Why are the hells angels allowed to essentially legally operate around North America?
Legal Club houses in most cities, yearly parades, and walk around in full garb, when essentially everybody knows that they traffic heroin and meth and women and have for the past 50 years.
Is there some history of them getting linked up with the police? or do they just get a pass because they're white
>they just get a pass because they're white
nah, they have to be "linked up" with corrupt politicians somehow, money is money, no matter how black it is
on that note, I know a dude that used to be a nazi skinhead that is currently a hells angel
it just seems like the last people politicians would want to link up with given how erratic they are
bro, do you know how hand in hand do politics and mafia go? It's not so complicated, it's about money.
mafia members aren't heroin addicts though
Even if they were (doubt) it doesn't make any difference as long as you have a nice fucking supply of money. Mafia makes money, politics make money, everyone is happy.
Hell's Angels aren't erratic, they're very predictable and stereotypical. You just have to know how to deal with people like that, and how to make them like you.
>and how to make them like you.
Tell that to HST. You're dealing with a bunch of snakes who can turn on you at any time.
They didn't just turn on him for no reason, he decided to moralfag when a biker was disciplining his own woman. All he had to do was mind his own business.
>You just have to know how to deal with people like that, and how to make them like you.
Well? How do you do it?
Yeah. Bandidos as well for the most part from my outside impression. They have an internal organization that selects out the erratic people. New members have to prove themselves to this whole hierarchy and they don't let mistakes slide easily.
>Why are the hells angels allowed to essentially legally operate around North America?
Organized crime practiced by a closed, members-only group that does not hesitate to deal violently with "rats" or *anyone* who would give evidence against them, is very tough for law enforcement to deal with. Thus in a structural sense, the Hells Angels are not unlike the Mafia.
Law enforcement must proceed by the gathering of conclusive evidence -- proof beyond a reasonable doubt. The highest standard in the law.
The answer to your question then is that it's hard to get sufficient evidence to prosecute organized crime. And, in America, you can't just "shut them down" because you want to. Courts wouldn't allow that.
they could not get Al Capone until they realized he didn't pay his taxes
Putting on some cringe leather vests and hanging out with middle-aged losers around decrepit bars is not a crime.
Drug pushers can and often are indicted of crimes, but there needs to be a crime. Just being associated with them by being part of the same club is not enough to jail someone, even with RICO (under which some Hell's Angels were tried and acquitted, by the way)
How is being a part of a global criminal enterprise not a crime?
when the politics are on your side crimes are no more
You have to commit a crime or facilitate its commission to actually have committed a crime. Being part of a criminal organization is curiously not a crime if you haven't committed any.
Just how it works
how do you know it's crime in the first place? is it because you follow blindly the rules made up by bureaucrats? you know that by the hells angels rules, hells angles dont commit crimes right?
The 1st Amendment protects freedom of association so you can't get arrested just for being in a biker gang.
the 1994 Violent Crime Control and Enforcement Act technically made it a Federal offense to be in a gang but that would quickly fail a court test due to what you said.
Because they have money, kill rats, and use b clubs and retard hang arounds to do dumb shit they know the cops will be able to get convictions on.
Drink with them and they might tell you all this. Or they'll just get mad you're not doing coke with them, can go either way.
>Or they'll just get mad you're not doing coke with them, can go either way.
What if you do coke with them?
>do they just get a pass because they're white
Aren't there a lot of latino and other non-white biker clubs nowadays, too?
only way to get close to one of these groups is to know a member. than go threw a extremly long vetting process where you basically have to cuck for every Full patch member. If even one member does not like you your not getting in. And they are Equally picky about whom they do business with so basically getting any dirt on them is a exorcise in futility. I know a Few members and i am not saying Shit more.
my dad knew a few member and even brought a new member his patch as he was travelling from city to city
This is BC canada and my dads a black guy (of few in BC) who used to be a gangster then became a drug counselor
>my dads a black guy
Give us some more inside dope. Don't give any names or locations or dates. What difference does it make?
I had some neighbors who were friends with a Bandido and we were all hanging out, and some new guy came by who was trying to get in, and he was apparently riding with them and wiped out and several more crashed into him. He was all fucked up with bandages. This banged-up, stupid-as-hell redneck wanted to go hang out at their club house but the more experienced member was like HELL NO YOU WILL NOT DO THAT, THEY WILL BEAT THE FUCK OUT OF YOU and that he'll be lucky if they forgive him, and it might happen, y'know it's possible provided he doesn't fuck anything up further.
I wasn't getting involved but lol
That, and the fact that they use lesser goonie gangs to do their most obvious crimes makes it really hard to nail them for anything serious. Your typical outlaw biker might not be a genius per se, but they are pretty damn good at getting illegal shit done while also keeping distance from it legally and meanwhile making sure that only the relevant people know what they’re doing.
Nailing them thus requires pretty damn hard work from the local authorities so that they can actually get a permission to do any measures that could help in making a proper case in the first place, like technical surveillance etc. Which is kind of funny, considering how everyone knows why those gangs exist in the first place, but the law is a law.
>Nailing them thus requires pretty damn hard work from the local authorities so that they can actually get a permission to do any measures that could help in making a proper case in the first place, like technical surveillance etc. Which is kind of funny, considering how everyone knows why those gangs exist in the first place, but the law is a law.
that's correct. the 1st and 4th Amendments have to be followed.
>>that's correct. the 1st and 4th Amendments have to be followed.
Did the israeli god tell you that, or just Karen the clerk at the DMV?
I've heard with MS-13 only a few of the elite honchos know the gang's exact plans, financial assets, activities, etc.
I remember reading how KK Downing said when Judas Priest made one of their early US tours in the late 70s, him and Glenn Tipton accidentally found their way into a bar full of Hells Angels and were like "Oh shit shit shit retreat retreat!"
Their really fucked up drug dealer period (60s and 70s) happened in a time when govt agencies weren't obsessed with drug busting as they got in the 80s and 90s. Also in the 70s were a fucked up time in general, people were getting away with a lot of shit. 14 years old would haunt NYC bars on the reg to see if they could score drugs and rockstars. The porn industry regularly messed with underages and flat out illegal shit. Bronx was fucked ten ways to sunday. The south was fucked. Being a pimp/dealer/sleazebag/gangbanger was simply not treated as seriously as being a career thief or murderer was.
After that they kind got too big. Remember they aren't a church or a corpo. They are decentralized. One chapter may sell meth or pimp his crackhead hoe but there's 10 chapters that are just boomers LARPing and trying to get some really bad sex with local trailer trash.