When I believed in love I thought there were women that didnt have casual sex and that getting a gf like that I would be happy
But as the years passed and I realized pratically 0 women didnt have casual sex at least once, I said fuck it and had casual sex too
Now my question is, why would a guy ever get in a monogamous relationship? If sex isnt to be had only with love, then even if you love someone you can fuck other people right?
I can get being in a romantic relationship with just one woman if she has never done casual sex, but itherwise, why should a guy be satisfied with just one woman?
More like how can a guy tolerate being around more than one woman
This. My wife and I are muslim, we've entertained girlfriends before but it never works out because they get catty with my wife and try to replace her, basically. I wish I was born in Pakistan or Iraq sometimes so I didn't have this problem.
Bro its because u wanna treat your wife as the main one and not have them a as equals
More like how can a guy tolerate being around women at all. They’re literally insufferable to talk to.
jealuosy pretty much. also nice non-sequitur. love not being required to have sex doesn't mean love doesn't require you not to have sex with others
i feel the cope here but i understand your points too. also sex doesnt imply being around
Doesnt require but implies
If they are different and indepent things, if you have sex with love with your partner and love without sex with strangers should be acceptable, as they are independent. Why suddenly, when theres love involved, sex without love with kther people is considered a nono? Yeah, jealousy ok, but that begs the question, why be jealous? Might as well be jealous of all her past lovers. Its such a "if I dont see, if I werent around, it didnt happen" mentality
Why should I be driven by considerations when my hypothetical SO that had casual sex before was also following her animal impulses and not acting with consideration? If I found one women that act with consideration I take back everything I said, but as all of thrm past a certain early age have had casual sex, I believe my point stands
>If I found one women that act with consideration I take back everything I said,
Well, like I said, my wife and I are the only person either of us has ever been intimate with. So there's your example.
Agreed, I was unclear. The determining factor for me is the casual nature of the encounter, not the number. Casual sex once is still a bad thing, as far as I am concerned. Casual sex multiple times is merely worse.
Arent you together since high school?
As I said, past a certain early age, there re no longer single girls that have never done casual sex
>Arent you together since high school?
Yes, that is true. So your point is, no women who are available in later life have not had casual sex.
I don't think that is necessarily true. Longterm relationships sometimes end for one reason or another; I would not consider that to have been casual sex. Would you?
No I wouldnt, but you have to agree that as time goes by that specific group of women only get smaller, because of hoe phases after break ups, compensating for missing out on the "fun" etc
Add to that that a girl that has had a string of short relationships might as well be called casual sex, and that long relationships keep people within them for a long time and you have to have a lot of luck to find someone reltationship minded when they are single, and you can see how in practice the chances of meeting a single girl that never had casual sex after certain age approaches zero
>Longterm relationships sometimes end for one reason or another
>spend 2 weekends fucking chad and all his friends
>long term relationship
sure buddy
I am extremely happily married, so I am not sure exactly how you feel you're putting one over on me.
Not over you. But over your bullshit story of a girl being in a long term relationship but not having casual sex. Be real. I do not know a single woman I would not consider a slut. They all have casual sex. Where are you from, dude? Saudi Arabia?
>Not over you. But over your bullshit story of a girl being in a long term relationship but not having casual sex. Be real. I do not know a single woman I would not consider a slut. They all have casual sex. Where are you from, dude? Saudi Arabia?
I don't know what to tell you man. My wife and I have been together for 16 years now and have never even THOUGHT of being unfaithful to each other. Believe it or not, I don't care, but jfrom my vantage point you're objectively wrong to say "I don't know a single woman I wouldn't consider a s**t"
It makes no difference if it was long term or not.
it's not sex without love that is considered a nono while you are in a relationshp. it's having sex with other people other than your gf, even if no love involved. why? idk jealousy. my point is there is no contradiciion in that retarded rule anyways. also jealousy of exs is a thing, but you can cope by saying they only had sex because they hadn't meet you before... what normies thik is you shouldnt be having sex with anyone more once you met "the one", or else you dont love her...
>what normies thik is you shouldnt be having sex with anyone more once you met "the one", or else you dont love her...
Yes, normal people believe this. As in, normal people without mental disorders. Normal people in successful, happy, mutually enjoyable relationships. You are correct.
because when you find the right one its totally frictionless and you wouldn't trade that for sexual novelty. I've been with my wife six years and never even raised my voice or had an argument last for more than a weekend. it's insanely comfy and sublime and even a chance with Alison brie or whomever wouldn't be worth it
>because when you find the right one its totally frictionless and you wouldn't trade that for sexual novelty. I've been with my wife six years and never even raised my voice or had an argument last for more than a weekend. it's insanely comfy and sublime and even a chance with Alison brie or whomever wouldn't be worth it
100% this. I always try to convey this to people. When you are with the right person, it is effortless. You don't have to use strategies to maintain the relationship. There's no "game". It just works naturally. I have been with my highschool sweetheart since we were 15, and now we are 30, married with a son on the way... none of it could count as "work".
Backing these anons up. My wife and I get along so well that it's hard to quantify; talking with her is always a good time, she gives me emotional support when I'm stressed, she enjoys the fact that I'm constantly touching her, and so on. I can lift her mood simply by walking into the room! It's crazy to think that we haven't even known each other for three years, at it feels like we've been together our whole lives.
Have your wife ever fucked someone other than you?
If so, does that taint your love? Have she ever done casual sex or only within relationships?
>Have your wife ever fucked someone other than you?
Yes.
>If so, does that taint your love?
Nope! Even though she's only had one previous partner, I bet she wouldn't have liked me if I was the kind of guy who thinks lowly of women who've had lots of partners.
I feel like it's important to get on a soap box for a moment: It's okay to prefer a woman with a low body count. It's perfectly understandable to feel like there's an imbalance in a relationship if the woman you're with has a substantially higher body count than you; it's difficult to shake the feeling that you're just another guy, that you need her more than she needs you, and insecurity is natural. However, talking disparagingly about women with high body counts, thinking lowly of them, using terms like 'the cock carousel' or whatever, that's all a really shitty attitude. If had that attitude, it would've really put my now-wife off, and we probably wouldn't have ended up together.
>Have she ever done casual sex or only within relationships?
Her only previous partner is her ex, whom she was with for about eight years.
>I feel like it's important to get on a soap box for a moment: It's okay to prefer a woman with a low body count. It's perfectly understandable to feel like there's an imbalance in a relationship if the woman you're with has a substantially higher body count than you; it's difficult to shake the feeling that you're just another guy, that you need her more than she needs you, and insecurity is natural. However, talking disparagingly about women with high body counts, thinking lowly of them, using terms like 'the cock carousel' or whatever, that's all a really shitty attitude. If had that attitude, it would've really put my now-wife off, and we probably wouldn't have ended up together.
I think it's one thing to have past sexual partners if they were in committed relationships. But it's another, worse thing if the number of past sexual relationships is indicative of a casual attitude toward sex. I would have been okay with my wife having had sexual partners in committed relationships but absolutely not okay with her having had a multitude of casual encounters.
It's interesting to me that you're only mentioning either "no sex outside of a committed relationship" and "tons of casual sex with lots of people". You do realize that it's possible to have had casual sex just a few times, right? Your dichotomy doesn't really take that into account.
lmao this is the next step trannies are taking
they bot post that they're so happy with their gf so incels will settle for roasties who've hit the wall
remember boys, only date younger.
are this trannies you are talking about in this room with us right now?
No. My wife and I have been together consistently since we were both 15. We were each-other's first for everything beyond a kiss on the cheek. We both really enjoy that aspect of our relationship; it is nice to know we share a part of ourselves that nobody else has ever been a part of.
Ok, so both of your situations bear no relation to my OP, as my view is pretty much the same as this other anons:
FIt depends on where you're starting from. It sounds to me as though you are driven by resentment. Resentment is THE thing that will kill a relationship. If you want to have casual sex because you resent your SO for having had casual sex in the past, then your relationship has already failed, because you are being driven by animal impulses, not out of consideration.
Keep chasing dissatisfaction buddy, keep chasing it in the form of sex, see how happy that ends up making you
Not saying its the ideal
The ideal would be a monogamous relationship with a girl that has never done casual sex
But since all of them have, whats the matter? If they value sex without love so much they cant keep themselves from doing it, why dont just give them what they want? Everyone wins
Satisfaction is already out of reach, best you can do is consolation prize of fucking a lot of girls
Many guys i know who are promiscous think like this. You want to take revenge on women because you deeply desire connection but you don't trust women because they've slept around. the women you want to be with don't exist so instead you resort to defiling, using and throwing away what remains of these people after fucking. Why? because you hate them and want to destroy them.
The reality is that this will only make you feel worse and worse about yourself.
It makes you twisted and unkind to others. You are shitting where you eat and some other guy has to come and pick up the pieces. Maybe he will be just as pissed off as you are? Might just pump and dump her because he can't be bothered trying anymore.
You are right anon
Shit man
What could a solution to this look like?
I will save your words to read from tkme to time maybe it can help
This shit is making me so cynical man, I dont like that, Im not happy, I had a threesome but would trade all sexual experience for a for a chaste gf
Oh shut up homosexual. If you had a chaste bitch who didnt put out then you would be making threads asking how to threesome. You only regret this because you THINK the other side is somehow better, each has their downsides.
>hmmm Im just going to extrapolate bullshit and strawman you OP, dont mind me teehee
>the women you want to be with don't exist so instead you resort to defiling, using and throwing away what remains of these people after fucking. Why? because you hate them and want to destroy them.
>The reality is that this will only make you feel worse and worse about yourself
The fact that people like this exist is pathetic
I think all male promiscuity is driven by two mainly factors, apathy on the one hand and hatred in the other. Listen to some older men talk about their exploits and you'll see. One person I know who is a tinder fuckboi type talked about how he was interested in getting a relationship with this one girl but she opened up to him about how vulnerable she felt and that she still missed her ex. His conclusion:
>she is too complicated to be serious relationship type girl, I am only trying to fuck her. dgaf.
I see this more and more in some of my friend groups and it gets pretty dark after a while.
Sorry, can't type due to sleep deprivation.
>His conclusion:
>>she is too complicated to be serious relationship type girl, I am only trying to fuck her. dgaf.
Meanwhile, his real conclusion.
>This chick still wants to be with her ex and if he catches me with her and kills me in a fit of rage, he'll only do like 5 years in jail. It's not worth it, man.
>still missed her ex
Doesn’t sound like she’s ready for a mew, serious relationship. Sounds like she needs to woman up.
good
you're a cuck and a loser for not treating women like that
have fun getting used goods
Yeah, I began losing interest in my ex as she talked about her exes often, among other things. She was unwell and constantly testing me so I checked out pretty quickly.
Funny because the bitch probably knew he was a dark triad and still wanted him, HE decided he didnt want to deal with her shit, not the other way around. He never cheated or did anything bad because he never fucked with her to begin with.
you say this as though women don't absolutely deserve it
Why?
those are the guys women choose to sleep with, which is exactly the reason those guys hate women to begin with
Deserved or not, Chad abusing women is always funny.
>women choose with whom they sleep
>they choose the most abusive asshole who has ever walked the earth because "adventure"
>they get abused
>they stay
>abused more
>leave
>now anon has to pick up the pieces and for some reason be happy his gf is not just slutty, but also dumb
Men wanted deep connections with women. Women decided they wanted quick fucks. They fucked up. Since all is fair in Love and Ware, therefore all revenge is justified.
Women deserve this cycle of abuse they created for themselves.
Honestly the funny part here is that you're absolutely right but as long as anon pumps AND dumps it literally will never be his problem.
Fuck women.
This hit me deeply in my core. You are exactly 100% correct about this. This is literally how I feel, and why I never had and never will have casual sex. I refuse to give in and contribute to the degeneracy of our society. There's really only two choices one can make: perpetuate the cycle, or abstain. We must break this cycle of hate. We must be better than women. Be the change you want to see brothers.
I mean yeah? And? I know clearly I dislike women, but you're pretty retarded in thinking im sitting like a Bond villain thinking of ways to destroy them. I pump and dump them simply because that's the only value they can provide me currently, I dont crave companionship atm if anything it slows me down being overly serious with a woman.
The other type of male promiscuity is apathy and being cynical as a coping mechanism
You can tell yourself whatever you like roast, most women dont provide me with anything more than an energy drain. I'm sorry that your not the ray of sunshine you think you and your pussy are, but trust me you arent worth much past us having sex. If anything your unwillingness to accept it is cope.
I am not a woman lol. You don't seem terribly happy to me.
This is me but roles reversed
>When I believed in love I thought there were men that didnt have casual sex and that getting a bf like that I would be happy but as the years passed and I realized pratically 0 men didnt have casual sex at least once by choice, if they were virgins, it was only because they couldn't get sex, I said fuck it and had casual sex too. Now my question is, why would a girl ever get in a monogamous relationship? If sex isnt to be had only with love, then even if you love someone you can fuck other people right? I can get being in a romantic relationship with just one man if she has never done casual sex, but itherwise, why should a woman be satisfied with just one man?
>t. sees the subhumans on dating apps as representative of billions of people
People will say "muh kids" but won't admit children are kind of a hastle. No free time and you're always bleeding money. Plus there's the chance your partner will neglect you for the kids.
I think I fucked I think the same as you used to.
If you actually have a brain, constant casual sex will leave you feeling hollow and cheap.
Eh...its more like fast food, I feel like shit for maybe half a day and then I get over it. Most of the women I casually fuck are exes anyway.
>Now my question is, why would a guy ever get in a monogamous relationship
For children, or merging families for business or political reasons.
>How can a guy be satisfied with just one woman?
By being satisfied.
Emotions are a choice. Use that 1 woman as your catalyst to feel satisfied and problem solved.
Look to what the elites do. Not what they say.
They tell us through the media that everyone should have lots of sex, open relationships, don't get married, don't have kids, etc. But they themselves live very conservatively. They marry, and stay married. They raise their children well. This is how they establish dynastic wealth.
Promiscuity is the province of the lower-middle classes and below.
>have lots of sex, open relationships, don't get married, don't have kids, e
literally no one is advocating this, certainly not the elites. only weird 20 year old freaks on twitter and shit are into pronouns and polys
it's not a global elite conspiracy that 20 year olds are horny and aren't looking to get tied down ASAP.
It is not a conspiracy, no. But look to the common media and the zeitgeist. How is marriage shown on TV? Idiot husband, unhappy wife, bad children. How is childrearing shown? Expensive, ruins your life, takes your freedom, all negatives. I think it is pretty clear that faithfullness and faily life is portrayed very negatively today. That's my only point; the elite do not live the way the media shows us to live.
Women are exhausting and basically a waste of time unless you are getting something more than sex out of it. I cannot imagine how much mental fortitude it must take to actively pursue more than 3 women.
My record is having 3 girls on the go at the same time in uni. And for a good year or so I was banging them all regularly throughout the week. I'm proud to say I did a morning noon and night rotation a few times where I know for sure each of them walked past each other on the street outside my house with me having cummed in one with the other on the way to get her fill. Yet they never knew about each other. NGL still turns me on thinking about it even though I'm now in a LTR.
However maintaining that life was a ballache. It just took up so much time and effort that I didn't have any spare time between uni and doing shit with them. And the cost, fml it was expensive.
agreed. women so much cost money and time it's insane. only worth it if you are in love and get high over even beeing with her. that doesnt last in most cases sadly