help

i would like help getting a sense of fashion. i’m a woman, and i did not grow up around other people, so i have no internal understanding of how this works. most of what i own and wear are coveralls (picrel) as well as things from the army surplus warehouse down the road, so i have a lot of green/tan tshirts and shorts and pants. this is partly because it’s easy and comfortable and also because i work in places where coveralls are very useful. unfortunately i learned this apparently makes people think i’m a dyke, which is not true, and it could be making my attempts at making friends and being generally sociable harder, so i want to try to get different clothes so i am more approachable and less intimidating.

i’m 5’10" and brown, so it’s somewhat hard finding things that fit well to begin with, but also the fact that everything is either uncomfortably tight or really loose is terrible. i would like regular clothes that fit well and are not overly sexual or ridiculous, and also not cheap and fragile. i don’t want to wear jeans that fit tighter than my shoes and i don’t want to wear a shirt that feels like it is a hecking wash cloth barely hanging onto my shoulders. i live in a tropical climate so i can’t just wear coats all the time, but i have not had any success finding something that matches my goals. do you people know where i could go to find regular ass clothes that doesn’t look excessively sexual or overly professional?

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  1. Anonymous says:

    Look up websites like Vinted or Poshmark, unless you live somewhere in an island chain in which case shipping and availability will be ass.

    If you’re in a more populated area though chances are online thrift stores are used a lot like they are here in Eastern Europe and there should be a massive selection.

    also, post a pic of yourself so we know what we’re dealing with

    • Anonymous says:

      not on an island, but i live pretty far from cities. i can order things online to a PO box but it’s generally a hassle i don’t see the point of, especially since i can’t tell if the clothes will fit until they arrive. i have shopped at thrift stores but that then leads to the secondary problem where i don’t really have an aesthetic preference, so i gravitate towards simplicity and comfort, which has led me to be where i am now.

      you sound very /fashion/ already don’t change anything

      my goal is to be less intimidating or be more approachable. i don’t really understand fashion for the sake of it but people online have told me that they would not talk to or become friends with somebody they thought was a dyke and it would be really stupid of me to be socially cucked by dickies and cargo shorts.

  2. Anonymous says:

    to be clear, i would like help with finding types of clothing to look for. is there a ‘fashion type’ of clothes that are less utilitarian but still not visually aggressive? are there brands that make shirts that are not so thin? that kind of thing. i’m starting from zero.

    • Anonymous says:

      i’m not sure where the line is for that. i have curves, but at the same time i see videos of women who look like they are inflated balloons, so i’m not sure what people consider curvy or not. i have reasonably wide hips and my chest is not small. i’m also somewhat muscular because of physical labor. i’m specifically hawaiian as far as ethnicity if that helps.

      https://i.imgur.com/a3Aw4rS.jpg

      easy mode
      coveralls+coat/blazer
      green military top+jeans

      this isn’t going to work in 90 degree weather. as it is i wear the coveralls folded down to the waist half the time, which is part of why they’re so lovely and versatile. i live in florida. part of the time i work in a bait shop, part of the time i work on fishing boats. the coveralls help break the wind when it’s strong and i’m on the water or even out with AC when i am inside, but when the wind is calmer outside you can undo the top and wear it like pants. i’m very spoiled by this cheat code. i’ll still wear them at work but now i need to find things to wear to buy groceries or whatever.

      Honestly, what you’re asking is a bit broad. This isn’t specifically the question you’re asking, but no one is going to be able to find your style for you other than yourself. Even if being fashionable isn’t your goal, because I don’t think it is, to understand what you want to wear and how you want to be perceived is entirely up to you. There is a wild amount of different clothing out there for you and to ask strangers online who don’t know what you look like or honestly anything meaningful about your personality to figure out what you should wear is near impossible.
      Go shopping and specifically look for pants. I don’t know if you know what you’re looking for really, but just try on a bunch of pants until you find a pair that both feels good and looks good to you, and then you have some good groundwork because you now have a better idea of what you’re looking for, and low key pants are the most important part of an outfit. Work from there until you have like 3 pairs of pants and like 5 shirts and you’re good. Go to a thrift store if you have one anywhere near you. Try and keep things simple, so a pair of jeans, some black pants, and aim for shirts that are black, white, blue, maybe orange idk, but just keep it simple so that everything can go with everything else.

      i know, and i am sorry for what it’s worth, but i feel very lost trying to do this on my own, and you people are all i got. i went to a clothing store near me (tj max) and everything was very small or very office-appropriate. even when things are in my size, they’re so tight i feel like it’s a straight jacket, or when it’s loose i feel like a belly dancer or a cheerleader, neither of which are good things to feel like. i’m asking about things like pants, shorts; are there clothing makers who don’t make them stupid tight? is there kinds of shirts that aren’t paper thin and barely reach my waist? i feel like the clothing industry is plotting against me. right now i wear mens t shirts from the surplus because they’re thicker and longer. maybe it’s just something i need to get over but i really don’t like my options.

      • Anonymous says:

        What TJ Maxx does is they literally buy the stock from other retailers that didn’t sell and resell it for cheaper so that the other retailers have more space for products that will hopefully sell. TJ Maxx, Ross, Marshalls, and Burlington are all places you should generally avoid in your case, but I do personally go there occasionally because I know what kind of stuff I like.
        I don’t know what you have around you, but go to like JCPenny’s, Kohl’s, or maybe J Crew. These are all fairly affordable and you’ll likely find things there that people are generally going to be wearing. Maybe even just ask someone randomly that looks normal where they buy their clothing, or even better if you see someone wearing an article of clothing that you like, ask them where they got them.

        • Anonymous says:

          >it’s tj maxx, not max
          >mfw i’m tj maxxing
          kek

          the problem is that i don’t see clothes i like on other women. they dress in very tight things or very small things 90% of the time. the biggest annoyance is pants, because they’re all very tight around the groin, which means it will literally pinch me when i try to sit down or squat too grab something, or if it gives me space to move around in it, it’s either skin tight leggings or those ‘yoga pants’ that are loose at the bottom but look like a wet paper towel is stuck on my buttcheeks. it sucks. most shorts are shorter than men’s boxers, shirts are so thin you can see through them. it drives me crazy.

          Oh, I forgot to mention go to Target. Target might actually be the answer you’re looking for.

          i have been there, and walmart, tj maxxing, and burlington coat factory, and goodwill. i have (since new years) found basically that anything i end up liking looks like what i already have (boxy and loose and thick) and anything that looks different makes me feel half naked. because i’m basing what i want off of how things feel. i’m asking for fashion advice because i’m useless when it comes to shopping based on looks, so if i can find a ‘look’ that i would be fine with emulating, i can hunt based off of that. when i look at ‘black shirt with v neck’ i think ‘i don’t like how thin this is’ and can’t think further.

          target also seems to make children’s clothes in adult sizes 90% of the time

          Are you comfortable with dresses or do you prefer pants? As a guy, i’ll be pretty blunt about it and will say that if you have a good body it’s going to be hard to balance between showing it off and not. For guys it’s easy – you basically put on baggy clothes and who knows how buff you are, not so much for women because of how body proportions work.

          shirts are hard. i have a reasonably big chest. thin shirts get stretched out and you can see through them, which i do not want. tank tops would be an easy solution if i had small boobs but i don’t so they’re pretty much out of the question.

          i do actually like dresses, but it feels very initiate to me. dresses feel like the kind of thing you wear for somebody, but if i wear them alone i feel very vulnerable, which is probably a bigger mess about psychology that /fashion/ isn’t being paid enough to handle. i’d look like a stupid fishing in a dress though. i’m not cute in personality.

          • Anonymous says:

            Wearing boxxy fitted clothing is actually perfectly fine, that’s currently a "trend" but I see it surpassing a trend and becoming relatively normalized, albeit more niche than "regular" fitting clothing. It’s called oversized and it would be perfectly fine for you to wear baggy pants and shirts. I do this often.
            You don’t have to emulate a certain look, just find individual items that you like. This is often something people that enjoy fashion recommend to avoid, but that’s because people that are into fashion are into more specialized shit. You should be buying basic ass shit. Like completely plain t shirts, avoiding logos if possible, in mostly single colors. Don’t do online shopping because it’s specifically curated for trends half the time. Target is full of basic essentials which is what you’re looking for. If you’re big chested and not comfortable with that, then just get a larger size with slightly thicker material.
            Easy colors are tans, browns, black, darker blues, military green, and sometimes white but it’s risky because you can stain that shit easily.
            Keeping it incredibly simple is a look, and you’ll actually look fashionable if you wear things that are intentionally oversized and baggy. Getting oversized shit doesn’t mean just getting a shirt in a larger size, but getting a shirt that is made to be oversized, and typically people recommend Uniqlo for those.
            Maybe consider getting some cargo pants, that might be up your alley, but get them in person, not online. Honestly don’t do any online shopping, try the clothing on first.

          • Anonymous says:

            >go to banana republic
            >(a very silly name for clothes by the way)
            >they’re literally selling coveralls but expensive
            what makes these fashionable but what i wear makes me look like a lesbian?

            isn’t it a trend because of lesbians? i’m trying to avoid the association there. i would like men to see me as approachable as a possible friend or romantic partner without also doing anything that seems to cry for attention. i want to just seem vaguely nice.

            I see. Your best option is tropical casual style i think. Given that you’re comfortable with non-workey shirts that would be oversized blouses, high waist pants, baggy pants and top, oversized plain white shirts.
            To enrich the look use hebrewelery and accessories, makes a huge difference.
            Keep an eye on how thick the material is and chances are, you might have to look into mens section to get thicker shirts.
            Overall, tastefully oversized things, good accessories, a variety of pant styles and perhaps knee lengthnon butt hugging baggy shorts are the way to go.
            For inspo check 2022 Banana Republic Summer female collection (that’s unfortunately the only inspo that i got for the tropical casual style that i got).

            tropical casual sounds like words that should work well. do you have a link to this catalogue? searching that phrase didnt help me find it, just the website for the store. also, what is the difference between oversized and tastefully oversized? also, wearing men’s shirts won’t make me look like a dyke?

            also as a general question, is there any reliable way to understand what men see as slutty looking or sexual or erotic versus something seen as respectable or normal, but without getting to ‘mean lesbian’? i have no hecking clue.

            Also the business option from your pic is cute. I’d be personally be more interested in talking to someone dressed like that rather than other options.

            yeah, the other options suck. i’m not a professional type though. i guess. clothes are really mentally straining to categorize honestly.

          • Anonymous says:

            No, it’s a trend because people are insecure about their bodies. It’s not at all a lesbian thing. It started as a "boyfriend" shirt thing where girls were wearing their boyfriends clothing and it’d be too big for them, and then guys liked the look and made it work in a different way. There’s a lot of reasons its a thing, but there isn’t at all a lesbian thing. The lesbian look that comes from wearing coveralls is the concept of a working woman in a trade, because a woman that works in a trade is generally thought to be fairly butch and masculine, and there are a lot of butch masculine lesbians looking for petite lesbians. Workwear in general is going to be associated with butch lesbians unless you can wear it in a cute and trendy way, but that involves understanding styling and accessorizing with beanies and hebrewelry.
            Where ever I go shopping I see women in the men’s section. Often times men’s clothing isn’t explicitly masculine, it’s just often not feminine, it’s more or less neutral because a lot of guys don’t want to express anything with their clothing.
            Tasteful oversizing is when something is specifically made as an oversized garment. Like many different retailers make things and will label it as oversized. When it’s done incorrectly is when you just go up a size, because these aren’t specifically made to be oversized so it’ll just look like it doesn’t fit you. Oversized shirts are generally wider but not much longer, but the sleeves are generally longer and only slightly wider. Get a black Uniqlo U Airism in your size in women’s.
            Don’t try to find specific categories, just buy basics. There’s no reason to overthink this.

          • Anonymous says:

            >no reason to overthink this
            ah, but anon, i do that with everything.

            good to know the history behind the weird little style though. i looked up the shirt you mentioned and it looks fine. i will try ordering this. maybe it being intentionally oversized will come off as more feminine somehow. i dunno. i don’t know lesbians so i don’t know what their thoughts are like either.

            >guys don’t want to express anything with their clothes
            me either. i wish people didn’t imply information from how i look but i guess that’s unavoidable.

          • Anonymous says:

            Well they don’t have to if you just wear basics, and that’s the point I’ve been making. No one is going to assume anything about you if you just wear plain shirts and plain pants. Coveralls is going to come off as lesbian if it’s very explicitly only meant as work attire while you also aren’t styling anything like your hair and wearing make up at the very least, because if you do those two things properly it can come off differently.
            Maybe the reason people are thinking you’re coming off as lesbian is because you aren’t keeping up with certain things that butch lesbians also don’t keep up with, such as keeping your eyebrows kempt properly, not wearing any make up, and not keeping your hair in an actively feminine style while also walking around in workwear in a non-trendy fashion, because workwear is currently a trend but people will be able to tell if you’re wearing it out of necessity or style even if they aren’t in with the trends. Literally if you wore the coveralls and had large hoop earrings and maybe some mascara you’re problem might be eliminated depending on how you actually look.
            Keep it simple, there’s no reason to go beyond that. I overthink things as well, and maybe you can try to overthink simplicity.

          • Anonymous says:

            now just pair with black pants and a black belt with silver buckle and you have the most basic possible fit.

          • Anonymous says:

            this doesn’t seem like it would lead to my goal of seeming approachable and friendly

            >why always necklace
            it’s just an accessory and you don’t have to wear one if you don’t want to, don’t worry about it too much, focus on the piece you want to buy, see if it looks good on your bodytype.
            >why l
            just a flourish, if you think that’s odd search up hamcus lol
            >weird patterns
            they’re nice >:(
            >why is waistline above belly button?
            because it’s a trend, and makes for standout clothing. a lot of styles are done partially to stand out, and small things like that help.
            >i always find pants to be too tight because i’m somewhat muscular
            size up or get flared pants.
            by the way, just for reference, don’t ask people for everything because no one wants to spoonfeed, if you have a basic question google first and ask here later.

            >don’t worry about necklace
            okay
            >hamcus
            this looks like if an AI generated clothes and then people made them faithfully
            >it’s a trend to wear pants at your stomach
            strange. i don’t think i understand any trends so i will probably just avoid them.
            >don’t ask people for everything
            that’s a fair point. i’ll try to get my own sense of things, then maybe come back in a week or a month or so and ask if the ideas i build are fashionable or not. sure would nice to be spoonfed anyway, mostly because this is so far outside my natural strengths.

            thanks for the response.

          • Anonymous says:

            It’s simple. Dress in what you’re comfortable in – if you’re not comfortable your body language will show it and people will think you’re awkward/weird. If you’re comfortable, relaxed, confident then people will like that.

            As a general rule (men and women) – more exposed skin, tighter, shiny = more sexual.

            I think you’re overly concerned re looking like a lesbian – fashion (even mainstream) is much broader these days and the crossover from men’s clothing into women’s is higher. What you probably need to do is add some feminine touches to your outfits – accessories, makeup/hair (even say long hair in a feminine style, not a top knot) can make a big difference.

            All the other advice holds true as well – skincare, don’t be fat, look after your clothes, good body language, eye contact, social skills etc. If anything is more important than what you’re wearing.

          • Anonymous says:

            i don’t like clothes at all. the textures has always bothered me, but my nerves are pretty sensitive for medical reasons. you probably mean like, socially comfortable. but i’m socially stupid so that’s rarely true either. the best way to be comfortable is to have some sort of confidence that the way people perceive me isn’t an inaccurate representation of my person, so that’s what i’m aiming for here.

            as far as feminine touches, i always end up rubbing makeup off by accident and my hair is about chin length. i’m not super feminine in personality either.

            Well they don’t have to if you just wear basics, and that’s the point I’ve been making. No one is going to assume anything about you if you just wear plain shirts and plain pants. Coveralls is going to come off as lesbian if it’s very explicitly only meant as work attire while you also aren’t styling anything like your hair and wearing make up at the very least, because if you do those two things properly it can come off differently.
            Maybe the reason people are thinking you’re coming off as lesbian is because you aren’t keeping up with certain things that butch lesbians also don’t keep up with, such as keeping your eyebrows kempt properly, not wearing any make up, and not keeping your hair in an actively feminine style while also walking around in workwear in a non-trendy fashion, because workwear is currently a trend but people will be able to tell if you’re wearing it out of necessity or style even if they aren’t in with the trends. Literally if you wore the coveralls and had large hoop earrings and maybe some mascara you’re problem might be eliminated depending on how you actually look.
            Keep it simple, there’s no reason to go beyond that. I overthink things as well, and maybe you can try to overthink simplicity.

            my ears aren’t pierced either. this shit is beyond me.

            I agree that the name is silly.
            I’m ip range banned so i can’t post images, here is a link to what i meant:
            https://www.myfacehunter.com/2022/01/banana-republic-springsummer-2022.html?m=1
            Think that style but with thicker fabrics, accessories.
            >wearing mens shirts
            No it won’t in my opinion. You might look like a dyke only if you don’t have stylish accessories. If you combine that with the linked vibe, you will look fine.

            >also as a general question, is there any reliable way to understand what men see as slutty looking or sexual or erotic versus something seen as respectable or normal, but without getting to ‘mean lesbian’? i have no hecking clue.
            Yeah, but take my words with a grain of salt as things that i personally find attractive other guys might not:
            1. Slutty/overly sexual: anything that barely covers your skin (think cocktail dresses)
            2. Hot: tight clothing (yoga stuff/tight dresses)
            3. Attractive: various clothing that underlines specific body parts (crop tops/booty shorts/etc)
            Everything else is basically personal preference. In that case it is possible that if say a guy is into denim clothing on women, even if you had a slutty clone of yourself standing right next to you in a revealing dress while you would be wearing a pair of jeans and a plain t shirt, the guy would still pick you over the clone.
            It’s very complicated but the three key options that i described are what is universally seen as sexual

            Tastefully oversized clothing is basically clothes that were supposed to be oversized or are easily adjusted to your body. Shirts are almost always that.
            Just oversized clothing is when for example the sleeves of your jacket extend well beyond your hands

            so dress like indiana jones? that’s kinda cool i guess. thanks for the outlines on sexual/ness too. is my gut instinct that things like sexy dressed are like, slutty if i am single, but not if i am dating? in my mind if i’m wearing it for somebody specifically it’s socially different but i’m not sure if that’s true in your mind too.

            >t-shirts are gay
            >jeans and cleavage is business

            You have some incorrect, baseless assumptions and it is affecting you judgement.

            it’s the pictures that are gay

          • Anonymous says:

            >so dress like indiana jones?
            Not…really. Damn, i really have no other examples for what i mean.
            You also don’t have to stick to earthy tones.
            In guys minds it doesn’t matter who you dress for. If someone wearing a cocktail dress with a cleavage, they’re wearing a cocktail dress with a cleavage, we don’t see signs above women saying "i’m dressing like that for that guy over there lol".

          • Anonymous says:

            that hecking sucks. i hate that. on the other hand though, that’s probably what leads to guys hitting on taken women and then the men fighting over it, which is admittedly really exciting to think about even if it’s also objectively wildly selfish and pointless. animal instincts probably.

            if the goal isn’t indiana jones/the main villain from tarzan, what are you trying to describe?

            hi, i’m a woman who also has nerve-related issues with most clothing. i personally prefer to wear dresses and skirts because they touch my skin less than trousers, but i know not everyone likes that look or can make it work for their lifestyle.
            there are brands that make coveralls in bright patterns and colors, have you looked into those? they come across as more fun while still being functional

            >bright colors
            i don’t really think that reflects my personality. it would be like false advertising. i am pretty stoic unfortunately. maybe i should just get over myself but ‘fun’ looking clothes feel like things i shouldn’t wear so people don’t accidentally think i’m a fun person.

          • Anonymous says:

            There really isn’t much to hate, how am i as a guy supposed to know that you’re dressing up for someone else?
            It’s just how it is.
            >which is admittedly really exciting to think about even if it’s also objectively wildly selfish and pointless. animal instincts probably.
            And here is another difference: for guys situations like that are not exciting whatsoever. If two women are fighting over a guy, a smart guy is going to attempt to make it so both are going to be with him and both are going enjoy his company. A guy that is just into one of the girls is going to view the other girl as a threat to whoever he is into.
            Being selfish is good, better than the trap of faux selflessness.
            >if the goal isn’t indiana jones/the main villain from tarzan, what are you trying to describe?
            Middle class movie character MILF on a vacation + a bit of a casual core

          • Anonymous says:

            >what’s there to hate?
            i just don’t like the idea of being perceived as slutty. that matters to me.

            >situations like that are not exciting
            well yeah i wouldn’t want to get in a fight over someone either that would suck. it’s one of those things that has an irrational appeal. like i said, probably animal instinct. in a real situation i would feel pretty bad for my guy and try to stop the fight.

            >MILF on vacation
            KEK
            alright, not so sure i could pull that off. i’m not a milf (yet.) i’m also not middle class so that sort of ‘suburbia’ feel is strange to me, i would be out of place. fashion is irritatingly complex.

          • Anonymous says:

            >i just don’t like the idea of being perceived as slutty. that matters to me.
            Don’t dress in a revealing manner, dress smartly.
            >like i said, probably animal instinct. in a real situation i would feel pretty bad for my guy and try to stop the fight.
            For some women it’s a turn on, but there are far better fetishes out there that don’t put the lives of your beloved ones at stake. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging how something feels but it’s wrong to just go along with it and not think beyond the dopamine kick.

            > i’m also not middle class so that sort of ‘suburbia’ feel is strange to me, i would be out of place. fashion is irritatingly complex.
            Non tight pants, high waist stuff, thick cotton blouses, accessories, perhaps a hat with wide brim, sandals, that stuff.

          • Anonymous says:

            >don’t dress in a revealing manner
            i don’t. i’m just thinking about nicer dresses, and the line between fancy and exposing seems invisible to me. i’d just ask my husband at whatever point that becomes a relevant problem for me.
            >for some women it’s a turn on
            oh it’s not sexual. it’s just like, intense, and i like the idea of someone valuing me enough to fight for me. i’ve never seen it in real life so i would likely not react as i might to the hypothetical. especially when i care about the person involved, i would be worried for his safety.
            >middle class milf fashion
            i’m not sure that would fit me. i was browsing the catalogue and i saw a thread about hawaiian shirts. do you think that would look good on a woman as well? that could be an easy way to make ‘plain t shirt and cargo pants’ look more intentional, but i don’t know if it would be enough to make me not look like a dyke. even if its a little ironic.

          • Anonymous says:

            > i’m just thinking about nicer dresses, and the line between fancy and exposing seems invisible to me.
            A fancy dress doesn’t have to be revealing. Again, wish i could post examples.
            >i’d just ask my husband at whatever point that becomes a relevant problem for me.
            If you have a husband then ask him what he considers to be revealing clothes and how "dressing up for someone" isn’t a thing we can percieve. You might notice some similarities between his and my answers!
            > it’s just like, intense, and i like the idea of someone valuing me enough to fight for me
            That’s just love, lmao

            A Hawaiian shirt could look REALLY good, but be sure to color match it with other clothes
            Check this out as an example
            https://www.popsugar.com/fashion/Hawaiian-Shirt-Outfit-Ideas-Women-46426114

          • Anonymous says:

            >doesn’t have to be revealing
            yeah, probably. i just don’t have any experience in nice dresses.

            >ask your husband
            if and when i manage to get one, i will. if i was already married i wouldn’t be worried about people thinking i’m a dyke.

            >that’s love
            yeah, but demonstrated in a non-positive situation. love in a nice situation is one thing, but in a situation where he doesn’t stand to gain, but instead is risking something.

            >hawaiian shirt could look really good
            hm, okay. that could be a start.
            >example
            i’m not that petite. does that matter?

          • Anonymous says:

            I’d advise you to just starting gathering inspo (inspiration) for your look. Don’t make any purchases yet, start researching things one by one.
            I’d advise to steer away from fashion media (Vogue for example) as they are more interested in pushing trend rather than being your stylist. Look for general tips on what colors would fit your skin tone, what clothing would fit your particular body type. It’s complex but it’s fun and most info is fun.

            >if and when i manage to get one, i will. if i was already married i wouldn’t be worried about people thinking i’m a dyke.
            Eh, it’s alright, you basically need to fix your wardrobe a little and you’re good.

            >yeah, but demonstrated in a non-positive situation. love in a nice situation is one thing, but in a situation where he doesn’t stand to gain, but instead is risking something.
            That’s the ultimate sign of trust, but if the relationship requires such a moment to occur to prove that the person is dedicated to you then something might be wrong imo.

            >i’m not that petite. does that matter?
            In my opinion it doesn’t

          • Anonymous says:

            alright, i’ll try to collect some pictures i like, then build something from there. maybe i will make another thread one i have developed my idea of what to do. i definitely want to avoid trends. i couldn’t keep up and they’re usually dumb.

            >That’s the ultimate sign of trust, but if the relationship requires such a moment to occur to prove that the person is dedicated to you then something might be wrong imo
            probably true. i’ve never dated. i have no clue.

            >imo it doesn’t
            alright, good. i’ll figure it out hopefully.

          • Anonymous says:

            It’s hard to explain but eventually you’ll understand what your style is.
            There is a whole science dedicated to fashion, body shapes, colours and how to combine it all together.
            As with anything, do plenty of research first. It will all eventually click in, trust me.

            >i’ve never dated. i have no clue.
            I have very little dating experience, but even then some things were way too obvious. Like you understand that someone isn’t really going to value you as a person and are more guided by what is considered to be signs of loyalty or trust rather than actual trust. Love is complex as well, lmao.

            >alright, good. i’ll figure it out hopefully.
            You will. This place isn’t that good these days, but sometimes there is good advice around, but again, be prepared that most of things you’ll have to study on your own. But when you understand these things, you’ll feel like a whole new person.

          • Anonymous says:

            >science of fashion
            this interests me. something with measurable rules could help, even if it’s just about color and shapes.

            >love is complex
            i’m getting that idea. it’s not an optimistic outlook. people are so messy.

            >this place isn’t good these days
            most boards are suffering. it’s really sad. hopefully though there’s still enough soul and willing anons here for me to figure this bullshit out.

          • Anonymous says:

            >don’t accidentally think i’m a fun person
            i’m a very dry person irl with minimal social skills, but i still own clothes with weird patterns like radishes, scissors, and telephones. granted, all my clothes are more muted in terms of color, so it comes across as more intriguing than zany. not as many brands make muted clothes with odd patterns, but they do exist.
            it takes more than an outfit for people to gauge whether or not you’re a fun person, so i doubt you’d be falsely advertising anything.

          • Anonymous says:

            i guess. i’m much less concerned about pattern than how things fit though, and i have enough coveralls. i’m not sure if patterned coveralls will fix my perceived problem.

          • Anonymous says:

            i have gone looking for clothes on the internet. this ‘intentionally oversized’ thing could be interesting, but part of me wonders if people won’t think it looks stupid. is that how all fashion is like?

            i put some examples i found in picrel, to see if you people approve of this general direction. would this kind of style look fine? i also put some questions in the image because it’s confusing. always a necklace with that kind of pants? what is with the super high belt on the other girl? also, where would i find these kinds of clothes? i picked out hawaiian shirts as an idea because i know i can find a lot at thrift stores, but now i’m wondering if they need to be womens or if mens are fine for this purpose. who makes these very loose pants?

            also, during my research, i found that i always find pants to be too tight because i’m somewhat muscular, and they design clothes for weak people, which is weird.

            also, , if you’re still here, where do you find patterned coveralls? i should give those a try.

            also, every time i search for ‘cute coveralls’, i find overalls. is there some reason that people seem to favor the sleeveless jumpsuit kind over the full kind?

          • Anonymous says:

            >why always necklace
            it’s just an accessory and you don’t have to wear one if you don’t want to, don’t worry about it too much, focus on the piece you want to buy, see if it looks good on your bodytype.
            >why l
            just a flourish, if you think that’s odd search up hamcus lol
            >weird patterns
            they’re nice >:(
            >why is waistline above belly button?
            because it’s a trend, and makes for standout clothing. a lot of styles are done partially to stand out, and small things like that help.
            >i always find pants to be too tight because i’m somewhat muscular
            size up or get flared pants.
            by the way, just for reference, don’t ask people for everything because no one wants to spoonfeed, if you have a basic question google first and ask here later.

          • Anonymous says:

            hi, i’m a woman who also has nerve-related issues with most clothing. i personally prefer to wear dresses and skirts because they touch my skin less than trousers, but i know not everyone likes that look or can make it work for their lifestyle.
            there are brands that make coveralls in bright patterns and colors, have you looked into those? they come across as more fun while still being functional

          • Anonymous says:

            I agree that the name is silly.
            I’m ip range banned so i can’t post images, here is a link to what i meant:
            https://www.myfacehunter.com/2022/01/banana-republic-springsummer-2022.html?m=1
            Think that style but with thicker fabrics, accessories.
            >wearing mens shirts
            No it won’t in my opinion. You might look like a dyke only if you don’t have stylish accessories. If you combine that with the linked vibe, you will look fine.

            >also as a general question, is there any reliable way to understand what men see as slutty looking or sexual or erotic versus something seen as respectable or normal, but without getting to ‘mean lesbian’? i have no hecking clue.
            Yeah, but take my words with a grain of salt as things that i personally find attractive other guys might not:
            1. Slutty/overly sexual: anything that barely covers your skin (think cocktail dresses)
            2. Hot: tight clothing (yoga stuff/tight dresses)
            3. Attractive: various clothing that underlines specific body parts (crop tops/booty shorts/etc)
            Everything else is basically personal preference. In that case it is possible that if say a guy is into denim clothing on women, even if you had a slutty clone of yourself standing right next to you in a revealing dress while you would be wearing a pair of jeans and a plain t shirt, the guy would still pick you over the clone.
            It’s very complicated but the three key options that i described are what is universally seen as sexual

            Tastefully oversized clothing is basically clothes that were supposed to be oversized or are easily adjusted to your body. Shirts are almost always that.
            Just oversized clothing is when for example the sleeves of your jacket extend well beyond your hands

          • Anonymous says:

            >(a very silly name for clothes by the way)
            It’s silly today, but they did start out upcyling military surplus from actual banana republics.

          • Anonymous says:

            I see. Your best option is tropical casual style i think. Given that you’re comfortable with non-workey shirts that would be oversized blouses, high waist pants, baggy pants and top, oversized plain white shirts.
            To enrich the look use hebrewelery and accessories, makes a huge difference.
            Keep an eye on how thick the material is and chances are, you might have to look into mens section to get thicker shirts.
            Overall, tastefully oversized things, good accessories, a variety of pant styles and perhaps knee lengthnon butt hugging baggy shorts are the way to go.
            For inspo check 2022 Banana Republic Summer female collection (that’s unfortunately the only inspo that i got for the tropical casual style that i got).

          • Anonymous says:

            Also the business option from your pic is cute. I’d be personally be more interested in talking to someone dressed like that rather than other options.

          • Anonymous says:

            >t-shirts are gay
            >jeans and cleavage is business

            You have some incorrect, baseless assumptions and it is affecting you judgement.

          • Anonymous says:

            I just can’t think of a business environment where jeans and tiddy would be acceptable. maybe Buzzfeed.

      • Anonymous says:

        Are you comfortable with dresses or do you prefer pants? As a guy, i’ll be pretty blunt about it and will say that if you have a good body it’s going to be hard to balance between showing it off and not. For guys it’s easy – you basically put on baggy clothes and who knows how buff you are, not so much for women because of how body proportions work.

        • Anonymous says:

          Did you read? She’s not asking for help styling coveralls, she’s asking for general fashion advice. Like just what to wear to be approachable, I think she’s trying to get away from coveralls and also trying to understand why not to wear certain things.

  3. Anonymous says:

    Honestly, what you’re asking is a bit broad. This isn’t specifically the question you’re asking, but no one is going to be able to find your style for you other than yourself. Even if being fashionable isn’t your goal, because I don’t think it is, to understand what you want to wear and how you want to be perceived is entirely up to you. There is a wild amount of different clothing out there for you and to ask strangers online who don’t know what you look like or honestly anything meaningful about your personality to figure out what you should wear is near impossible.
    Go shopping and specifically look for pants. I don’t know if you know what you’re looking for really, but just try on a bunch of pants until you find a pair that both feels good and looks good to you, and then you have some good groundwork because you now have a better idea of what you’re looking for, and low key pants are the most important part of an outfit. Work from there until you have like 3 pairs of pants and like 5 shirts and you’re good. Go to a thrift store if you have one anywhere near you. Try and keep things simple, so a pair of jeans, some black pants, and aim for shirts that are black, white, blue, maybe orange idk, but just keep it simple so that everything can go with everything else.

  4. Anonymous says:

    bumping seems less obnoxious than making a new thread. i’d just let it die but i don’t have any confidence that i will reach a good outcome without some amount of advice from people and this is the only source i have.

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