Homebrewer Opinions Posted on May 24, 2023 by Anonymous why are there so few good homebrewers post your own opinions
Here's my last homebrew!
how did lena make her broad shoulders work?
same way any other woman does
nigga that is syrup
Why does this look AI generated
they blurred the background to stop chuds doxxing her and stealing her leet estradiol
>tesselated background means its ai generated
are you really that retarded?
i have never seen an ai do anything even remotely close to that
based jenk insufflator
how many phytoestrogens do you think jenk contains?
you 4got someone
Coping. Lena is a or s tier
good job blurring out your table and window, I would have been able to tell it was a table and a window.
Also what'd you make it with
Who are half of these? I don't recognise any of the ones without the name written in the logo except Lena and Lillian
why is felicitas c? i got my vials in 5 days, meanwhile otokonoko took about month..
spiffy should be S or A tier, they were a real one
why is Lena bottom tier? yeah she is insane but she is so cool
top one is Manufactured By Tyger. Bottom one is Noire Labs
they're all UK-only homebrewers
choosing which homebrewer to trust is a balance of who has been around for a while and whose safety procedures are more "open source". for example, Otokonoko Pharmaceuticals does not report anything about how she makes her vials, and it's speculated that she does not even filter. on the other hand, she's been pulling through for the DIY community for so long now that we recommend her as a knee-jerk reaction.
then look at Manufactured By Tyger, who has crawled out of the woodwork very recently. the level of detail she posts about her vials is insane, but she has barely made any vials (see her batch record) and barely anyone knows her outside of certain Discord servers. i would personally wait for more people to be able to vouch until i bought anything off her, despite the competence she gives off. would be interested to hear from any customers of hers
a good balance between the two options is Vanna Pharma, who i generally recommend if they are in stock.
really appreciate the information. running out of EEn and becoming increasingly suspicious of all the new suppliers popping up. might just go legit, but cheers anyways
Tyger is a transmasc btw iirc
Yes. We need so many more mad scientists please. How are we all autistic, yet only three people make HRT worth its salt?
Felicitas is pretty new, is there a reason you throw them in C?
that tier list seems to base people off how technically safe their E is, not people's actual experience with them
what does "actual experience" even mean
why would you care about anything besides the safety of the product
you never actually know if they are following the procedures they claim to, so it's all meaningless. they're running a business after all
I wanna learn more about Tyger, if anyone has information.
>Many will gladly use any piece of shit vial they can get hold of, complete with rust, hairs and rancid ingredients, and feel indebted to whoever made it.
t. third worlder
damn, what a chad. i'd really love to follow in his footsteps
i'm certain this was written by a tranny drug dealer i know in London. i don't know why 'he' is pretending to have just started up
this is so fascinating, i have no intention of homebrewing but i feel more people need to read this
He's another mutual aid type like Boobs Not Bombs. Let's see how that works out for him.
Yeah Tyger is based but I reckon we should keep mention of them to a minimum on here to avoid another Spiffy situation, the work they're doing in particular needs protecting, they can do their outreach IRL without it being stored on websites like this
If you know any local activists or organisations where you are in the UK who know or organise with trans people from marginalised backgrounds you should contact them, aside from that I reckon we need to be really low-key about them
why? how is it different to any other homebrewer?
found on reddit
Shes annoying and acts like a babytran, I love lena for her very eastern matter of fact way of speaking combined with the air of soviet mad scientist
>very eastern matter of fact way of speaking
>air of soviet mad scientist
the most Soviet thing about her is her inability to ever admit wrongdoing, narc behavior.
I used her EEn and my levels were miserable, I tried multiple independent labs, on different days after injecting, the levels were almost non existent throughout the entire time.
She clearly fucked up, but when I emailed her she said that it's all those blood test labs I went to that were actually wrong.
Fuck her lying ukrainian ass
What did oelabs do?
People are just hating because she had a really hard time when her partner essentially collapsed and her entire career was threatened. The product was really good, I hope she comes back again
The product was not "really good". People would get random cloudy and discoloured vials. She also hasnt refunded all the people who bought from her 9 months ago and didn't get what they paid for. Yet another homebrewer who spent more effort on web design than providing a decent service. Stop blatantly shilling in this thread.
#freesiffy till its backwards
spiffy im a fucking bot
where is she anyway? did she actually go to jail because I heard they raided her shit
I have no idea I really hope not I hope she just stopped to stay out of trouble
who is it in A?
I have never seen them before.
free my nigga spiffy she dindu nuffin but not pay taxes
how do y'all trust any of them? lena was acceptable only because of her long history of not knowingly killing anyone, and spiffy seemed pretty transparent about her safety standards.
do any other suppliers have proof of proper procedure or is everyone rolling the dice?
tru or bait?
probably true. She either needed a license for the amount of product she was making or never reported the earnings to the IRS. 99 percent sure that's what happened if you think about it as a rational adult for 10 seconds
>long history of not knowingly killing anyone
If your list is not based on actual research of the vial contents its garbage
idk who any of these are except vanna who id put at the top because they are the only way to get e in the uk (tranny purgatory) and otokonoko that id put at the bottom because their quality control seems to be rly bad under the high demand
idk what lena looks like but im assuming thata her and she goes at the top for being based as fuck
all the others must not be relevant since ive never heard of them
>hair in vial
oh nooo not a hair a tiny little hair!!! if it's sterilised who gives a fuck you pussies
boiling a vial does not sterilise it at all
what??? none of this is right. she lied about the qualifications she had, produced consistently bad product (and didn't even filter), and shut down production while HUNDREDS of people had paid her for vials she still hadn't sent out.
>Produced consistently bad product
This shows her product is good
>Shut down production
True, i explained why
>Lied about her qualifications
the HRT testing is a meme. they say themselves that they are only looking for heavy metals when they do gas chromatography. what about literally anything else that could be in there? you could be injecting a fat bolus of E. coli thinking it's completely safe until you get an abscess which complicates into sepsis. don't think it couldnt happen just because we've been safe so far
Still waiting for the evidence she doesn't sterilize
As she says she does and always has
Neither has anyone ever had issues except the one batch she tried a different carrier oil
>she tried a different carrier oil which gave people an intense burning sensation when they injected and kept their money
>Kept their money
Also not true, she provided a free swap to the normal carrier oil or refund
that hair could et sucked up the needle and then injected into your muscle which would hurt alot and probably get infected and need to be surgically removed
just don't suck it up then moron
bitch I have a rock in my arm you think I give a fuck about a hair??
Why do you have a rock in your arm?
when I was little I wiped out on a gravel road going on a bike ride with my family
I bled pretty badly and covered it up with a bandaid
maybe it's just scar tissue or something but I'm 99% sure my arm just consumed it, it's been there ever since
I can pinch it and it's solid and moves and feels uncomfortable but it doesn't seem to be hurting anything
what's the deal with oelabs? i almost ordered from them because i was worried my last lena order wouldn't make it because of the war but eventually it did so i didn't have to. it does seem like there's been drama with them but i'm not sure what exactly happened.
Her partner essentially died (vegetable) and her actual medical license was being threatened to be revoked due to redditors doxing her which led to her having a minor breakdown and all production and shipping being halted for roughly 2 months
This caught the ire of the community because you're supposed to be a autismal robot and not have feelings when making hrt like Lillian
The actual product she made is very good as can be seen from the lab results
i see, i knew about all this stuff, i thought people were complaining about the quality. i live in france and i know our medical ombudsman thing are fascists when it comes to trans healthcare, a GP in the city i lived in before got memed for treating a trans minor because their parents reported her.
fucked if true.
how is Alice doing these days
Afaik Alice is once again a vegetable
vanna is S tier because they are the only way to get undecylate as far as i know
i'm s tier because i make my own estradiol therefore based
all personal homebrewers go in god tier
Make mine pls
beyond s tier
waste of trips
building up funds to create an E stockpile and going homebrew. Thought of getting into supplying but there are a few things I'm still learning about complications due to State-side bs.
basado, you could probably get away with setting aside 100 bucks for 20g of een at dragonordnance and enjoy injections for the rest of your life
sorry i don't sell it rn. maybe in a few years
anyone who brews for themself and their friends
Lena and Lillian, because they've made the most vials and probably helped 10,000s of people transition between them
Most other homebrewers
Homebrewers who get loads of hype but have long periods of inactivity because they set expectations so much higher than they could provide.
the shill in /hrtg/ can get the bottom tier
In terms of safety, top tier is anyone who sterilises the empty vials, filters and then uses *dry heat* sterilisation. Not a single homebrewer I am aware of does that.
and tests samples of their raws. all stuff they could feasibly do at the current markup
why is dry heat the safest? i thought autoclave/pressure cooker was the preferable way of sterilizing vials
wet heat doesnt transfer the heat to the oil as efficiently as dry heat. that's why Lena's advice to boil the vials in a saucepan of water is so pointless. the inside of the vial won't reach 100C unless you're boiling it for a *really* long time
glad i just put mine in the oven then
i mean that is theoretically better, but it's best to verify that your oven actually reaches the temperature you need it to
It's the reverse, dry heat distributes heat less uniformly and due to that requires using way higher temperatures.
dry heat method is flawed due to cold spots, but it is more effective at heating oils. pharmaceutical hormones are always treated with dry heat.
my main worry is that some homebrewers (e.g. Lillian) think that wet heat sterilises the vials, so any hair or other particle that ends up in it is fine, and they cut corners on aseptic technique
>my main worry is that some homebrewers (e.g. Lillian) think that wet heat sterilises the vials
and it does? why are there no reports of reactions to their injectables?
oelabs does moist heat and is fine, i got my vial before they resolved their issue with filtration (which according to official standards is redundant and inferior to heat sterilization) and i didn't get sepsis
>To ensure the sterility of our products, we use a class B (medical grade) autoclave. This is the most efficient type of autoclave on the market. We use the prion cycle.
>This is the most effective sterilization cycle, recommended by the French authorities, it consists of an 18-minute program at 134°C.
the 'French authorities' do not create the guidance for sterile compounding, the EMA does. that's an EU regulatory body.
you're right in that they state terminal heat sterilisation is important *in addition to* filtering and aseptic technique, but they also clearly state in their guidance that you should use dry heat for non-aqeuous (that means oil-based, dipshit) solutions. stop trying to retroactively shill for your dead business
If you're trying to argue a point on safety, it's a pretty awful look for your only source of information to be the homebrewer who ran away with hundreds of people's money
There’s no consensus in this thread, I’m running out of otokonoko juice and wanted to buy from someone else next who should I buy it from
where are you and how poor are you?
If UK then Vanna is the best no-worries option.
is a sealed jar of lenajuice likely to be okay to use
it's gonna be fine if you filter it into vials and then sterilize it
why does everybody sperg about injections that have to have complex homelab setups when spiffy's guide has the transdermal liquid that you can mix up with three ingredients and a food scale in your kitchen? it's worked for me fine even if it's a bit inconvenient
everyone can make gel, but it's inefficient af when it comes to how much e you need to use daily to achieve the same levels you would with injections, that's why it's not a great option if you don't have a lot of money or the will to smear estrocum on your luscious thighs every single day
Apply it to your scrotum sac and it drops the needed dose to roughly double what injections take. The raws are one of the cheapest parts of homebrew, believe it or not, so doubling the amount in a recipe is hardly more than a fraction of a cent for the benefits to how easy it is to make. There could be hundreds of homebrew labs if people would stop hyper focusing on making only the hardest method.
bruh i know what raws cost and they're not as cheap as you make them out to be, and i've made gel before. i also know about the scrotum method but it's too obnoxious to wait for my balls to dry. i just much prefer injections
>and they're not as cheap as you make them out to be
I got mine for 80¢ a gram. I take 6mg a day so that 1 gram lasts for 166 days and works out to .5¢ a day. Half of a penny. Even doubling that for because my gf takes the same dose is only 1¢ a day.
>wait for my balls to dry
I never do and the worst that's happened is my underwear gets a bit of oil staining on it. I apply, tuck, and get on with my day.
lol idk how you get it this cheaply, but here the shipping costs from china and the fact that i don't have enough money to buy in bulk really holds me back
I bought from Vanz Pharm like it says in spiffy's guide. I bought bulk but even if I didn't it's still only 1.5$ a gram under I think 50 grams. That's still only like 10$ a year for HRT.
ehh i would still feel bad over using this much estradiol per year, it still feels very wasteful. maybe it's because i'm a neet and don't have income but i like to minmax these things
i'm kinda glad you told me about this particular vendor tho, since i was buying at a more expensive rate
>There could be hundreds of homebrew labs if people would stop hyper focusing on making only the hardest method.
the easiest method is dissolving estradiol undecylate in MCT oil and taking it orally measuring out dose from vial with syringe, it gives monotherapy levels with low doses taken once daily
>However, a closely related estradiol ester, estradiol decanoate (estradiol decylate), has been studied via the oral route, and has been found to possess significant oral bioavailability, to produce relatively high estradiol levels of about 100 pg/mL after a single 0.5 mg oral dose and about 100 to 150 pg/mL with continuous 0.25 mg/day oral therapy, and to have a much higher estradiol-to-estrone ratio than oral estradiol of about 2:1."
That's cool as hell too. My point still stands that everyone chasing injections is only making it harder for everyone by making homebrew too involved to take off. Production learning curves keep suppliers out of the scene while safety concerns keep consumers skeptical. We need a middle ground.
when i look at vanna i get lena 2.0 vibes, don't know why. especially with their russian name
vanna means bathtub in many slavic languages
no kidding about oelabs, what a mess that is, i dunno even where to order really
>ITT every homebrewer catfighting with each other while pretending to just have a special interest in industrial pharmaceutical procedures or something