How accurate is this?

How accurate is this?

https://narratively.com/the-one-eyed-african-queen-who-defeated-the-roman-empire/

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It doesn't need to be.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    As accurate as Harry Potter

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    All true.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >after an initial victory when the Kushites attacked Roman Egypt, they were driven out of Egypt by Gaius Petronius and the Romans established a new frontier at Hiere Sycaminos (Maharraqa)

    just like Boudica, initial wins but lost in the end

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      At least Boudicca does more damage out revenge. Where Amanirenas autism’s get btfo’d

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >initial wins
      How?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Raiding undermanned garrisons and villages.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Kingdom of Kush
    Bad dude weed lmao joke. Never happened.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Kush
      >Dahomey
      Who wrote black people?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Songhay (son-gay)
        God did. And he had a wicked sense of humor.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >narratively.com
    I wonder what's their narrative

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is a distortion for the purposes of creating a "YASS KWEEEN" story.

    >Roman frontier lies at Hierasykaminos
    >while Roman governor is away fighting another war the Kushites attack garrisons as far as the first cataract at Syene
    >when the main Roman armies return the Kushites are pushed back
    >Romans then advance into Kushite territory and take Primis
    >Kushites attempt to counterattack but are repelled
    >Kushites then send a delegation to Augustus to negotiate and the frontier is restored to Hierasykaminos

    The article implies the Romans feared the black warrior, but in reality they were not defeated at Primis. The one eyed queen started the war then lost the war, her only saving grace was the unwillingness of the Romans to maintain the war in perpetuity due to the expense and disruption of trade.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >zero sources
      Shut the fuck up

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        source: Strabo

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Strabo was a Roman. Of course he'd lie that the Romans won in the end.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >he's x so he must lie in favor of x
            well to bad he's pretty much our only source for your Big Black Cueen.
            And it's not like the romans could well you know simply not record it and pretend it never happened.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              They could, but the truth would get out
              It's easier to pretend that the war was hard-won and not worth the effort than that the Romans didn't get absolutely SLAYED by a BLACK QUEEN.

              You clearly haven't read a primary source in your life.

              cope

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Now this is just pure cope.
                >hurr durr this source where it said the romang kangdom won against our retarded cyclop queen is false
                >hurr duurr but dem same source that says dem black queen is won? yeah dem be true hur durr

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the truth would get out
                >our only surviving source
                nagger 90%+ of shit didn't get recorded back in ancient times
                The romans had the punishment of damnorie memorie, re moving a person or persons from all sources. As did the Egyptians whom would often remove even the names of pharaohs from monuments.
                If they wanted something forgotten they had things forgotten.
                But they did not. They recorded this and against better odds it survives to us to this day.
                And their version is all we have because africans and the written word go as well together as africans and swimming.
                you are just a salty troll trying to squeeze the LULZ version of BBC posting.

                Strabo was Greek.

                It would be pretty hard to fake which cities the Kushites and Romans took and the general course of events. It is not as though he denied the fact the Kushites reached Syene, he even mentioned the bronze busts of Augustus that were taken, he was not very biased in Rome's favor.

                OP article falls apart under a little scrutiny. I get that you want to stick it to /misc/ and racists, but no self-respecting historian will spread falsehoods to virtue signal. There are plenty of other fascinating (and true) things about the Kushites to talk about.

                >we got invaded and had our territories taken
                >so we raised a massive army to destroy the invaders
                >and after we "won", we "gifted" the land to the invaders because the war was "not worth it" anyway
                holy shit the cope lmfao
                romans lost.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                By this fucking retarded logic, Boudica also ""won""

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >small groups of boarders guards get beaten by and army
                >take your army and defeat the smaller army that attacked your boarder guards.
                >sign a treaty with the attacks that they have to respect your boarders or else
                >they proceed to stay on their side of the boarder you chose for several centuries
                >you lost
                why yes than this one cavalry raid by the Confederate states proves that the union lost the civil war

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the truth would get out
                >our only surviving source
                nagger 90%+ of shit didn't get recorded back in ancient times
                The romans had the punishment of damnorie memorie, re moving a person or persons from all sources. As did the Egyptians whom would often remove even the names of pharaohs from monuments.
                If they wanted something forgotten they had things forgotten.
                But they did not. They recorded this and against better odds it survives to us to this day.
                And their version is all we have because africans and the written word go as well together as africans and swimming.
                you are just a salty troll trying to squeeze the LULZ version of BBC posting.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you knew a thing about Ancient Rome then you would be aware that Romans were more than willing to record defeats.
                Now go ahead and explain what kind of motive Strabo, an otherwise impartial Greek living in Anatolia would have to lie about this.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You clearly haven't read a primary source in your life.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Strabo was Greek.

            It would be pretty hard to fake which cities the Kushites and Romans took and the general course of events. It is not as though he denied the fact the Kushites reached Syene, he even mentioned the bronze busts of Augustus that were taken, he was not very biased in Rome's favor.

            OP article falls apart under a little scrutiny. I get that you want to stick it to /misc/ and racists, but no self-respecting historian will spread falsehoods to virtue signal. There are plenty of other fascinating (and true) things about the Kushites to talk about.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Been on this shithole for almost 10 years and I've never seen someone blown the fuck out this badly before. Holy shit

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            They could, but the truth would get out
            It's easier to pretend that the war was hard-won and not worth the effort than that the Romans didn't get absolutely SLAYED by a BLACK QUEEN.
            [...]
            cope

            Why would the Romans then record the repeated defeats at the hands of Hannibal?
            They lost hundreds of thousands of soldiers to incompetent leadership, superior enemy weaponry, and tactics. Humility and learning from mistakes was a part of Roman History at least for a while. Victory adles the mind more than defeat does. Though an NTR enthusiast like you is already adled beyond thought.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Do you seriously need a source for what is evident, you cuck?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >uhhhhhhh it’s evident bro /misc/ said so!!!!1!1!1
          kek

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not *false* per se but like most Roman defeats in this period "this place is remote and not really worth conquering" played a major role, if she was queen of somewhere like Egypt or Carthage her political skills wouldn't have saved her.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It’s not false but uhhhhhhh it’s not true either! Black people are smelly animals!
      white cope is so delicious

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They didn't conquer Scotland for similar reasons

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This, same reason they left romania for strategic reasons despite having conquered it. It was probably a logistical nightmare.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If it's about a woman, a israelite, a homosexual or an african you should be skeptical, it's always done in service of a corrupt political agenda

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >desert shithole gets uppity and asks for peace as soon as a pair of legions gets near them
    i dont have anything against black ppl but these fantasy stories do more harm than good to them

    also kushites are not representing all of black skinned people, especially nothing to do with afro americans

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >His legions wore bronze breastplates
    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this guy doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah? Why?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why would The Romans use bronze? That's like a modern soldier going into battle with a musket.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Even muskets used bronze. It never fell totally out of use.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Bronze breastplates are completely unreasonable though. The amount it would cost compared to iron and its effectiveness would make it redundant. Not to mention the Augustan army wore mail, not plate.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The disabled poc african queen who defeated the Roman Empire (she was also a lesbian)

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

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      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >just put the phone down bro!
        nah i’m not going outside to get mugged by urban youths nice try tho goldberg
        die in agony unironically

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >They took the entire Triakontaschoinos region, including Syene, Philae and Elephantine, a terrain of 200 square miles. Strabo adds that in these cities, the Kushites “enslaved the inhabitants, and threw down the statues of Cæsar.” They then retreated south with loot, Roman prisoners and thousands of Egyptian captives.
    And that's a good thing!

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >enjoying the spoils of war is… LE BAD (but only when africans do it)!
      mmmmmmmmm chudley not a good look

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's just funny. Blacks accept no excuse for slavery in others' history but when they hear of a situation where they had the power to take slaves, they're proud of it.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nothing Africans did even comes close to rivaling the brutality and cruelty of slavery in America. I can’t believe you’re trying to die on this hill. chudley…. this ain’t it

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You miss the point. "The brutality and cruelty" doesn't matter to them in principal. It's the fact that they were on the receiving end instead of the ones in the position to do it to others that they see as the great cruelty of it.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >They’re mad they were enslaved and wish they hadn’t been
              Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah I guess?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                More to the point, they wish they were the ones doing the enslaving.

                It should tell you something that Liberia of all places had slavery. Blacks in America were given freedom and their own country to start anew, and even they, having lived through the horrors of slavery themselves, took indigenous slaves as soon as they could and practiced the same chattel slavery of the American South. They didn't think slavery was bad in principal even though they lived through it themselves. If they could be the master, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            There were a lot of mulatto slave owners in the Caribbean and they were exactly as bad as the white slave owners

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Whites made the system
              Whites benefitted from the system
              Whites STILL benefit from the system
              Why is this so hard for you to understand?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Whites made the system
                You retards still have no source for this. When did whites invent the concept of slavery?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I thought America was built on the backs of the hard working minorities?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Please friend explain to me how witch doctor medicine advanced the science and welfare of the African people.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            See

            >zero sources
            Shut the fuck up

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              What?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Slavery wasn't that bad. Black slaves had a higher caloric consumption than whites in Ireland and Italy. Beating slaves was rare and discipline had to be agreed on by a council of older slaves. There's an archive of over 2300 slave testimonials collected in the 1930s most are nostalgic for slavery.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              link that shit cracker

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >t. someone who knows nothing of African history
            I hate white and israeli "leftists" so much.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              no argument you’re just appealing to emotion

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          nice strawman. The point is people in the US having a direct line of profit to structural racism. No one gives a shit about roman number 102020 enslaving kushite 14722. Nobody could claim anyone has any benefit because of that event.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Tell me more about your trickle down theory of economics.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Engage with his argument or fuck off leave

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you believe that allowing the wealthiest 1% of society pay less for their labor by owning slaves instead of paying wages to citizens benefits all the people in the nation, it follows that allowing the wealthiest 1% of society pay less in taxes would have the same benefit.
                I get the feeling he agrees with the first point but not the second.

                There is no economic benefit from slavery that trickled down to modern Whites. Slavery is not the reason the West is wealthy, The West being wealthy was what allowed them to enslave other people in the first place.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Didn't black people in America benefit from slavery? It was their ticket here and they're benefiting from the same society now.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's a power fantasy of black kangz taking other races as slaves

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yass queen slayy

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >for her disability
    >Antigonus the one eyed

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Only an idiot would believe this crap.
    Sadly most people are idiots.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    She attacked a few Roman garrisons when the Romans didn't think the Kingdom of Kush would actually start a war. She was apparently brave in battle, at least personally, according to the Romans themselves. When she had to face a proper Roman army with full legions she was defeated.

    Augustus was more concerned with other parts of the Empire, so he wanted to wrap up things in Nubia quickly. To this end he came up with a peace agreement where Kush would get 60% of the disputed territory. That was more than half, so it could be sold as a win. The Romans would get the rest. Rome controlled none of the territory prior to the encroachments that sparked the war in the first place. So Augustus got most of what he was hoping to get, and turned an enemy into what would be a reliable trade partner, and he freed up resources to do other more important things. I think Augustus in kind of overrated but I'll admit that was pretty ingenious.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What makes you say that Augustus is overrated?

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    literal nobody praised by a website openly naming themselves as a propaganda vehicle
    >narratively
    lol

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why are niggos like this? Besides the overmemed mali empire, axum or the nubians in general are so much more interesting and less larpy.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This, barely anybody knows of East African history, so contorting it for feminist pieces seems retarded. Who tf knows about Kush,D'mt, Ethiopian, Makurian, and Axum Kingdoms or Funj, Ajuran and Adal sultanates besides nerds who do independent research. I could understand writing a Yass Queen slay about something that occupies the periphery of normie history, but nobody even knows the first thing about African history, or let alone East African history in the first place.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Somewhat.
    Both the Kushites and the Romans were successful in their attacks with neither side being able to follow through for a real victory. In the end they settled for a treaty; the Kushites were rich traders so the Romans were satisfied and the Kushites wanted more trade to make money so they were also satisfied.
    Also people seething about Kushites are mega cringe. The Kush and the later Nubians are kino with their culture. A REAL claim to fame would be the fact they BTFO the Muslims twice while the Persians and Byzantine ""romans"" got steamrolled. Not bad for a bunch of Egyptian larpers.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is the literal definition of we wuz Quangs and sheeeit

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Dynasty_of_Egypt
      Uhm...

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Quangs nigga, quangs.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >foreigner semi-rule
        Eh?
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandal_Kingdom

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    approximately half the posts in this thread are OP just trying to keep the bait going with the least amount of effort and you keep replying to posts that call white people "mayos" like anyone on this site legitimately does that.
    Do you really have fun, just replying to bait over and over and contributing to LULZ becoming a sea of frogposts and other equally useless noise? We can't let this site die, it's the only place on the internet you can actually fucking talk.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >We can't let this site die, it's the only place on the internet you can actually fucking talk.
      Nah, whenever a subject comes up that someone doesn't like the thread gets spammed with porn/gore/roll images etc until it hits bump limit and/or gets deleted

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        really? I only see that happen when people get fed up with intolerable schizo spam. Sounds like that's the sort of thing you enjoy posting.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ton of posters bait threads they don't like into becoming controversial just so they can delete them

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            what you posted is not an argument tho

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              It wasn't me, I was just corroborating what anon said.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                that's not what he said though, he was talking about people just coming in to a thread and spamming it to death. That only happens with forced memes and garbage spam threads that the board population is sick of seeing.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >That only happens with forced memes and garbage spam threads that the board population is sick of seeing.
                Cool story bro

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                still not an argument.
                how new are you?

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing you read about blacks in mainstream sources is accurate. They are hacks, frauds and revisionists.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Another episode of Römefags seething

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh no, melanin-enriched sisters, we got too cocky...

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like a Huffington Post article to make black people feel better about themselves during Black History month.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I noticed this trend lately. Sóy "reporters" from California take some female ruler, look at her for literally a second, write an article how good and nice and fierce she was.
    >then when you look into it it turns out she was a slavering warmonger who get the shit beat out of her as soon as she met an European
    Take a look at this:
    >Hollywood is about to release THE WOMAN KING
    >A movie about Nanisca, a leader of the Dahomey Amazons
    >Movie portrays her as noble anti-slaver who wins every battle or something
    >In reality she enslaved thousands
    >In the movie she's portrayed as "resisting foreign invasion"
    >In reality the French told the Dahomey to quit raiding for slaves and when they didn't they invaded
    >"Fierce" amazons participated in the battles against the French where they got absolutely demolished
    >In one battle the Amazons lost over 800 warriors while the French lost... 6
    oh and also that part
    >Movie portrays the WAHMAN KANG fighting against foreign invasions and for pan-African unity
    >"The slave trade has been the ruling principle of my people. It is the source of their glory and wealth. Their songs celebrate their victories and the mother lulls the child to sleep with notes of triumph over an enemy reduced to slavery."
    uhhh

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >read about the mighty Dahomey Amazons on some African-American revisionist website
    >apparently they were sassy strong black women who defeated France in many wars before being defeated by overwhelming technology
    >go check wikipedia
    >turns out they were utter shit and never won a single battle
    >the french defeated them with fucking bayonets and captured their capital (a mudhut village named Abomey)

    >read about the mighty Queen Ndate Yalla on some African-American revisionist website
    >apparently she was sassy strong black woman who defeated France in many wars before being defeated by overwhelming technology
    >go check wikipedia
    >turns out she was utter shit and never won a single battle
    >a french garrison of a thousand men defeated her in the only battle she ever fought and captured her capital (a mudhut village named N'Der)

    It's all so tiresome...

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    About as accurate as this.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thas Southern heritage ya hear boy!

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Monkey delusions

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