this castle was build way past their practical use as defensive structures. It is purely aesthetic and would be useless during a siege even if it were in the middle ages.
Even less people had that kind of money back when this castle was built, undoubtedly by someone with more money than most people. People with this kind of money still exist, however most of them are israeli and hate this type of architecture therefore you don't see it any more. Idiots response is stupid, the reason no one builds these isn't lack of funds or lack of wealthy, it's an overabundance of israeli wealth that results in problems like losing your cultures architecture.
>Even less people had that kind of money back when this castle was built, undoubtedly by someone with more money than most people.
you don't know that castle and who built it???
some people do though, they could build cool stuff instead of spending their money on child prostitutes on epstein's island, the real reason though is taxes, if you build anything cool the state will tax you out of the ass for it so it's just not worth it, if you're really rich it's better to live as a drifter, traveling between 5 star hotels that have professional caterers and engage in whatever degeneracy you can
Right. Literally nobody "owns" land. At best you're leasing it from the government (which hates you) and they'll tax you to death if you try to build something great.
Civil servants nowadays who regulate public architecture are generally the un-creative progressive type who type modernity bullshit is ''art''. In the past these people would have been influenced by religious orders in universities. Nowadays everything is secular.
As if you need 50 millions to build this castle...
No...all you need is the power to feed about 300 workers and their families for 100-500 years, and the access to the local stone quarries, and forestry land. This was all built on stone and wood. You don't need any other type of wealth than just access to these resources, and a decent group of specialist workers like masons, miners and carpenters.
So as long as you could offer them a dwelling and food, work security.
Back then, they even had ''guild houses'' for these workers like ''gite des compagnons'' in France where they had medieval unions of workers, and were offered a place to stay, eat, all free of charge for work on these castles.
It's nowhere as expensive as you think it is to build this, if it were a national project, and you asked for volunteers, you would be able to have a project of this magnitude, using old methods, done every 50 years.
The problem is more so maintaining them and making them ''livable'' by modern standards.
Most of these castles only generate income due to their historical touristic values.
A nobody's castle would fail to achieve any form of revenue allowing you to sustain it, whether via renting or even doing some type of medieval museum.
>As if you need 50 millions to build this castle... >So as long as you could offer them a dwelling and food, work security. >stay, eat, all free of charge
My simple logic is that you are thinking of these projects from a modern ''resource procurement and supply'' point of view, when really you should ask yourself whether the true construction cost of these castles isn't entirely different when considering other options or methods such as participative/collective job-sourcing and local resource management via forestry/mining.
50 millions is very far fetched and if you could procure the permits to build something like this nowadays, and simply adopted old local principles of lodging and feeding workers, seeking out volunteers without pay interested in ''grand oeuvre'' works...even if you paid for resources, and did not own them (say you can also afford forestry and prospecting land...it's not too expensive) ...You wouldn't even crack 10 million, and I am 100% serious.
Modern principles don't apply to work like these at all. But sure, go ahead and hire your local real estate developer company, I am sure they will bill you 50 millions.
People in the past spent more on things like castles. The wealth gap was far greater. 50 million today would have been worth far more in the past. Technology and engineering for building has improved drastically so a medieval wouldn't be worth much by today's standards. The point of the post is what happens to the art in building. Art will always look good when you have a society of minority intellectuals who rule over the majority poor with no middle class.
In the end it all comes down to being resourceful. You could argue that any man can make art. You can make pottery and ceramics from clay, pigments and oil for paints using flowers, leaves and crushed up seeds...
Back then, they even made bio-degradable paint from goat milk.
Resources are everywhere, their uses plenty for who can see them. To make art, that is.
It's nothing above the creative mind, but sadly, deep down, most are only ever pursuing art to seek out fame, or financial wealth.
Rare are the artists who create for themselves alone. Intrinsically, the value of art is subjective. But you do not theoretically have to spend many resources, to create something valuable. There is nothing stopping those that are willing.
In the case of castles, in particular. It's still very much doable, provided you are willing to do it.
I know of quite a few projects in Europe. There is one castle being built entirely collaboratively in France right now, using strictly medieval methods.
People say art is subjective but it's hard to honestly look at a giant European cathedral and say it's the same as an African hut.
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I am saying that the value of art is subjective. Two different people will not hold the same work it to the same regards. They will value different things. There is some heavy consensus on some works of art. Most people will agree that cathedral architecture is beautiful and valuable.
But as you mentioned, someone with different values might walk past it and pay it no mind.
What I am saying is that artistic creation is very much accessible to all of us. And we shouldn't fear doing it. But there will almost always be a questioning of your own motives. Usually once you reach setbacks or failure, you will ask yourself ''what am I doing this for?'' For money? for fame? Eventually, those who truly love art will perseveres whilst others will stop when faced with failure.
So ask yourself, if you set out on a journey like the build of a castle, provided you had the resources, but could face failure...would you keep going? Or...would you need any form of recognition, whether financial or purely social...for what you're doing? That is truly, for me, the question on whether it's Art, or not.
50 mil would be cheaper than what anon suggests doing lmao
Lmao paying hundreds of peoplr and securing them for 50 years lmao
That’s hundreds of millions of dollars at least. Maybe even up to a billion
We do thing the way we do now specifically because slavery/indentured servitude was more expensive.
Slavery didnt end because of good hearts and morality, it ended cause the rich didnt want to feed and how and protect the retards anymore.
>Slavery didnt end because of good hearts and morality, it ended cause the rich didnt want to feed and how and protect the retards anymore.
No, it ended because people who have a stake in the system are much more productive. Its the same reason free farmers produce more food than collective farms with the same area. The farmer knows why he's doing it and knows any excess will result in profit, the collectivist gets paid the same either way and will only work to reach the quota.
50 million euro... kek.. fucking retards...
Ludwig II wasted his family fortune that they had accumulated for 600 years...
he did it while fucking in the ass Richard Wagner.. because he was a miserable homosexual...
I am so ashamed that wagner group took its name from a gay composer who was sucking king dick for gibs...
ps. I was in that castle and it is magnificent.. all of you should visit...
also you beloved nazis used it as a storage for all stollen arts and other loot.. when they lost they was ordered to blow it up.. and refused to do so...
There are plenty of people in the world with enough money to build castles and cool shit. But you get retards like Penn Juliet who build homes that a 5 year could old design.
This homosexual probably still watches movies which are $200mil budget to watch naggers pretending to be superheroes. But for physical works of beauty suddenly all the money is gone? He’d rather see disgusting uninspiring brutalist monstrosities which do not cause a sense of awe and wonder.
You've already shared this thread yesterday, featuring the same image, accompanied by an identical caption and text. The only difference now is the addition of a Finnish flag. Are you incapable of presenting something more creative or unique?
That castle didn't cost $50m to make.
$2m is closer to it for labour and materials.
Thing is though, it was made to be pretty.
Modern buildings are not made to be pretty. They're made to be dirt cheap to build, and then through the scam that is ~~*evaluation*~~ get sold for over four times their real market value.
>why aren't we building castles in the 21st century?
is he retarded?
The equivalent to a castle would be easy permits for bunkers and stockpiles of explosives.
So yes we are not allowed to.
this castle was build way past their practical use as defensive structures. It is purely aesthetic and would be useless during a siege even if it were in the middle ages.
Even less people had that kind of money back when this castle was built, undoubtedly by someone with more money than most people. People with this kind of money still exist, however most of them are israeli and hate this type of architecture therefore you don't see it any more. Idiots response is stupid, the reason no one builds these isn't lack of funds or lack of wealthy, it's an overabundance of israeli wealth that results in problems like losing your cultures architecture.
>Even less people had that kind of money back when this castle was built, undoubtedly by someone with more money than most people.
you don't know that castle and who built it???
some people do though, they could build cool stuff instead of spending their money on child prostitutes on epstein's island, the real reason though is taxes, if you build anything cool the state will tax you out of the ass for it so it's just not worth it, if you're really rich it's better to live as a drifter, traveling between 5 star hotels that have professional caterers and engage in whatever degeneracy you can
Right. Literally nobody "owns" land. At best you're leasing it from the government (which hates you) and they'll tax you to death if you try to build something great.
Civil servants nowadays who regulate public architecture are generally the un-creative progressive type who type modernity bullshit is ''art''. In the past these people would have been influenced by religious orders in universities. Nowadays everything is secular.
Does Sawyer have anything better to do than respond to trad posts? Like maybe fucking write FNV2.
>today is quantity over quality
>society has become conformist again
>egalitarianism and middle class
>anti christianity/European rhetoric
>technology
Decent artists/architecture exists nowadays but it's mostly on the internet/technology
As if you need 50 millions to build this castle...
No...all you need is the power to feed about 300 workers and their families for 100-500 years, and the access to the local stone quarries, and forestry land. This was all built on stone and wood. You don't need any other type of wealth than just access to these resources, and a decent group of specialist workers like masons, miners and carpenters.
So as long as you could offer them a dwelling and food, work security.
Back then, they even had ''guild houses'' for these workers like ''gite des compagnons'' in France where they had medieval unions of workers, and were offered a place to stay, eat, all free of charge for work on these castles.
It's nowhere as expensive as you think it is to build this, if it were a national project, and you asked for volunteers, you would be able to have a project of this magnitude, using old methods, done every 50 years.
The problem is more so maintaining them and making them ''livable'' by modern standards.
Most of these castles only generate income due to their historical touristic values.
A nobody's castle would fail to achieve any form of revenue allowing you to sustain it, whether via renting or even doing some type of medieval museum.
>As if you need 50 millions to build this castle...
>So as long as you could offer them a dwelling and food, work security.
>stay, eat, all free of charge
Do you even logic and economics bro?
My simple logic is that you are thinking of these projects from a modern ''resource procurement and supply'' point of view, when really you should ask yourself whether the true construction cost of these castles isn't entirely different when considering other options or methods such as participative/collective job-sourcing and local resource management via forestry/mining.
50 millions is very far fetched and if you could procure the permits to build something like this nowadays, and simply adopted old local principles of lodging and feeding workers, seeking out volunteers without pay interested in ''grand oeuvre'' works...even if you paid for resources, and did not own them (say you can also afford forestry and prospecting land...it's not too expensive) ...You wouldn't even crack 10 million, and I am 100% serious.
Modern principles don't apply to work like these at all. But sure, go ahead and hire your local real estate developer company, I am sure they will bill you 50 millions.
People in the past spent more on things like castles. The wealth gap was far greater. 50 million today would have been worth far more in the past. Technology and engineering for building has improved drastically so a medieval wouldn't be worth much by today's standards. The point of the post is what happens to the art in building. Art will always look good when you have a society of minority intellectuals who rule over the majority poor with no middle class.
In the end it all comes down to being resourceful. You could argue that any man can make art. You can make pottery and ceramics from clay, pigments and oil for paints using flowers, leaves and crushed up seeds...
Back then, they even made bio-degradable paint from goat milk.
Resources are everywhere, their uses plenty for who can see them. To make art, that is.
It's nothing above the creative mind, but sadly, deep down, most are only ever pursuing art to seek out fame, or financial wealth.
Rare are the artists who create for themselves alone. Intrinsically, the value of art is subjective. But you do not theoretically have to spend many resources, to create something valuable. There is nothing stopping those that are willing.
In the case of castles, in particular. It's still very much doable, provided you are willing to do it.
I know of quite a few projects in Europe. There is one castle being built entirely collaboratively in France right now, using strictly medieval methods.
>You could argue that any man can make art
People say art is subjective but it's hard to honestly look at a giant European cathedral and say it's the same as an African hut.
I am saying that the value of art is subjective. Two different people will not hold the same work it to the same regards. They will value different things. There is some heavy consensus on some works of art. Most people will agree that cathedral architecture is beautiful and valuable.
But as you mentioned, someone with different values might walk past it and pay it no mind.
What I am saying is that artistic creation is very much accessible to all of us. And we shouldn't fear doing it. But there will almost always be a questioning of your own motives. Usually once you reach setbacks or failure, you will ask yourself ''what am I doing this for?'' For money? for fame? Eventually, those who truly love art will perseveres whilst others will stop when faced with failure.
So ask yourself, if you set out on a journey like the build of a castle, provided you had the resources, but could face failure...would you keep going? Or...would you need any form of recognition, whether financial or purely social...for what you're doing? That is truly, for me, the question on whether it's Art, or not.
tl;dr by the way : Ars gratia artis
50 mil would be cheaper than what anon suggests doing lmao
Lmao paying hundreds of peoplr and securing them for 50 years lmao
That’s hundreds of millions of dollars at least. Maybe even up to a billion
We do thing the way we do now specifically because slavery/indentured servitude was more expensive.
Slavery didnt end because of good hearts and morality, it ended cause the rich didnt want to feed and how and protect the retards anymore.
>Slavery didnt end because of good hearts and morality, it ended cause the rich didnt want to feed and how and protect the retards anymore.
No, it ended because people who have a stake in the system are much more productive. Its the same reason free farmers produce more food than collective farms with the same area. The farmer knows why he's doing it and knows any excess will result in profit, the collectivist gets paid the same either way and will only work to reach the quota.
we still build castles. they just look like this now and your landlord doesn't live with you.
poland-tier
50 million euro... kek.. fucking retards...
Ludwig II wasted his family fortune that they had accumulated for 600 years...
he did it while fucking in the ass Richard Wagner.. because he was a miserable homosexual...
I am so ashamed that wagner group took its name from a gay composer who was sucking king dick for gibs...
ps. I was in that castle and it is magnificent.. all of you should visit...
also you beloved nazis used it as a storage for all stollen arts and other loot.. when they lost they was ordered to blow it up.. and refused to do so...
>I am so ashamed that wagner group took its name from a gay composer who was sucking king dick for gibs...
that makes the name so perfect tho
yes.. it is very ironic... they probably took it subconsciously.. kek...
There are plenty of people in the world with enough money to build castles and cool shit. But you get retards like Penn Juliet who build homes that a 5 year could old design.
This homosexual probably still watches movies which are $200mil budget to watch naggers pretending to be superheroes. But for physical works of beauty suddenly all the money is gone? He’d rather see disgusting uninspiring brutalist monstrosities which do not cause a sense of awe and wonder.
Airplanes made castles obsolete. They used to serve a strategic defensive purpose. Modern castles are now all built underground.
You've already shared this thread yesterday, featuring the same image, accompanied by an identical caption and text. The only difference now is the addition of a Finnish flag. Are you incapable of presenting something more creative or unique?
That castle didn't cost $50m to make.
$2m is closer to it for labour and materials.
Thing is though, it was made to be pretty.
Modern buildings are not made to be pretty. They're made to be dirt cheap to build, and then through the scam that is ~~*evaluation*~~ get sold for over four times their real market value.
kek...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuschwanstein_Castle
>half finished
That's a big cope, that castle is finished
Fuck is that homosexual babbling about? Here in Florida I've seen much more pissed away on much less.
found the kike
Now we spend 50 million on condos that fall apart 5 years later. Like real men.
I wonder if there is good internet there.
Hearst Castle