I'll start. Like the Iliad and Odyssey, China's ancient history was passed down through oral tradition until the 16th century. China did not have its own system of writing to record history until Portuguese explorers amazed the Ming emperors with their ability to record information without remembering it. When those same explorers reached Japan several months later, a similar encounter ensued with the local daimyo they met, who ordered his subordinates to create a written script. In a letter to the Pope, Portuguese explorer Alberto Barbosa wrote, "these people possess riches beyond even the imagination of Marco Polo, and all we could give in exchange [for gifts given by the Ming emperor] was written language". This also explains why Japan and China have differing written scripts despite being neighbors with similar cultures- they developed writing independently of each other, but around the same time in history.
>China did not have its own system of writing to record history until Portuguese explorers amazed the Ming emperors
You lost your way. /misc/ is your on your next right
>for some reason mentions /misc/
>links Wikipedia as if that proves everything uncontrovertibly
jesus fucken shit, the NPC is meme is real as fuck
Good observation kek. The Wikipedia link is supposed to be some kind of kill shot?
>China's ancient history was passed down through oral tradition until the 16th century. China did not have its own system of writing to record history until Portuguese explorers amazed the Ming emperors with their ability to record information without remembering it.
Why the hell did the Chinese create paper? For butt wiping?
That was one reason, but it was also used in construction, art, and even warfare (as a lightweight armor). By the way, their paper armor was more like very tough cardboard than a sheet of paper you would write on; it was supposedly tough enough to protect its wearer against xiongnu arrows at long range
No, by written language he meant knowledge, stop being retarded.
There are fucking 6000 year old bones with chinese characters on them
3200, not 6000, you disingenous fuck xD
This but unironically. Why are these homosexuals allowed on this board?
The bones with characters scrawled on them have been proven to be fakes. There is no evidence for literacy in China prior to contact with European explorers and the same is true of Japan
>This also explains why Japan and China have differing written scripts
A large chunk of Japanese writing even today consists of Chinese characters.
Literally most content words do.
Very interesting red pill
>portuguese explorer alberto barbosa
Yes, indeed, Alberto Barbosa even became a minor kami of writing and reading in Japan, known locally as Aruberuto.
Also, Aruberuto Day is a local holiday in Kagoshima and several towns nearby to commemorate the arrival of Barbosa in Kyushu
most historically literate LULZ poster
Good portions of not just Genesis and Exodus, but also the reigns of king Salomo and king David appear to be almost entirely mythological. Their reigns and feats are not supported by even the slightest bit of archeological evidence and the overwhelming consensus amongst historians is that both of these reigns are mostly, if not entirely, mythological
>Portuguese explorer Alberto Barbosa
Stopped reading there.
> Steve Mitchell also said: "the truth is that there is no bridge that says what particular glyph means on the early bronzes. And so we have the question about the Chinese writing system." I can only report in this connection that Morosov said the idea was that the Chinese writing was a product of European thinking. When the European people came to China, in each village people spoke a different language, it was impossible to develop a writing system for the languages in which phonetically there were four tones, in another seven, eleven or thirteen - they spoke quite different languages, so the only possibility was to use pictures.
Chinese history is dubious at best
> First, it is not really a Chinese script, but an international script that can be used not only in different parts of China, where multiple dialects, even languages, are used, but also in Japan and Korea, and indeed anywhere in the world ( and will). Because this script has no phonetic signs, it is unable to present words that have no meaning. Such words, eg all names, are replaced by a series of meaningful words (by names – imitations). Therefore, Europeans can hardly identify (recognize) the European geographic names in Chinese pronunciation.
The Chinese themselves do not know names in our sense - names that have no meaning and are passed on purely phonetically. The word "China" does not exist for them, only the word combination "Middle Kingdom". They call their capital "The Northern Capital". They make Washington Wan-Shing-Tong or something that has some meaning to them. That's why you can't tell from such dummy names in a Chinese book in which language the book was originally written: Japanese, Chinese or Latin. In this way, all translations immediately become Chinese books.
For this reason there is a very high probability that the books brought to China by Catholic missionaries and European astrologers and other scholars were considered Chinese after translation. In order to discover the European character of the books, one has to break with the European tradition according to which, when translating from Chinese, some of the words are not translated but presented in the Pekingese or some other phonetic form, which translates the texts into the " very Chinese sounding".
Another example: as the time of the German invention of book printing traditionally the 15th century is named, 1440 is the earliest estimation. This invention works perfectly in Europe as we have a phonetic way of writing, so all our languages use phonetic alphabet. Now the official point of view is that 300 years before, in the 11th century, someone in China invented metal forms for printing one book - so they produced millions of symbols, metallic forms for letters, printed a book and then forgot it - just to have a place in history. In reality I think someone translated into, say, the 17th century into Chinese some possibly Dutch book about the technology of printing in Germany. Later this Chinese book was rewritten, corrected and published another time. Today it is a part of Chinese history.
Wait does this mean China technically wasn't a civilization until the 16th century?
Also how the fuck would you keep records?
Not necessarily, just not a literate civilization. Keep in mind that the Greeks passed the Iliad and Odyssey down verbally until late in the Classiacal era- much is possible without written language
I'll bite. Despite outward appearances, Russia is fundamentally an Oriental nation, more similar to China or Persia than its European neighbors. Until Peter the Great forcibly westernized his country in the 18th century, Russian history was entirely separate from European history, and it would have stayed that way. In fact, Britain, France, and the other great powers of Europe may have carved up Russia in the same way they inserted themselves into China, had they remained a backwards Asiatic state