Hardcore and its sub styles is the most useless genre. If you want good sounding punk music, you listen to og punk, if you want music that's aggressive but still sounds good, you listen to harsher metal. Hardcore I'm pretty sure people only like because of a pose.
No. Metal is indeed aggressive, but the way it attains aggression is different from the way hardcore does. More often than not, hardcore will try to use harsh timbre to their advantage, while metal guys search for conventionally "better" tone.
*Black Metal mogs you are "path"*
I like it for the riffs. Traditional Punk although ig historically important just isn't really very intresting.
If you were into "interesting" music you'd listen to prog, hardcore is still simplistic music, there's nothing to break down or get brainy about musically.
Yeah that's why I said it sounds better, and why would you choose to listen to music that sounds worse if not posing for some kind of cred or something?
Basically, to me there are two points of appeal. Liking punk, in which there is better punk. And liking aggressive music, in which there is better aggressive music. It seems to be a genre that has no purpose to me.
I do listen to plenty of Prog. HC has that hard impact that Prog lacks though.
>If you were into "interesting" music you'd listen to prog
lol, lmao even
If you have long discussions about the musical techniques used in hardcore, you might have gone to SPED school
>listening to music for the technical aspect
you may as well listen to AI generated music
other than that, there is no reason to listen to prog when you can listen to classical or jazz, after all, most prog is just that kind of music filtered through cheesy dad rock
The reason to not listen to classical or jazz instead of prog is preferring rock. Very simple, but you're also simple, so this will be an issue if we keep talking.
if you prefer rock you shouldn't be listening to prog
prog is the opposite of what rock should be, which is why the punk rock scene was so anti-prog to begin with, if you like prog is because you see music as a serious art form or you are a virtuosism autist and again, jazz and classical are way better at that
Nah, only rock is valid music.
Thrash would be included in what I mean by more aggressive music that's better than hardcore. Really what I'm struggling to find is an appeal of hardcore that isn't done better by other genres.
To be Devil's advocate, I think there's a lot of hardcore influence in almost all of the bands that managed to be aggressive and good. Powerviolence is arguably entirely a subgenre of hardcore and boasts bands like Man is the Bastard and Crossed Out and Ceremony, who obviously inherit mostly from hardcore punk bands. Man is the Bastard is, in my opinion, a King Crimson-level act as far as successfully incorporating experimentation into their work. Ceremony released probably a masterpiece of hardcore as late as 2010 in Rohnert Park.
But why listen to that instead of better sounding music?
That’s why I put better in quotations. By standard convention, hardcore tones are harsher than that of metal. However, punk is a genre defined by making every flaw a strength, so in that context, it works. Another thing about hardcore is that it isn’t afraid to be dissonant and sometimes even atonal. Metalheads liked their tritones and such, but as metal got more technical in the latter 1980’s, it seems most extreme metallers wanted everything to fit neatly in a little box, tonally speaking. You can definitely hear the hardcore influence in early thrash because they weren’t afraid to just do weird chromatic stuff in riffs or solos, and the overall recording fidelity was of a lower standard. If there is any fancy atonal noodling in metal nowadays, it’s through the lens of “oh I was trying to incorporate jazz soloing elements” or something instead of just throwing caution to the wind and breaking the rules.
Spoken like somebody who hasn't explored hardcore punk properly
I like original 80s hardcore and haven't really given it much thought as to why and don't really care to.
Damaged is great though
>if you want music that's aggressive but still sounds good, you listen to harsher metal.
harsher metal doesn't sound good, metal's guitar tone is generally shit and the extreme metal is so edgy to the point it's dumb
Also, 80s and 90s post hardcore is way better both musically and sound wise than og punk
hardcore was born after punk went mainstream and got filled with posers, then the posers left to become goths and new romantics. leaving only the hardcore who liked punk left.
anyways, emo came out of hardcore so its important i guess
Post-hardcore is literally the one best genres in rock and what has keep rock alive with riffs
i just listen to what sounds good and make me feel
you arent going to hear about the good art because the system is so totalitarian these days nothing of value gets out.
OG Punk is for LARPers. Hardcore and its offshoots are where the sauce is.
I listen to all of this stuff. I don't know what your problem is dude. Get laid