>he fell for the lern2code meme
who else is grateful they pursued a real career and didn't fall for the BSCS or bootcamp meme?
>he fell for the lern2code meme
>he fell for the lern2code meme
who else is grateful they pursued a real career and didn't fall for the BSCS or bootcamp meme?
if you had been a software engineer you could have made $300k+ for a decade and retired by 32, but actually probably earlier because your investments would have mooned letting you retire even earlier. so yeah, software engineers are the luckiest wagies in america basically and there's no cope that can change that
and there is a whole world of 100k to 160k business analyst jobs for people who learned to code but got filtered by leetcode hards. literally just learn SQL and python/pandas at a "just out of bootcamp" level, be prepared to work in a boring industry job, and you cant lose.
>$100-160k
cant speak for the whole US but my industry is dogshit (warehousing), my company is mid at best, we dont pay under 90k for analysts. 90k would be college grad w no experience. it could be we pay a premium to lure people into a boring/dogshit industry.
but half of our analysts are legitimately dumb. we are happy w the dumb ones if they at least try.
check'd and check'd.
I got laid off friday.
had a 160k base + fully remote software position.
can already see the job market is abysmal.
gonna take your advice and start applying to 'business analyst' or 'data analyst' roles.
the salary will suck, but if you're ever going to jump industries, this kind of is the time to do it, since the pay will suck... everywhere.
Kek homosexuals like that always have the worst advice.
L O L
Yeah if you were a LULZ larper but for real, then you'd be LE RICH.
Sad that you got filtered by Java.
i did most of the university of helsinki java MOOC for """fun."""" i didn't say i didn't know how to shittily code (as an amateur.)
I recommended that course to multiple people. It's what ultimately got me my starting job, as a nasty little java consultant.
We're shaking out the weak hands, thank God. All of these fags trying to LEARN CODE QUICK, gtfo
I wanted to code since the 1990's basically from the moment I first played a computer game. I didn't jump on a bandwagon because someone on TV told me to. I still want to code even when everyone says it's pointless.
brother do it, coursera + personal projects => six figures pipeline is still very real, despite the downtick. if you can combine your other job experiences and basic ass programming, you can land an analyst role in your industry.
This should be the main reason people code. Money is a bonus because limited people used to pass the coding interviews, and less jeets used to dominate the space.
But having the passion to actually develop things from small moments as a kid is what should've gotten all programmers.
i learned it because I want a web scraper, mow I'm obsessed with being a full web dev just because it reminds me of all the times I spent playing web games on newgrounds and miniclip.
>This should be the main reason people code. Money is a bonus
>dude just take a 50k programming job who cares about money it's all about passion bro!
No amount of money is worth wrecking your mind like that.
people wreck their mind/body for much much less
>No amount of money is worth wrecking your mind like that.
>If you've got a sharp mind, there are other industries you should be turning it to.
which industries? seriously, I'm looking to go back to school after spending my 20s in this giga jeeted field.
I'm already in the midst of applying for an "MS Program in Disaster Risk Reduction and Resilience" at National Taiwan University.
Other interests that come to mind are law or doing an MBA->networking->new career
What else should I be looking into? I currently make $250k/yr fully liquid as a software eng, but it's very unsatisfying otherwise. I really do like the pay even though I overall regret the path
No way you are going to achieve that level of compensation and benefits in another field. What they say about golden handcuffs in IT, is true.
>No way you are going to achieve that level of compensation and benefits in another field. What they say about golden handcuffs in IT, is true.
law and medicine definitley can get to those numbers.
so can management consulting.
anyways, my the prompt I was engaging with was what I *should* be turning to if I have a sharp mind. I'm open to getting some ideas
You probably won't get into those fields without a full shift of career and more schooling. Possible you can get into consulting with a short MBA program but you likely wouldn't get into the big 3 firms that pay that well. Still pretty respectable pay on the lower tier firms though. Down side is consultants work so many hours that the high salary is almost not worth it.
t. My wife works consulting at one of the big 3 but works twice the hours I do for the same pay
>You probably won't get into those fields without a full shift of career and more schooling.
I mentioned I'm open to going back to school and a "full shift" is what I'm actually looking for.
After my 20s in this career, I have ~850k accumulated.
One thing that would help me in consulting is that my undergrad is UChicago, so it's not a totally random place.
I want to know what
was referring to
>If you've got a sharp mind, there are other industries you should be turning it to.
It's not about what you want to do but about what you're willing to give up. If you're netting 250k yearly, at least ⅔ of it should already be in savings. If you've got kids and stuff, you're pretty much screwed. Education at this point is a waste of time and money. Just save up, work on your golden parachute and wait for the imminent layoff.
The only difference is that I am in Europe, so I was only able to get a maximum compensation of 150k last year. Despite that, I saved every penny I got from the paycheck. Right now, I am pretty much comfy, while the rest of my coworkers who have fallen under the axe are pulling their hair out without knowing how they will pay the mortgage next month.
Why on god's green fuck would you pick a career that can be outsourced to literal billions of wholesome street poopers?
Are you stupid? Stupid and ugly and gay?
All jobs can be outsourced to overseas poopers in 2023, outside of manual labor.
A desperate cope, and one that isn't reflected in reality. I have built years of experience in an specialised industry. Yes there is more competition now, but it's easier to demonstrate my value (which is real).
You can't compare real engineers to keyboard prostitutes.
The more you post the more you reveal how little you know about software, dipshit. They've been trying to outsource it all to pajeets since 1995, and failing over and over again.
Yes, software companies are a veritable paradise of established white men.
lmao
You can keep sneeding and sharting at anonymous frog posters, or you can reconsider your life and pick a better career.
>getting paid $150k to sit home and code for fun
no, I think I won't. Don't you have some super duper specialized work to be getting to??
>All jobs can be outsourced to overseas poopers in 2023, outside of manual labor.
Mexican hands typed this. Manual labor gets outsourced to illegal immigrants. And you get to pay more taxes to keep 'em.
>Outsourcing
This hasn't been a thing for at least a decade. Get a new talking point. The pajeet outsource stopped being a thing around 2010 when the companies realized the software pajeet made wasn't worth shit, didn't work, and they had to hire Americans to run maintenance on it. I started my career fixing that bullshit and eventually they promoted me to senior where I rewrote the entire application. Actually did what they expected without errors and at a fraction of the time. You can outsource but you're just going to pay an American 3x as much to do the job right eventually.
The shrink in postings is from fagman cooling down. They used to just hire people to prevent competition from developing on smart talent. Those people would "work" for Facebook doing literally nothing but money was free so Facebook didn't care. Not anymore. Now those people work at smaller companies for more reasonable (still high) wages.
Okay you got me. It's not technically outsourcing when it's the poos flooding in and taking the jobs directly.
You can cope and LARP about your white man exclusive WFH opportunities all you like. But the fact of the matter is that software and programming as a whole is inundated with cheap poo.
If you've got a sharp mind, there are other industries you should be turning it to.
and that's it.
You should be able to connect the dots here.
That's because nobody cares to sponsor an H1B for your stupid ass 60k/year paper pusher job. Tech has been 95% of American economic growth for 15 years. Holy shit, that's what people are insourcing for???
And here I thought pajeets were flocking to generic business degrees in India so that they could be low paid excel jockeys.
>pajeets are irrelevant
>no wait
>we need their keen minds
>it's not about cheap low skilled labor
>pajeets are actually heckin based for america
That's it folks. The ultimate and final codecuck.
There's only one guy wasting breath and mental space hand wringing about the eventual "death" of an entirely other occupation that's never going to happen since our entire world is proliferated with software now
and that's you, green with envy just like your id. Sad!
>Tech has been 95% of American economic growth for 15 years
Holy shit I fucking hate the pretentious use of the word "tech" to define jeets making smartphone candy crush apps. When people think "tech", they're usually thinking about space ships, or medical advancements, or HARDWDARE computer engineers
You will never be an engineer. You have no builds, you have no crafts, you have no blueprints. You are a homosexual man twisted by internet addiction into a crude mockery of the study of natural laws
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back engineers mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “fellow scientists” laugh at your ghoulish "work" behind closed doors
Engineers are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed engineers to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even code-monkeys who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to an engineer. Your work-from-home environment is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk female engineer home to check out your battle station, she’ll turn tail and bolt the second she gets a whiff of your diseased, infected "wfh chad" cesspool living environment.
Still coping. My company has a few pajeets and they're not even engineers. They're not even engineers. They're test engineers running a test suite where they hit a button and tell us something doesn't work and send it back to us to fix. Cope harder.
Why are all of those leafs on an H1B visa when a TN visa exists?
Because so many coding leafs didn't do engineering/computer science in uni which are the only degrees allowed for a TN visa in IT
t. leaf
Have you ever worked with these pajeets? They are some of the most arrogant fucks that will talk a big game and deliver bullshit.
A reduction in job postings is not a reduction in jobs. Still working in software. Still making nearly 300k a year. Still making you seethe.
Still overstating your income by 50% when no one asked. Still a loser. Still not having sex.
>Base salary 210k
>Bonus 15%
>401k 6% match
>30% rsu that vests over 4 years granted every year from a company that's never had a bad year in their 50 year history
That's 324k total comp not including medical, small manager bonuses, and PTO. You asked when you posted in a thread implying it's ogre for software engineers.
Cope seethe dilate.
>50 year history (implying not a tech company)
>claiming $300k compensation with nearly 50% bonus for a role below VP (a codenagger, no less)
make your LARPs more believable, retard.
That's standard. Most of that bonus is in the form of stock which is relatively cheap for companies to hand out because most people aren't going to sell right away. I won't tell you what company I work for but we're so interlocked with the American economy that the world would need to explode for us to post a loss.
Too bad my knowledge is so required and specialized that it would cost more to fire me and hire someone new at half the cost. I keep shit working that keeps the money coming in. Find your own cash cow.
>that's standard
i work in corporate finance at a fortune 20 company. our senior individual contributor code cucks are paid $150k. again, make your retarded LARP more believable.
Fintech sucks dick and the only people that would subject themselves to that level of regulation aren't worth the high salary. Cry about it.
?????????????
To work in fintech (financial technology) you need to be subject to insane sec regulations and security regulations that make development an absolute bitch. Want to install a dependency that solves the problem in your ticket that's been industry standard for a decade? Nope sorry sweetie, it says that the sec glowies won't allow that. Get to work on redesigning the wheel on outdated hardware. Fintech is development with handcuffs doing glorified excel spreadsheets and as such only attracts bottom of the barrel talent that has no choice but to suck it up and take that crusty dick.
If given the option between Google or ICE a competent engineer picks Google every time. But Google fucking sucks too. Don't work there.
You're a retard, fintech innovation has emerged as a formidable force in the financial sector.
Ah yes, the sector where you have to ask for regulatory permission from the exact people whose lunch you are trying to eat. Very high potential space, that one.
>Too bad my knowledge is so required an
too bad they won't give a shit about the short term cost when they DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY YOU.
you are in for a VERY rude awakening.
My team is the most profitable in our business unit which is the most profitable in the parent companies umbrella creating AI solutions that our customers pay good money for. You can cry about it. Won't change my W2.
my team was also 'the most profitable in our business unit'. unfortunately during an economic depression, businesses stop giving a shit about innovation or new product development; which, it doesn't sound like you need to worry because you're working on... AI.
>You can cry about it. Won't change my W2.
you're gonna dab on someone who just got laid off. fuck you. you're not funny.
You're busy trying to drag me down like the fucking crab in a bucket that you are. I'm making as much as I am because my product saves our customers millions through the AI features we present.
>Inb4 some no coding retard tells me how Stacie in product is going to fire all the engineers and create an entire end to end solution using chat got
If you work in software long enough you'll know that the hardest part of the job isn't coding. Coding is easy as fuck and I wish I could do more. It's gathering requirements from the brain dead product team that doesn't know what they want until they see what they don't want.
bro, it's really fucking over.
at this point, you fuck up even slightly, your ass is replaced with someone cheaper.
there are thousands of people lined up to take your position.
myself included.
> muh 300k per year
Let me guess, most of that is startup paper money that you can never cash out? I’ve met a ton of people who brag about their tech salaries but live with 4 roommates and eat ramen everyday.
See
I don't work for a startup. It's 30% rsu which are stock that vest over 4 years. I'm already over 4 years in here so that initial grant is effectively given every year because I get a refresh every year. Company is in the fortune top 20.
Yes but you can’t cash out your rsu except if your “startup” is a public company no?
You have a misunderstanding of what an rsu versus stock options are.
RSU means a restricted stock unit. A company will give you x dollar amount worth of the stock at the time of granting and over 4 years you are then given those stock. So say you are given 100k in RSU from a company that is trading at 100 dollars a share at the time of grant. That means you're given 1000 shares. Usually you'll get paid out quarterly so every quarter you'll get 6.5% of your shares. If the stock trades sideways that's 62.5 shares x $100 for $6250 every quarter. If the stock goes up the value goes up. The restricted part is that you can't sell them until they're payed out each quarter. At that point you can either hold or sell.
Stock options are what private companies give and they're more of a meme because if the company never goes public then the options aren't worth shit.
My company is public so that's not a problem.
>My company is public so that's not a problem.
You could've just said that you fucking homosexual, I understand perfectly well what an RSU is. "Startup" as you referred to your company usually refers to pre-IPO so the RSUs aren't worth shit.
Congrats on your cushy tech job, despite being a bragging homosexual.
You clearly don't understand the difference as you can't have RSU while private you dumb fucking negro. Public companies give RSU based on real existing stock. Private companies give stock options based on imagined value and they're only worth something if the company goes public. I work for a public company that gives me RSU. Don't be smug if you're retarded.
>you can't have RSU while private you dumb fucking negro
You are either trolling or actually a fucking retard.
I had RSUs instead of options at my previous 2 startups and they're still worth nothing because there was no liquidity event. Options are really only a thing for very early stage, nobody wants them because you have to pay to exercise so all the cool companies are giving out RSUs now.
You really should do some research or talk to people around you before trying to appear smart on the internet.
I should do research when you're the one that got scammed working at a startup for iou monopoly stocks? Ok.
Oh don't worry about my financial situation benchod, I'm just working part time for fun on projects that interest me. Some day I hope you get to experience that.
I have no gripes with how you make money and I'm not the one trying to insinuate that your career path is ogre. I just think your opinion is a little invalid given that you got scammed hard on the stock option meme. Before taking up this current position I got offered a position at some start up that tried to promise me "stock options that would vest when they were acquired". 150k plus "meme options" for a company based out of San Diego. Get fucked. I'm not moving to that god forsaken state and if I did it wouldn't be at those poverty wages cost of living adjusted.
I smelled the bullshit from a mile away. 6 years later and surprise surprise, they're still private.
The company I work for now is a household name and the stock is certified gold in the market.
I have no gripes either my dude. I was just surprised you would claim that RSUs are strictly for public companies after calling your mature public company a startup. It tickled my autism and I felt the need to correct you.
Sorry did I say I worked for a startup? Could be wrong since I'm phone posting but I remember saying that I didn't work for a startup. My company is pushing 50 years old with probably 40 years as public with a market cap over 100 billion. Far from startup.
Is starting your own agency or even making my own product a viable Choice? Just got canned this morning, the only difference is that I am a contractor and not a full time employee.
My guy you can own shares privately in a company and sell them to buyers. Just not on the open market.
of course you can sell private shares on the open market. how are you fucking retards this stupid
>private company stock isn't real
poor 6 figure nagger
IDK getting paid 6 figures for sitting at my desk and coding a few lines every day, is a pretty sweet deal. What better alternatives are there?
>IDK getting paid 6 figures for sitting at my desk and coding a few lines every day, is a pretty sweet deal. What better alternatives are there?
As all the replies to my comments have shown, nobody can actually name anything
it's all
>you're making $xxx? LARP!!!>
>not liquid!!!
>you're gonna get laid off tomorrow!
>pajeet outsourcing!
I have an electrical engineering degree and was doing EE for a few years. Hardware engineering, at least for my company, was burning me out majorly.
Did a boot camp and now my quality of life/work life balance and pay are both better than before.
I think bootcamps will only will be successful if the person doing it is already a high achiever with some type of technical background, is a quick learner, and is willing to keep trying until they land a job
>NOOOOOOOOOOO I WON’T BE ABLE TO MAKE OBSCENE AMOUNTS OF MONEY THAT PUT ME IN THE TOP 0.5% ANYMORE I HAVE TO SETTLE FOR BEING IN THE TOP 1% NOW
I hope these parasites leave the industry for good and never come back. If you wouldn’t be satisfied making $50k a year as a programmer then you don’t belong in this job. Go become a business analyst or whatever other faggy shit you want while those of us with actual passion keep doing what we love regardless of how much money is in it.
>just learn this glorified monkey trick and be replaced by AI
nagger retards lmao I will celebrate when codemonkeys starve and have to work bagging my groceries
See
>bootcamp meme
always been a cope. We don't hire anyone without a real CS degree
I did it because i have the most options. I can work at a shitload of places in most countries and i can even decide to be selfemployed or just do projects for fun.
And theoretically I can work in some meme job where I just sit around and nothing happens while coding in company time.
Just seemed incomparable to someone who anal probes the earth for hidden treasures while employed to one of a handful of gigacorps. Or similar occupations that can only exist inside of some gigantic entity where you will never be able to leave.
cope and sneethe.
levels.fyi
Thanks for the link anon. Love the cope on the thread that it's impossible half of my total comp is from bonus and stock when that's literally industry standard. And that's without needing to live in California or New York.
>first post: 8:06am
>16 posts by this id
you spent half of your work day, bragging about your comp package, to unemployed engineers.
yea, there's alot of cope ITT.
>inb4 but you're still here posting!
I'm unemployed.
Yes, I am still here. Problem? I'm working from home watching YouTube and shitposting on LULZ while updating a tech spec and waiting on other teams to complete a PR so I can start work on a new feature. I can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time, friend.
you should focus on your work.
or you're gonna end up laid off, like myself.
the only difference is you'd probably kill yourself; due to your obscene arrogance.
Nah. I'll find a new position and get a pay raise for my troubles.
no. you won't.
I learned to code on Codecademy, applied for a few jobs, and now I make $245k as a Senior Software Engineer. I have no idea what I'm doing, but I have to keep up the charade or else I'm going to be poor.
should I learn data science or try being a full stack?
I'm done with my career (healthcare in the third world)
Both.
Data Science w/o being able to code is worthless. You need some backend and frontend proficiency to deal with data and create visualizations.
>pursued a real career
Such as? It's almost as if we're in a recession and almost all job postings are down...
Hmmm...
learn2coder here
clearing $130k a year
not netflix-tier salary, but also not poverty tier
overall semi content with life
I won't be living in La Jolla any time soon, but then again I'm not living in Dothan, so there's that
The sad thing about coding (most especially during the '21-'22 tech boom) was that the tech salesmen were making out like absolute bandits while the code monkeys were getting ripped off by oversaturation. The stories you hear around here about $300k+ are those in senior positions and/or FAANG (faang isn't just some easy slide in and play thing either).
Now of days? EVERY college has computer science as overwhelmingly the most popular/saturated and everyone talks about it (hear about this from younger relatives who are in college). That's a sign to GTFO out of tech altogether and find something else before that bubble bursts.
P.S.: Get ready to be ripped off if you're about to graduate in CS. You'll likely end up with a <$60k job in this horrible job environment, all thanks to papa powell and co.
>peak CS demand was when everyone needed to convert their business into online-only via covid
OK seems fine to me
I hate coding so much. I don't know how people stand this shit for decades. It's hell.
took forever to understand why business people despise us so much.
you have to be mentally ill to enjoy software development.
it's also the same reason why we need so many non-manager managers.
You're actually mentally ill for not noticing how nobody needs you or a manager, when as a programmer I'm a literal intellectual god.
I create your product, and I'll sell it too.
>codecuck delusion
good luck selling anything when you're a 32 year old virgin who can't maintain eye contact or speak in front of more than 2 people without breaking out into a flop sweat.
uhh I kind of noticed nobody needs me BECAUSE I'M UNEMPLOYED.
and by the way, I am also an INTELLECTUAL GOD because I WAS A SOFTWARE DEVELOPER.
>I hate coding so much. I don't know how people stand this shit for decades. It's hell.
it's why you see so so so many check out to smoking a ton of weed and trying to get paid for as little input as possible
it really is the worst work, outside of actual break your body in the sun type stuff.
pay is the only reason I continue in it. I won't be taking another role in eng if I get laid off or terminated. I'll be switching and taking my time figuring out "into what?"