Holy shit bros I completely misunderstood The Great Gatsby

Thank you Google!

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, books and people, that is basically how it works.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      t. ched

      There's very strong textual evidence to Nick being gay. The question is whether or not it is relevant information necessary to the reading. In other words, is it just diversity shit to get LGBT people to read a "dead white male" book, or is it actually relevant to interpret the text.

      Personally I think it's relevant because it explains Nick's fascination with Gatsby.

      I'm sorry you're such a chud that finding out a character who wasn't explicitly stated to be gay is in fact gay gives you an aneurysm. Hopefully it kills you next time, chud.

      t. chxd

      Actually, I like the idea of queering every worthy artistic achievement. It demonstrates how much society loses when we decide to let gays out of the closet. They go from the most deified persons we can imagine, artists and poets of unimaginable beauty, to the most lascivious, puerile, and loathsome creatures that man can stoop down to. Literally incapable to stop going to piss orgies for a couple months to contain the spread of an ugly virus. Perhaps that's the reason why culture is too stagnant these days. What energy would have normally been sublimated into the arts has now been released into gay sex.

      I can't wait for the moment when gays are forced back into the closet so culture can restart again. And tbh, the gays will be better off for it.

      t. chud

      https://i.imgur.com/5OlbkXd.png

      Thank you Google!

      t. chod

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        t. chyd

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        t. banchod

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    There's very strong textual evidence to Nick being gay. The question is whether or not it is relevant information necessary to the reading. In other words, is it just diversity shit to get LGBT people to read a "dead white male" book, or is it actually relevant to interpret the text.

    Personally I think it's relevant because it explains Nick's fascination with Gatsby.

    I'm sorry you're such a chud that finding out a character who wasn't explicitly stated to be gay is in fact gay gives you an aneurysm. Hopefully it kills you next time, chud.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Give one example

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        t. chi(mpling)d

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The elevator ride.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Elaborate

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Something about holding on to the shaft as you go down and then next thing you know Nick is in his underwear in the bedroom of the guy from the elevator. There's also lots of ellipses in this passage to suggest double entendres and things intentionally being left unsaid.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It reduces it to a merely "personal" i.e. prurient and gossipy level, it is a bourgeois reading and those critics who find it interesting should be fired (into the sun)

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        good point

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >saying something about something is reducing it to that thing also argument winning word

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      few things. first, i just want to say i really love how much of the male experience has been appropriated by gay characters, to the point of something resembling caricature.
      there’s this ironic hypocrisy among intersectional feminist and queer studies whereby men are supposed to be “in touch with their feminine (sic) side” lest they be accused of “toxic masculinity”, yet at the same time (esp. in literature), nearly every expression of this allegedly “feminine” side is read as “queer”. where nick caraway could simply be taken as he is — unafraid to experience and even retell intimate moments or thoughts shared with and pertaining to another man (which is fine, possibly even good), he is now subject to posthumous “queerification” for no reason other than an ideology’s inherent need to tidy up things which don’t necessarily align with its worldview and redefine the world according to its own terms.

      second, i would just like to point out that this whole idea is premised around the sublimation of interpersonal relationships towards lust and sex, which seems to undermine much of the message you ought to be going for. the notion implies that platonic friendships cannot exceed a certain level of intimacy or mutual trust without “secretly being gay”, and this toxic, unhealthy mindset is part of what is likely driving straight men further and further into isolation and the machismo your movements claim to be combatting.

      more likely than gay, caraway is probably mildly autistic and trying to cope with that loneliness. also probably some hero worship. if anything he’s not in love with gatsby but the idea of gatsby (or even better, the desire to rise above one’s station that he represents), which creates a nice if imperfect parallel with gatsby’s worship of the ideal (rising above one’s station) that daisy represents.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/5OlbkXd.png

        Thank you Google!

        i know i’m going to get tl:dr’d and this was a bait thread in the first place but i enjoyed writing this so thank (You) all the same OP. it’s nice to be able to jerk off about one of my favorite books

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Well put, anon. It's simultaneously comical and sad how these people can't seem to conceive male friendship and bonding as genuine camaradery without thinking of homosexuality. Makes me wonder if they're either subconsciously trying to ruin what they frightully feel eludes them, or try to make homosexuality seem less deviant by artificially conflating the two.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            i think it has to do with an inherent need many have to “make others be like me”, some desire for control by means of boiling things down (or flat out redefining them) so that they operate on, and can be understood through specific terms. i think most people have the underlying drive for dominion, which both manifests in different patterns of behavior, and which can be identified within the self to avoid unhealthy expressions such as what’s described above. that’s my working philosophy but i’m sure in time i’ll need to refine it further.

            i want to say i can’t really agree with the premise of your picture and it seems a bit hypocritical. there are certain things about being a man (such as this strange camaraderie which often gets mislabeled as homoerotic, intentionally or otherwise) that women will understand, that is true. but i also think it’s foolish to assume we can understand a woman’s experience (and personally i’m thankful for that). i think that men and women both assuming they can “understand” the other sex’ experience is what leads to a lot of bitterness, commonly seen as expressed behavior by incels and twitter banshees alike.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, the image was a meme but it carried that same "can't comprehend male friendship" aura. I'm sure women help improve eachother too, obviously, but it's funnier when they're painted in that shallow-platitudes/bitter-nagging color.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            That picture could honestly describe anyone who has no ambition, not just a woman.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        nice post but i feel seeing him as mildly autistic is a liberty similar to the queerification

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          fair point. i guess i shouldn’t have said that but i didn’t know a better way to phrase it. is there a term for that type of temperament, lonely and highly observational but not necessarily in a clinical sense?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >tries to combat a queer reading by saying it's too rooted in contemporary a mindset
        >his counterargument is also extremely rooted in a contemporary mindset
        Nigga you really think Fitzgerald held the same views on "men being in touch with their feminine side to avoid being toxically masculine" and that Fitzgerald knew what "autism" is and how to write an "autistic character"?

        Get real. Just stop being homophobic and accept Nick might be gay.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          there’s no point in arguing with you if you’re a) not going to read the post and b) are just going to throw around such useless buzzwords as “homophobia”

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Right back at you. You latched onto homophobia and refused to acknowledge the part of the post that BTFO your queer rebuttal.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          he might be gay, he might not be. what's your point? the gay reading is just a less graceful one and, like somebody pointed out, reduces literary criticism to trashy gossip

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >the gay reading is just a less graceful one and, like somebody pointed out, reduces literary criticism to trashy gossip
            It's not though. You're just saying that because you're homophobic.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Please grow up

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >omg... maybe he just wants to FUGGGG
              I'd say that about any literary analysis fixated on lust.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Actually, I like the idea of queering every worthy artistic achievement. It demonstrates how much society loses when we decide to let gays out of the closet. They go from the most deified persons we can imagine, artists and poets of unimaginable beauty, to the most lascivious, puerile, and loathsome creatures that man can stoop down to. Literally incapable to stop going to piss orgies for a couple months to contain the spread of an ugly virus. Perhaps that's the reason why culture is too stagnant these days. What energy would have normally been sublimated into the arts has now been released into gay sex.

    I can't wait for the moment when gays are forced back into the closet so culture can restart again. And tbh, the gays will be better off for it.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, he definitely sucked dick and swallowed cum.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    What has happened to this general ? It was swell a month ago

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Is it even physiologically possible for gays to fall in love? Like, the romantic high school crush kind of love. As far as I understand, it really isn't, and they have trouble understanding actual love, confusing it with more familiar lust.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Probably considering that they feel like marrying someone and whatever.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        But most "gays" who marry are actually lesbians, having their own girly slumber party-style thing.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I don't know. I never bothered checking statistics or anything.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Gays don't love, they only lust. One man can give his life for his camarade and that is love, but him wanting to shove his cock where it does not belong is nothing but degenerate sexual behavior and at most a kink.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I can't tell if gays can love. Did Tchaikovsky love his little gay friend? Can we make exceptions for rare cases?

        Certainly all homos today are just mutually masturbating degenerates living out porno irl.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          So having degenerate sex does point to lust rather than love. But if you love someone, you want the best for him, right? So if you love your friend, you'd give your life for him, but simply keeping him for yourself, even without the degenerate sexual intercourse, obviously isn't the best for him since he should get married and reproduce. It still goes back to selfish lust and unhealthy relationships.
          The only thing close to this I can think of right now are two vets returning home and not fitting in. Of course they're better together for now instead of alinr, but loving eachother means they'll push eachother to eventually go their own ways since that's how it's supposed to be, right? But from this to thinking "yeah, we'd better enlarge our poop holes" is a long way that has nothing to do with love.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Do you know how much fan fiction is gay romantic yearning?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        no, i don’t read fan fiction. how much of it is homosexual romantic longing? as an aside, i have both loved and lusted before, but every time i have ever felt what might approach “romantic lusting”, it feel closer to the latter than the former.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Assuming that's true, which I can't tell, there's a big gap between yearning and being capable of. How many people yearn for social success or riches or extreme performance? Even on the subject at play, I'm sure your average stronk woman has romantic yearning that she wouldn't be able to live even with Chad. LULZ itself is filled with autismo men that wouldn't even like having a gf yet post Ryan Gosling clattering chairs when they see an anime girl doing something cute.

        Is it even physiologically possible for gays to fall in love? Like, the romantic high school crush kind of love. As far as I understand, it really isn't, and they have trouble understanding actual love, confusing it with more familiar lust.

        I can't tell if gays can love. Did Tchaikovsky love his little gay friend? Can we make exceptions for rare cases?

        Certainly all homos today are just mutually masturbating degenerates living out porno irl.

        I think a non negligible argument on the subject is the insane promiscuity that is near universal in the community. Long term monogamous gays are a rarity.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Once AI does both the creation and the criticism, humans are superfluous. This is why there's "reaction" videos on Youtube. The point is not to appeal to the human, but to try to close the loop independently of human involvement, as far as is possible.

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >meet/read about great men
    >be impressed by their iron will
    >the tragedy of their fate leaves a mark on you
    >want to pay homage so other men can ponder it as well
    >>uhm sweaty this akshually means ur gay
    still no getting of this ride?

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