historically, why has sub saharan africa not pulled its weight compared to the rest of the world?
historically, why has sub saharan africa not pulled its weight compared to the rest of the world?
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i really have no clue what you mean by any of this
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The brutally unpredictable climate, feral fauna, more or less constant supply of food, flies that give malaria, didnt favor foresight or intelligence nearly as much as a good trait to have to pass on your genes than in northern regions. This is true for all peoples who evolved in the equator but the out of africa people all had a bottleneck where they at least had to be wise enough to survive a totally new environment while on the move.
This in turn didnt make for a population fit to build lasting infrastructure in probably the hardest place to build infrastructure that doesnt shit itself (a jungle). Or even a population that understands the absolute necessity of doing so. Somewhat controlling monsoons would have helped them a lot, but again 60iq people will never be able to do it.
Domesticating local fauna such as zebras would have been an agricultural and military revolution. The problems are: you need to clear the jungle for them to survive in west africa and animals in africa are naturally more feral and nervous due to the predators being far more numerous than out of africa.
The Sahara acts as a ocean of sand where it is highly difficult to get new ideas and trade from the north. The African kingdoms who ended up going somewhere were those who imitated the arabs and knew the only way forward was to enslave other blacks through something similar to the aztec flower wars.
There was no real copper or bronze age in africa, iron got there at about the same time as in western europe. That sparked the first bantu expansion. The first real iron smelting in africa seem to be from the igbo which is my next point
The Igbo people are the only high iq population of ssa, nicknamed the "israelites of africa", They were chosen by the british to be the rulers of the other africans of the region. They were traditionally seen as a mercantile and somewhat stateless people by other blacks and were always seen with distrust.
In other words, environment is the most significant factor?
Yeah, 100k years of natural selection in this environment gives you a people that is naturally more "r-selected" and mentally geared towards a high time preference" than any other human race. At this point, its crystalized into the collective genome
It works in the precolonial african context, bantus didnt take over the entire ssa for nothing but in a modern society, competing with whites and asians means they fall flat and will always gravitate towards being the lower caste.
>competing with whites and asians means they fall flat and will always gravitate towards being the lower caste.
Colonial laws fucked them over in Africa. In Kenya the only reason Indians got ahead was because Euros were obssesed about shitting on Africans specifically with laws and policies gimping economic participation and speculating on land and failing farming ventures
>The brutally unpredictable climate, feral fauna
Stopped reading here. Literally any place on earth had 'feral' fauna when humans arrived. Europe was full of mean as fuck apex predators, like sabre tooth cats or cave bears. South America had bears five times the size of a polar bear, Australia had a seven metre long monitor lizard, the Kiwis had their giant eagle etc. p.p.
The only reason why we think of Africa as having a particular mean fauna is because Africans unlike any other population didn't manage to outcompete its megafauna up until whitey brought guns and we can still look at it.
>Africans unlike any other population didn't manage to outcompete its megafauna up until whitey brought guns and we can still look at it.
To be honest you have to compare African elephants to Indian ones or things like the Hippo which still kill the most people out of all Megafauna in Africa
A bull elephant would pick up a polar bear and use it as a rag doll.
This isn't ultimate warrior, buddy. A bull elephant also doesn't prey on humans. The claim that Africans evolved among a particular hostile fauna is just plain false, deal with it.
>The claim that Africans evolved among a particular hostile fauna is just plain false, deal with it.
Anon African and Indian elephants have radically different behaviors.
>Anon African and Indian elephants have radically different behaviors.
lmao, what a braindead reply completely unrelated to any exchange.
Yeah few and far between. Compare that to let's say wolve attacks in the middle ages and the 18th century. Not even in the same ballpark. And that's even a comparison to Europe's persumably 'tame' ecology. It's just a cope nothing more.
>Yeah few and far between.
Not even close. Elephant raids and invasions was always a thing in Africa and even now many outright raid farms or assault people. More so as their numbers grow in Africa due to local conservation efforts.
Also I do know Indians who have been near both and all of them outright say how radically different African elephants are compared to the ones back home.
Must have been a great incentitive to build wooden pallisades or mud pallisades then. You know how your 'germs' and 'celtoids' did over 2000 years ago. But oh, they didn't even manage to do that either.It's utter cope.
And for your interest wolves used to raid settlements and even cities as well. The casualties were in the hundreds if not thousands. And that was in modern times. As I said utter cope.
You really can't admit you were wrong. Elephants can rip out trees by the roots. You think shit is gonna stop that?
Not him but your excuses for African underachievement are pathetic
They've had 1000s of years to out think retarded elephants and they couldn't
>out think retarded elephants and they couldn't
They hunted elephants for food and Ivory.
>A bull elephant also doesn't prey on humans
They target and raid farms back then and now.
>We can't into civilization because of elephants
Holy kek do you guys really believe this kind of absurdity?
>A bull elephant also doesn't prey on humans.
No, but a bull elephant will decide on a whim to flatten a village because it's bored, or it got annoyed at something.
>The African kingdoms who ended up going somewhere were those who imitated the arabs
They didn't. Africans were exposed to other Africans as well as Persians, Indians, Portuguese and more. The idea that having contact with some Arabs means that one is Arab or Arab derived comes from a colonial era belief where people could not really compute that Africans engaged in cultural exchange. That's why you had people call Afars Arab just because they knew Arabic to varying degrees and read the Quran.
In Colonial Kenya if you were Muslim that actually netted you a better status than "African" so you had Somali's and other Black ass African Muslims say they were "Muslim" which to Euros meant "Arab" to get better jobs and status.
>animals in africa are naturally more feral and nervous due to the predators being far more numerous than out of africa.
The opposite is true. Predator-prey ratio decreases as the carrying capacity of a region increases.
Prey animals in more austere regions had to deal with a greater predator burden than prey animals in plentiful environments.
>Igbos were high IQ so Brits kept them as administrators for the colony
Holy fucking cope, nagger you're retarded and historically illiterate. The Fulani were and still are the defacto hegemon ethnic group handpicked by a colonial power, the Igbos are just a mercantile + wagie class who are more or less drones like other Africans. If you said Hausa I would've looked the other way even though they're mad stupid as well but Igbos? Jesus fucking Christ Anon do better
Isn't necessity the mother of invention?
probably something to do with the average 70iq
Leftoids will say anything and everything except the fact they have 70iq
It's in the mid 80s.
It's not it's mostly in the 70s
Africa Americans have 20% average European ancestry , theirs is in the 80s
The question here isnt the fact that their iq is 70, the question is why is it that low
Well, Africans first themselves are genetically less smart but even then they also live in a shitty place, Middle east or north africa or Eastern asia and Europe have huge flat and temperated green lands, even drier middle eastern territories at least have multiple seas surrounding them and huge rivers, in Africa where blacks live you have Sahara, Sahel ( which is the only place where state and empire embryos formed, then on a very short distance a bit more in the south you're straight up in a tropical humid climate with poor soils, flooding, diseases due to mosquitos, and also a lot tend to forget that in these hot moist climates the water is dirty and full of bacterias in constantly hot mudy water, while in the middle east and north africa the river water isn't due to rain, but to ice melting further away in mountains, and the dry and sandy climate doesn't make the water very dirty since sand sinks quickly in turbulant water, and the dry air and very hot climate in summer and cold/temperate in winter still provides climate change through the year forcing peoples to develop ways of being alive, keeping food and helping each others when its not the few months in a year where it rains and plants grow, and even if eastern central africa isn't tropical and has too seasons its still hot all the year, making house building a lot less necessary and peoples only making wood and mud huts along their hunting path, and to finish most of the edible things there are tropical fruits, which means outside of tropical zones they have mostly nothing they wish to plant and cultivate themselves, especially when the soil is so poor there as i mentionned, rain washes all the minerals, if there was just subsaharan Africa in this world Sahel would quickly have become the civilized part, but again its a thin band stretching left to right, which means countries there would have hard time staying in place or expending due to all neighbors being on the same fucking line
>are genetically less smart
Lmao we still can't even determine that within races. Genetic and medical research in Africans is borderline non-existent because Africans aren mych of a large consumer based and foreign reserachers horde and barely collaborate with African researchers who help them out key alone other non African ones. African generic and bio data is basically in a state akin to real estate speculation in several western states.
it has provided (see: has been robbted by) the colonial empires with the raw material (including human slaves) in order for them to influence the world. they've pulled their weight and then some, in some cases literally.
Lack of ports, rails, rivers. It’s basically all geographic.
inb4 thomas sowell bad
Guy has no background in history and geography on top if him being very dishonest in many of his works. He was a good author in the past but now he unironically has merged with the very ivory tower he has rebuked.
That might be, but his QRD on Africa's geographical problems seems pretty solid to me.
Nobody knows for sure. Some say lack of navigable rivers, but its a lame excuse. Lack of domestic animals isnt a reason since they had cattle and meso americans managed to have civilizations despite these.
I think the reason is simply that people were too narrow minded, maybe because of culture
well, unlike much of the rest of the southern hemisphere, they didn't have another more powerful already-established state in the northern hemisphere support them. because of the sparse climate, tribes were loosely distributed and focused on survival. when they did meet, it often created conflict.
Ya know, these threads feel weird because it treats technological advancement like its a HoI 4 tech tree or that it's linear in some way.