honorable behavior will get them to respect you
LOL oh my god, dude. Let me just say one thing, you're not tough, you're not intimidating or anything like that. You're a little girl, a little girl that wants desperately to be seen as a strong man. Get out of that fantasy, as soon as possible. You'll never be a "big strong man", sweetie. It's about time you accept it. Maybe you can exercise some independence, but get used to being seen as lesser. I mean, you literally are lesser. You're fucking 5'2", sis. You'll never be a big man. Transition and it'll be the worst decision you'll have ever made.
>picrel: left is what you want to be, right is what you'll end up being
Accept it. You'll never be a respectable man, you're just a little girl. Maybe you'll be a deluded little girl on hormones, at best. This is your life. No one gets to choose how shit like this turns out; it's predestined. You were born a girl, and you're short. Never forget it.
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OP you'll just transition from an eternal bridesmaid to eternal incel. This will lower your self esteem and make your life even more miserable than it already is.
Being a man gets you none of this. Not automatically. I'm a man and nobody has ever just assumed I'm so strong I could help them. The only exceptions are silly situations like women needing me to open a pickle jar. You have a fairy tale view of what being a man is like
You sound like a cute tomboy. What's your discord
Sounds like you need to be tougher.
If you can't, then you can't.
Don't be a failure I guess.
Then take testosterone or GFTO, if you really wanted what you claim to want you would already be living your best male life instead of bitching and moaning here
damn its like reading the thoughts of a powerlifter girl that comes to my gym.
you need to understand that some people are just prejudiced, especially the older population, but this is their problem, not yours, and you shouldn't live this as an affront to your person directly.
think of it this way, if you're desperately trying to convince everyone that you're strong then you're not really strong.
men (and women) are respected because they're competent, skilled, intelligent, charismatic, self confident etc.
i'll even say, being strong sometimes also means being vulnerable, because you're not afraid of showing a side of you that you think is a negative, this applies to many things, work/personal relations/emotions/self deprecating humor (occasionally) and so on.
when you talk about "being strong" what i imagine your idea of strength is is someone like andrew tate, a completely fictional and bombastic persona that needs to flaunt his money and always be the loudest voice in the room to be respected, but it's the kind of trick that only works on low IQ gullible people.
>I'm already in therapy but my therapist never listens to me, she just nods along and then tells me I should let down my walls and accept help from others when I keep telling her I want to be independent
viviana is that you?
i will ask you this, have you ever tried even just for a brief period of time to listen to what your therapist said?
>will ask you this, have you ever tried even just for a brief period of time to listen to what your therapist said?
I have. I felt like everyone was laughing at me on the inside when I did, and I got really bitter for a long time from feeling like the world's laughingstock.
>relationships shouldnt be some kind of power struggle for domination. why do you think they are?
maybe they don't start that way, but I saw how it went for my mom and dad, and my dad had us both miserable. When my mom left him and took me with her, he broke into our new place and messed with our stuff to make us scared someone would hurt us so that we'd move back in with him.
thanks, that sounds easy! I was looking up a bunch of stuff that made it sound like I had to get my therapist to write up an approval first, being able to skip all that is a game changer.
>No one cares if you're a woman because no one is thinking about beating you up.
You are so wrong. Guys always seem to think no one will hurt women and forget they're the ones hurting us 9/10 times. My dad, my uncle, and my ex bf all hit me and I just don't need more of that.
Do you feel like you can protect yourself with the muscle you got?
>Do you feel like you can protect yourself with the muscle you got?
nothing protects against a crazed individual with a gun, a truck, or friends, and just starting out it's not going to be enough for a fair 1 on 1, it's not a solution to that. You're better off practicing Brazilian jujitsu or Silat if you want to kill someone
>maybe they don't start that way, but I saw how it went for my mom and dad, and my dad had us both miserable. When my mom left him and took me with her, he broke into our new place and messed with our stuff to make us scared someone would hurt us so that we'd move back in with him.
You probably have PTSD and maybe even BPD considering you're paranoid delusions that people are secretly laughing at you. Testosterone is going to give you fucking cancer and in exchange you STILL wouldn't be able fight off a cis man. Instead of ruining your body and life, you need to find a psychologist or even a psychiatrist and work on your traumas. You're letting your fear of men control you.
>My dad, my uncle, and my ex bf all hit me and I just don't need more of that.
They almost certainly didn't hit you because you're a woman. They hit you because they're violent troglodytes, and if you put one hundredth the effort into understanding their behavior as you do to reliving your trauma, you'd realize that those kinds of men are even more violent towards other men. Particularly weak manlets who act like mentally ill freaks, i.e. what you'd be signing up for if you chop your breasts off and take testosterone to become a hairy 5'2" cuntboy out of a deluded quest for respect.
You are uncomfortable with who and what you are. You pretend like changing yourself will change your discomfort. But it won't fix anything. You're just externalizing your trauma and hoping that self-mutilation will make it go away.
>thanks, that sounds easy! I was looking up a bunch of stuff that made it sound like I had to get my therapist to write up an approval first, being able to skip all that is a game changer.
look, I'm all for encouraging people to do shit for the lulz, but really think about it within yourself, you have to really need this and have a long term plan and self awareness as to why you are doing it. it is expensive, there are blood tests every 3 months, you are putting yourself through puberty again if you have any emotional regulation problems they're going to be turned up 10 times, and like I said you will never be the same again after, and even at a "low" dose once your voice changes you might never pass as Cis again for the rest of your life. The zeitgeist isn't good for trannies lately and the future looks even more bleak. If men take you for a trans woman you WILL become a target of harassment. Men will also pick up on the vibe if you don't exude a masculine nature, if you come off as effeminate, that will be noticed and reacted to, you may not predict how people will react
OP, this is going to sound frustrating, but I'd like to consider an unexpected task that might be revealing. The people who treat you like this, what if you could see through their eyes? what is their point of view? what do they struggle with? how do they interact with others. Really observe them, don't focus on yourself when doing this. Just as an experiment
>maybe they don't start that way, but I saw how it went for my mom and dad, and my dad had us both miserable. When my mom left him and took me with her, he broke into our new place and messed with our stuff to make us scared someone would hurt us so that we'd move back in with him.
you need to read the book (free pdf online) "why does he do that"
https://ia600108.us.archive.org/30/items/LundyWhyDoesHeDoThat/Lundy_Why-does-he-do-that.pdf
dont go on T and dont get into witchcraft. Both are false hopes.they are empty promises.
its like, imagine you were lost at sea on a life raft, floating in the ocean. you run out of clean water. you end up so thirsty that you want to drink sea water (salt water) but that will only kill you faster.
testosterone and witch is like drinking sea water
you are looking for an easy answer to life. but there are no easy answers to life. but your life will get better if you make good choices.
I would recommend trying to find a good church with kind loving people. they will help you
Even on T you'll be weaker than the average guy. That alone isn't going to protect you. Just get pepper spray or a large dog
you can't automatically be tough without experiencing male loneliness, and it will destroy you, so just enjoy what you have and don't try to become something you're not.
grow a pair
You're mentally ill.
is that trick question ?
lift
and dress like a man, not a highschooler
Why the fuck would you post this to LULZ? You already know the type of replies your gonna get.
Get your head out of your ass and see your own fucking self as a man, nobody gives a shit, nothing is real and neither are the people who look at you every day, the only real thing in the world is you.
Take some acid, kill your ego, stop posting retard shit on LULZ, beat your shrimp dick to big boobies and find a better place to hang out as a trans dude.
I get the feeling you think men on LULZ will help because we are "real men"
We are not.
Go away.
Hey I'm totally real. Probably.
OH NOOOOOOoooooooOOOOooooOOOooo
you are you jackass
>the only real thing in the world is you
>so kill your ego, too
I hate leftists
It's okay just be a girl
Listen, I actually care about people here. Take or leave this advice, but you need to think really really hard and analyze these thoughts about why you're feeling this way. It could be shit from your past, it could be some perception you have about one thing or another, or any number of other things. People dont take the time to actually do this very often, actually physically write it out. That's all I'll say about it. If you want things to change in the interm, you need to get a little quicker on the draw and try your damnedest to be more stern in your speech, or else leave, it seems.
I have panic attacks and some bad asthma, and I'm tired of just being treated super delicate by the people in my life. I feel like testosterone must make guys tougher and maybe I'll be tougher on it and people will stop acting like I need somebody looking out for me in everything I do.
I'm not legally allowed to own a firearm, but I am in the US.
I'm a guy. Growing up I was totally ignored. My parents would go to work for hours leaving me home alone. They didn't have money to have someone watch me. As I got older I was always lonely and nobody ever tried to help. Nobody ever pulled me aside and asked how I was doing or tried to understand what I was going through. I know being treated delicately sucks. But the opposite sucks too. People just assuming you're alright isn't any better than when people think you're delicate. I don't know what trauma you're going through. But people are being too considerate to you? this ain't it...
>But people are being too considerate to you? this ain't it...
they aren't consoderate because they don't even listen to me they just project how they think I'm supposed to be and everything that doesn't match up is trauma they think I need to be therapied and drugged for.
I'm not a tomboy, I just don't like a ton of girly stuff and I prefer guy stuff and I think of myself more like a guy most of the time. In my dreams I'm a man.
I don't want to change anything but the way people treat me really, and changing how I look/act feels like a way to change how they perceive and treat me.
I've been committed because people thought I was trying to kill myself when I ran away from home a few times.
You are mentally unwell and you definitely need therapy. If you transition I promise you will kill yourself. Norah Vincent. Look her up right now.
>You are mentally unwell and you definitely need therapy.
I'm already in therapy but my therapist never listens to me, she just nods along and then tells me I should let down my walls and accept help from others when I keep telling her I want to be independent
why did you post this
>Have you ever heard in the history of medicine of someone being treated for panic attacks with testosterone?
no but I thought it might make me tougher.
>Anon, don't be too proud to accept their help. You sound like you're in denial.
I just want people to stop acting like I'm helpless without them, I don't need someone to drive me to/from work. I don't need my coworkers to do all my work for me, I can do it myself. I don't need to have someone being my protector in every waking moment. I just want to be a normal person.
How do the shots work? I know enough to know that you take T as a shot but not like how to give myself the shot once I get some
>I'm already in therapy but my therapist never listens to me, she just nods along and then tells me I should let down my walls and accept help from others when I keep telling her I want to be independent
Find another one? For someone who wants to be independent so badly, YOU ACT like you're very helpless. You complain about people trying to help you when you don't want it but you won't get up and do things. You don't fight when people help you anyway. AND you're stupid on top of it for thinking that testosterone is going to make you tough, as though soibois and weak men don't exist. People are treating you as you deserve.
>Find another one? For someone who wants to be independent so badly, YOU ACT like you're very helpless.
She is the only therapist in my area that accepts my insurance. I don't feel like therapy will help me, anyway.
you're both right, I guess I need to show more initiative. I'm going to figure out how to get T today, and try to get my first dose by this time next week if thats at all possible.
I don't believe in violence, so I don't want to join the war corporation
>Have you considered just accepting your place as a woman and being the best housewife you can be?
wtf is this misogyny? women aren't made to be housewives
I just have panic attacks sometimes. I had a rough time growing up and got hit a lot. I feel a lot of pressure to never make a mistake and any time I feel like I've messed up a little it sets in on me.
Some of the strongest and most respectable people are women in my life. My mother and grandmothers for example. Sure they don't have the physical strength of the average man but that's not the only kind of strength that exists. Emotional strength and dependability matter as well. Just aim to be dignified and competent woman. Look for role models that exude actual feminine strength, not the lame Marvel tier masculinizing bullshit that devalues actual women.
>you're both right, I guess I need to show more initiative. I'm going to figure out how to get T today
Oh nvm you're trolling.
>Oh nvm you're trolling.
No, I just feel like I'm at the end of my rope. All the women I respect most still seem to get some amount of the treatment I resent. The only people I see who sidestep it entirely are men, and that's why I feel like its my only course.
>i feel like submitting and getting dicked down by a strong handsome man would fix all your problems.
>despite what globohomo would have you believe submitting to a man isnt bad and men dont look down on you for it. quite the opposite actually. we hold girl goods in very high esteem
this feels like you have pervy intent but I'll bite. I don't feel comfortable handing off my autonomy like that. I could only consider being like a housewife if I was somehow independently wealthy enough to maintain an equal power in the relationship.
Its this or the witchcraft stuff my wiccan friend keeps trying to push on me, and I don't feel comfortable with witchcraft stuff.
>No, I just feel like I'm at the end of my rope. All the women I respect most still seem to get some amount of the treatment I resent. The only people I see who sidestep it entirely are men, and that's why I feel like its my only course.
It's all in your head but sure. Can't wait until you're another statistic.
>. I don't feel comfortable handing off my autonomy like that. I could only consider being like a housewife if I was somehow independently wealthy enough to maintain an equal power in the relationship.
you realize YOU get to choose the man you submit to right? you can choose a kind generous loving man who will protect and provide for you. A man who isnt some cruel tyrant.
relationships shouldnt be some kind of power struggle for domination. why do you think they are?
and why do you think a woman is so weak in a relationship. you women have far more power over men than you imagine
i feel like submitting and getting dicked down by a strong handsome man would fix all your problems.
despite what globohomo would have you believe submitting to a man isnt bad and men dont look down on you for it. quite the opposite actually. we hold girl goods in very high esteem
>I'm going to figure out how to get T today
please dont destroy your life
Have you considered just accepting your place as a woman and being the best housewife you can be?
There's no shame in that.
You might be happier and more fulfilled than spending your life fighting your natural biology in an uphill struggle that will have its foot on your neck until the day you die.
>How do the shots work? I know enough to know that you take T as a shot but not like how to give myself the shot once I get some
you see this is why no one respects you. You're asking to be spoon fed when there are literal volumes of information about this on the internet. You can go down the trans path, or you can look into steroid body building forums, either way you'll find lots of answers but you must search for them yourself and take responsibility for the decisions you make
Marry me.
>everything that doesn't match up is trauma they think I need to be therapied and drugged for.
Here's a thought, maybe to some extent they're correct and they're trying to help you. Anon, don't be too proud to accept their help. You sound like you're in denial.
Anon, psychiatry and its drugs are important tools. And they're less extreme than hormone treatments. You can take an ssri or mood stabilizer and then quit. Hormones run the risk of being necessary for the entire lifetime, and hormones can have massive side effects
Anon I'm a broken toy. Im a guy, and I was ignored for my entire childhood. I lost years of my life being too proud or stupid to get help..... accept the help that's being offered.
>not legally allowed to own an gun
What did you do, dummy
Also can still get a muzzle loading black powder revolver, which are quite fun as well
>I have panic attacks
>I feel like testosterone must make guys tougher and maybe I'll be tougher on it
PLEASE be a larp holy shit. Get therapy right now if you're serious, you're a delusional mess. People are being nice to you and you're such an insecure narcissist that you think their kindness is some kind of mockery.
Have you ever heard in the history of medicine of someone being treated for panic attacks with testosterone?
If you transition for such a feckless reason, you're more likely to swing from one extreme of "everyone treats me delicately" to the other where "everyone ignores me"
>I have panic...
Okay but why?
>I feel like testosterone must make guys tougher
if that's the only reason you want to go on it you're doing it for the wrong reasons
it will grow your muscles sure, you'll get hungrier than you ever have before in your life (speaking as someone who's done multiple multi-day fasts before starting T), your clit will grow in the first week, it will hurt, and you will be horny and unable to jack off because it hurts. Your voice will deepen, it'll be harder to talk cute to your cats if you value that, you will lose your singing voice if you had one and aren't going slow and keeping practice. Medicine that was once predictable to you before will change in effect. Your head will get dumb for a while, your sleep schedule will change to be less convenient, and you will be horny. all. the. time. And even when you can finally orgasm, you will still be horny after and not able to release again for at least an hour, and it will get raw down there so help me god. So you exercise to blow off steam but your muscles grow faster than your tendons and ligaments could keep up so you get shin splints and your plantar fasciitis gets worse because you're dumb now and forgot to stretch. you will HAVE to stretch, I don't care how flexible you were before. You will grow hair everywhere, I don't care if you think you already got hair there you will grow more of it
now, I fucking love all of this for me, is this what you want? Also you will always be a tranny there after, be ready for that
Are you a transman OP, or are you a girl who wants to be more masculine? Its ok to be either, I'm just confused as to what you want.
become a tomboy
take testosterone, very simple
Fuck off, troon
how many more times are you going to make this thread op?
You know who's not asking how to be a tough man on the internet?
Naturally born tough men.
Get a clue.
>You know who's not asking how to be a tough man on the internet?
>Naturally born tough men.
lol oh what a fantasy! as if this weren't 25% of the internet, red pill MGTOW black pill PUA fitness forums the lot of it
they're not saying insecure men don't exist, but rather that "tough" men dont watch that stuff
men are made not born
All made men were born first as men, and none of those made men were so cowardly that they couldn't make peace with their own body.
The rest are (wo)manlet laughinstocks on chemicals that would crumple with a backhand by even the most average of men.
yeah you're a buff baby you can toot like a man
yea, but that doesnt disprove what i said.
you don't become a "good" man by parroting what some idiot on the internet tells you blindly, you have to learn how to grow and change if you feel like there's something that's not working.
you could be the physically strongest person in the room and still be a turboautistic insecure person on the inside, i can absolutely guarantee you this 100% because i've known PLENTY of people like that.
in the end change comes from the realization that something inside you isn't right and you have to evolve.
>I have. I felt like everyone was laughing at me on the inside when I did, and I got really bitter for a long time from feeling like the world's laughingstock.
unless you can read people's minds there's no way for you to tell, you're stuck in a negative space inside your head and read everything through that.
>You are so wrong. Guys always seem to think no one will hurt women and forget they're the ones hurting us 9/10 times. My dad, my uncle, and my ex bf all hit me and I just don't need more of that.
well this explains a few things, im sorry you had to go through that but not all men are scum like that.
you'll have to learn to be vulnerable again if you want to find peace, which doesn't mean accepting people who dont treat you well, but rather expressing how you feel/learn to be sociable/relateable and if someone can't accept that just move on.
you don't HAVE to get everyone to like you, just get to know others better.
right now what you want to do is the exact opposite, build an even bigger wall around yourself trying to be stronger or even worse coping with steroids, you'll only find your body ruined and still be miserable.
get testosterone from an informed consent clinic, cut your hair, grow your eyebrows out, dress like a man, you got this
She isn't going to attain male musculature or bone structure, she'll just be an ugly woman with hormone imbalances that will still end up aging like a grandma.
I was half joking. I don't think she'll do it anyway, sounds like she's in a shit situation though and this isn't exactly the best place to get any real help
well, anyway OP when you detrans and you're still unhappy don't blame the tranny cult, blame LULZ
Girl why would you want to be a moid? Read the insulting replies, is imitating that behaviour what you want?
Get away from any males that bother you, loneliness is better than having to deal with impulsive primates that kill themselves or others if they can't get laid
It helps me to write poetry about the cruelty of life and remembering it will be over one day
the only absolutely valid, blissful and beneficial reason to have people see you as a man, is on the internet. Imitate the hell out of that species!
That, i swear, protects you, even if it means you cannot reach out the way you are, simultaneously. Fat chance, somethings got to give!
So go ahead and protect yourself, make us believe your anonymous post is 100% that of a man, unless its vital to the psychological advice, that you are a woman.
In those cases, you should actively mention that you are a woman and give a glimpse of what that means to you.
Precisely because you are a woman and have different sensiblities, needs, wants and vulnerabilites.
Just dont mention you are a girlie when you ask about the biomechanics of the lumbar spine.
I guess almost literally everyone thinks transitioning isn't right for me and I only want it as a last resort so maybe I shouldn't. Are feelings as strong about the witchy stuff my wiccan friend was offering? She said there are some crystals that could help me.
The power of belief is very strong, OP. I personally think adopting a more stoic outlook on life would help you out a lot. What other people think about you is wholly irrelevant, and if the result of their actions is to your benefit, take it for what it is. Their smugness does not matter, their motivation does not matter insofar as it won't reasonably lead to anything obviously malicious. You don't need to prove yourself to anyone, you know you can accomplish whatever it is you endeavor to do in your own.
Better luck in your next incarnation.
drug them
You will never be a man.