>Hi Anon, it's Doctor OP here.
>I just went over your psych evaluation and have determined that you are, in fact, not trans.
>I recommend following a few lifestyle changes listed in this pamphlet. If your symptoms continue, we may schedule more interviews.
Is this a reality? Can doctors come to this conclusion without fear of being assassinated by the Cancel Squad?
Or are doctors destined to prescribe HRT despite their better judgement?
This sets a troubling precedent for obvious reasons, doesn't it?
I don't believe any doctor is going to tell you that you're "not trans" but they should be able to help you differentiate actual GD from onlinebrain feminization fetishism
With that in mind, would a doctor actually be able to address the issue of watching too much sissy hypno videos? Assuming the doctor is aware of the phenomenon.
Seems like a doctor who even humors the idea that their patient may not be 100 percent trans runs the risk of being mobbed. What kinds of things do doctors say?
I don't think the troony mafia is going to run a doctor out of town because he advised a patient presenting as obsessively addicted to feminization pornography that they probably don't have actual GD
Perhaps not if it's an obvious case of AGP.
If a more discerning doctor noticed GD in an unusual way, or under unusual circumstances, the doctor may be tempted to postpone HRT. Maybe I'm overthinking it.
therein lies the rub. why should doctors care? when, in a medical education, should sissy hypno be brought up? should we cancel the cpr class and inaert that in its place?
that's what makes this population such easy pickings for lgbt health grifters; the desperation for "empirical" validation of their trans status. now any dumbass caribbean doctor can slap a rainbow on their business card, watch a dr. powers lecture, and milk this already broke and beaten group for all its got.
Seems to me like the better solution to this is developing better diagnostic criteria for GD and standardizing education on the issue for medical professionals, rather than trying to SHUT IT DOWN (which is just going to drive people with gender issues underground into the same sketchy discord groomer covens that we want to move people *away* from)
the "diagnostic criteria" for depression at the GP level is a 10 item questionnaire. that's the solution? there is no such thing as psychiatric standardization.
i don't care to argue further, but believe me when i say the underground will serve trans people better than the allopathic establishment.
if you're impressionable (moronic) enough to transition due to a discord groomer coven, you have deeper issues than gender identity
>if you're impressionable (moronic) enough to transition due to a discord groomer coven, you have deeper issues than gender identity
Right now, this is pretty much anyone under the age of 15, and at least half of people aged 15 to 25.
The precedent you're setting will lead to widespread detrans and will set the movement back decades. Academics are not perfect, but they are certainly better than unlicensed lib-moms dispensing HRT to any child who asks nicely.
No doctor on earth with even half a brain is ever going to tell you no on this one. Unless he could pin it on some obvious other mental illness like you were actively having other delusions and saying crazy things that could be bundled in, they will just give you whatever you want.
Absolutely not, they can't do this.
When I first called into a gender clinic, they literally offered me hormones over the phone. When I hesitated, they honest to goodness said "if you're calling us, you're trans".
>"if you're calling us, you're trans"
Kinda based NGL
It's not though, I think there should be more gate keeping than that.
Canada, though in a more conservative area of the country surprisingly.
>It's not though, I think there should be more gate keeping than that.
I was joking, silly.
Never know these days
>Canada
That's surprising
Usually gender clinics are more into the therapy approach than IC clinics, at least that's the case in the US and Australia
When I called up my IC clinic to start the process they didn't mention anything about hormones or why I'm calling they just told me they could fit me in at so and so date
Then when I go there the doctor just sat there and asked me what I was doing here and what I wanted him to do and I had to go through the whole process of explaining what my problem was and what I wanted him to do (prescribe me HRT)
That's probably a better process than pushing HRT on you on your first phone call without you having mentioned it even though it's a bit harder
Well personally I don't think there's any harm of AMABs getting HRT as adolescents assuming that they've been distressed for a while
Also I think the hundreds of trans kids having their life saved by starting HRT very early is more important than the 1-2 cis kids who accidentally start HRT
Oh also a huge thing I missed in this post
If you were calling the clinic and you just wanted therapy to sort your gender feelings out and they instead tell you you're definitely trans and that they're going to give you a HRT script that's even worse although then again, they might be so busy that they don't have time for people like you which is unfortunate
Ya this is what happened and it was very weird. I wanted therapy and they acted like that was a weird request that no one seeks.
Sounds like it's a clinic that primarily provides HRT rather than a specific gender clinic
Both have a role, it's just unfortunate that it didn't come up in your research
I was looking for a therapist, this clinic came up on a therapist website and that's what I was trying to schedule. The impression I got was that the appointment was a formality to just dispense HRT or whatever though.
Yeah that's how IC works, it's mostly a formality and they check to make sure you aren't someone who is completely delusional or psychotic and also aren't stupid/unaware of what you're doing
It's funny though because some of the clinics have to ask you like 'how long have you been feeling this way' and I know someone who said that they'd only been dysphoric for 6 months and the doctor gatekept them for nearly 2 years because you were supposed to have experienced dysphoria for at least 2 years lmao
Did the therapist work at the clinic?
I believe so. I scheduled and appointment but then got cold feet about it, cancelled, and went somewhere else
I hope you found a clinic that was more suitable for your needs
I've heard trans health care in Canada is massively overburdened so places like the place you called are essential
>When I first called into a gender clinic, they literally offered me hormones over the phone. When I hesitated, they honest to goodness said "if you're calling us, you're trans"
Which country?
I got hormones at an IC clinic after 2 appointments without seeing a therapist but what you're saying sounds a bit crazy especially since the majority of gender clinics are pro-gatekeeping
Anon conversion therapy is still legal in most states.
You fricking gorilla-brained moron monkey.
The main issue here is determining how "easy" it should be to get HRT and SRS.
If it's too easy, you run the risk of creating future detrans-ers.
If it's too hard, you may deny trans people the best treatment.
A doctor should be able to say "No" or "Wait" under the right circumstances
But then I suppose the patient will just go to a more loose clinic.
>Is this a reality?
Yeah I had a psych call me a confused young man who needs to just lift weights and date more when I was 17. Of course I thought he was moronic and got on HRT asap. This was the early 2010s.
I'm glad it worked out for you despite your bogus doctor. Your situation would be something I fear if doctors were more cautious with their prescriptions. But a certain amount of caution / discrimination is necessary.
>But a certain amount of caution / discrimination is necessary.
Why would some guy know the contents of another person's mind better than that person themself? Do they teach telepathy in med school now? I suppose I'm working on becoming the wrong kind of doctor.
The deeper into my education I get (and my experience with experts wrt trasition helps this along), the more obvious it is that doctors are just some sorta smarter than average guys who have little special insight. Having shamans reading turtle shells determine who gets to transition would be almost as effective.
>Why would some guy know the contents of another person's mind better than that person themself?
Because that person is trained to, and will be educated on certain signs to look out for. You said it yourself, doctors have at least some insight. Self-diagnosis is especially dangerous for certain impressionable people. If you're under 18, you should get an evaluation from a licensed professional before doing irreversible damage to your body. If you're 18 or over, I say you should be able to get HRT at 7/11.
That's very unprofessional imo and likely would reflect an underlying bias that the doctor had
What the more likely case would be is that the doctor, if they were inclined to prescribed HRT without a letter from a psych would do would be to refuse a HRT script at that appointment and get their patient to see a psychologist or psychiatrist first
This happens quite often with autistic/depressed MtFs and although it's rare, psychotic individuals
You're overestimating the amount of training doctors get on these specific and rare issues
>You're overestimating the amount of training doctors get on these specific and rare issues
While that may be true, I firmly believe that there should be at least one obstacle in the way of children getting HRT. In this case, that obstacle would be a doctor, even with a limited amount of training.
Obstacles like a person in a white gown would be ideal to prevent otherwise impressionable cis people from medicating themselves and injuring their lives. I think there should be two people in white gowns, ideally, just to filter out more future detransers.
Well based on my research I don't think it's a concern for adolescents to start HRT since rates of detransitioning is very low
The ideal situation would be for doctors to catch it early and for HRT to be commenced before puberty begins imo
I probably agree with you there. I hope we can also agree that there should be some obstacles in the way of adolescents getting HRT, but I think we may already agree on that.
>Which country?
Very likely in Portland, Seattle, LA, or San Fransisco.
>Because that person is trained to
Read minds?
> and will be educated on certain signs to look out for
Which will be inherently subjective and vary person to person, wildly.
You can be educated on how to read a blood test, trying to act like you are educated in this is like pretending you have a PhD in reading tea leaves.
Now it seems like you yourself are underestimating the very crucial role doctors play in the transition process. Doctors cannot read minds, but they are (or should be) equipped to administer HRT to the correct people.
Like I said before, there should be at least one obstacle in the way of adolescents getting HRT. Even if that obstacle isn't trained the best. Obstacles serve to filter out future detransers. If you're over 18, go ham.
>Now it seems like you yourself are underestimating the very crucial role doctors play in the transition process
Serving as a meaningless barrier which only serves to make an outcast group even more likely to wish to self-segregate from cis society through the cultivation of mutual distrust?
You are indicating to me that you think there should be no stopgap between an adolescent and HRT. I may be wrong, but that's the vibe I'm getting.
You don't want to live in a world where anyone can get HRT at any time. This is a recipe for disaster. Doctors are a meaningful barrier, and their function is not to make trans people feel like outcasts.
Administering medications correctly is a crucial function in all medicine.
>I do think DIY should be permitted
If you're over 18, yes. If you're under, frick-to-the-hell-no. I'm not prepared to doom a significant portion of gay children on Discord who were groomed into becoming HRT femboys.
That just doesn't happen I'm sorry
And I'm mainly talking about parents buying their kids DIY in cases where the trans healthcare system is very slow and would result in their kid masculinising for years before they can even see a doctor
>kid masculinising for years
thats what biology and nature intended it to be
it will still happen anyway even with HRT as young as 2
>thats what biology and nature intended it to be
Nature intended you die of smallpox at age 4, or diphtheria at age 6. It also intended for you to spend your day nakedly stabbing deer, not posting moronic takes online or working 8 hour workdays.
>smallpox at age 4, or diphtheria
once again those disease have physical proof and manifestations
while dysphoria does not its just based on feelings
What the frick are you even talking about? Do you know how to follow a chain of comments? Are you drunk?
No there isn't lmao
Literally baseless
>Literally baseless
yeah like diagnosing dysphoria as well
all the guidelines seems to be base only on feelings
>No there isn't lmao
Not that anon, but it's more likely that a doctor is powerless to say "No" to any kid who comes into their clinic with gender issues. There is evidence of this even among people in this thread.
Literally a bot or sub-100 IQ
>Are you prepared to see that number skyrocket if doctors were removed from the transition ritual?
There is literally zero evidence to suggest that this is the case, so yeah, fully prepared.
>Literally a bot or sub-100 IQ
this is a mark when a troony looses an argument
>zero evidence
If HRT was completely unregulated, there would be a significant increase in detransitioners who were memed or groomed into doing HRT. This is not an inconceivable concept.
in the US hrt is basically completely unregulated for people over 18 and nothing bad has happened yet
>nothing bad has happened yet
weird boomers getting hormones isnt bad, just.. undesirable
i agree with 16. i think people have a good enough handle on their gender at 16 to do informed consent
yeah it’s called informed consent. only real obstacle is a waitlist
I'm arguing that for people *under* 18, HRT should be regulated and prescribed. Do you agree or don't you?
Is it really, I thought I hear about people needing therapist notes on here all the time?
It depends on where they live whether you have access to a good doctor and also you can choose to go to doctors who don't do IC
Ah, guess I should have done more research... here's hoping my regular doctor does.
probably doesnt. just go to planned parenthood or a dedicated gender clinic instead of being lazy and trusting your normal doctor
I originally was gonna try Planned Parenthood, but heard you shouldn't and never got a real explanation about it. Appointment with regular doc is later this week, I'll see what happens and then try elsewhere.
Lol
I mean perhaps there are reasons but you shouldn't just listen to someone unless their reasoning convinces you...
"nothing bad has happened yet" is not a good metric for determining future outcomes.
>You don't want to live in a world where anyone can get HRT at any time. This is a recipe for disaster
The detransition rate is 1% or less from onset of puberty onwards. Doctors can't even diagnose bacterial infections and cancer with a true positive rate of 99%, what makes you think talk therapy will somehow improve on the shocking precision of self report?
there is still alos a chance that the doctor is misdiagnosing gender dysphoria just to profit from puberty blockers and hormones' tho
also cancer is a physical manifestation of a fester with a tumor to show unlike dysphoria which is just based on feelings
No there isn’t gorilla brain.
You can get a malpractice lawsuit for giving unnecessary x rays for frick’s sake.
misdiagnosing gender dysphoria is also malpractice
you have to be open to this possibility
Yes moron that’s literally what I just said.
it also means if unnecessary x rays can happen
doctors who want to profits from puberty blockers and hormones can too
only this time misdiagnosing gender dysphoria can lead to permanent damages to the childs body
You literally cannot follow a set of logically connected sentences or trains of thought.
You are too mentally disabled for these conversations.
Go back to watching MLP or whatever.
and what's worse the parents who prey victim to this cannot sue the those doctors(troony psychologist) for the most part
since the fear of getting ''cancelled"
>The detransition rate is 1% or less from onset of puberty onwards
Are you prepared to see that number skyrocket if doctors were removed from the transition ritual?
I'm not promoting conversion therapy here. I'm just saying there should be one person with a white gown and clipboard in between a child and drugs. And that person should be able to say "No" or "Wait"
It's tough
Because obviously there are many barriers put in front of adolescents seeking HRT through official channels and it's only in the right wing fever dream that there are all these adolescents being prescribed HRT without any gatekeeping
But when I think about ideals and what should be done for the maximum benefit of these kids, I do think DIY should be permitted
well said
They probably could do that, but the problem is more in that the patient would likely just go to someone else who tells them what they already think tbh. Idk if that’s even a uniquely trans problem though unfortunately.
They're not going to tell trans people that because they know trans people will immediately go to another doctor and cry about medical transphobia. That's like McDonald's refusing to serve a morbidly obese guy on a scooter another 50 piece mcnuggets over "health concerns"
I'm OP but it just occurred to me that HRT should be available over-the-counter to anyone over the age of 18. Frick it, you're an adult, you can make your decisions right? Is this already true IRL?
Obviously you should get an evaluation if you're a child, but it would be based if you could get HRT at a local pharmacy if you're an adult.
Absolutely they can and do say no when symptoms aren't matching- that's professionalism IF they know the material involved. You can get a second or third opinion and they know that too. That second opinion may be correct based on current information since the first opinion, or perhaps the first opinion didn't fully consider all factors. This applies to all medicine, psychiatry included.
>This sets a troubling precedent for obvious reasons, doesn't it?
what? that people have autonomy over their body? i really dont care if people who arent truetrans get hrt
>i really dont care if people who arent truetrans get hrt
Passed the age of 18, I agree. But for younger people there should at least be one doctor in the way of HRT. The function of the doctor would be to filter out kids who were impressioned or groomed.
>parents buying their kids DIY
While this is... better... it's still not ideal. Famously, lib parents can be fricking cringe with the LGBT shit. You know exactly the ones I'm talking about.
Well I know cases of supportive parents being attacked and stalked by right wing conservatives yeah
>Can doctors come to this conclusion without fear of being assassinated by the Cancel Squad?
thats proof there is no such thing as trans kids
they are just children that got groomed into
No this will never happen
everyone already lies about stuff to get hrt
There literally no regulated testing to determine Gender Dysphoria in the first place
no blood testing
no CTC/MIR scan
comparing it to cancer or diseases is just bullshit
literally just based on feelings of the bullshit "gender affirming therapist"
I highly doubt this butthole will ever say NO
I'm OP but I actually want to disagree with you here. To my knowledge, you can't check for "transness" using any physical metric like the ones you mentioned.
Dysphoria is a psychological disorder, and thus should be addressed via a psychological evaluation. I believe that a person can be treated with gender dysphoria by transitioning, and a few psych evaluations may be sufficient to diagnose.
the saying 'no you haven't got it" is the problem here
we have no way of objective way finding out dysphoria
psych is so the cesspit of biases in diagnosis
That vid makes me question the validity of " Gender Dysphoria"
hrt.cafe
Dr powers talks about turning people down for being too agp, and i saw people saying the private dr i saw turned away people from hrt for being gynephilic and not presenting female and stuff. gatekeeping definitely happens, it's like a lot less now but still
how did he describe being "too agp"? are there examples of people who he'd turn down that I can read about?