“Guys I swear I always had dysphoria it just manifested as stereotypical depression symptoms that surely had nothing to do with the Fact I have no friends, an awful diet, and don’t exercise it was totally the repressed dysphoria that I didn’t even know I had until after I finished puberty despite the fact it’s extremely easy to sense whether or not you despise the changes your body is going through during puberty it was dysphoria please man believe me bro”
>wanting hrt because you're suicidally dysphoric without it
>wanting hrt because you like girls and want to be one too, then confabulating whatever narrative gets you access to the goods
glad i'm not as fucked up as (you)
my sympathies though, that must suck to live with
What does dysphoria actually feel like though? Isn't this one of those "what is it like to be a bat" questions?
I've been accused of being a repper on this board regularly and now I see my attraction to trans women and my fascination with trans issues as being a red flag, but then I'm like, shouldn't there be some sensation that is screaming at me to take my pills alice? Or am I just so used to it that it's what I consider normal?
I'm not looking to be pinkpilled, or antipinkpilled, I get enough of that when I'm not even asking and it's tiresome. Just want to know what this "dysphoria" is, those of you who have it, were you like "OMG yes that word is what I feel"? or was it like "but this is normal why do you have to give it a nasty word"? Or what?
>Just want to know what this "dysphoria" is
I think the simplest way to describe it would be that I found that I preferred molding my body a certain way, and that certain clothing, exercises, and activities made me feel less awkward. Basically I just was "fruity" for lack of a better word. I don't think any label or name you put on it really makes a difference if you just live the way that you feel ig.
So it's got something to do with how you present socially? Or not socially but merely physically? Like if you were the last person on earth would you still have it?
NTA, but yeah, we'd still have it
It's social only in the sense that human biology is social. It's wired to pick up on social cues, and kids pick up pretty early what social cues about gender presentation are and what they're expected to present as.
That's what causes the dysphoria, the expectation of presentation and the implications that has for how your identity is perceived versus how you perceive it. You may not even have language for it at that age, but I remember the moment when I was 5 when I first realized I was expected to be a boy and people would think it was weird that I played with barbies (stereotypical, yes, but I actually did play with them), etc. Social interactions are real in their impact on the mind, despite what most of the neets on here will tell you.
For me dysphoria largely manifested as depersonalization and dissociation. I just kind of felt like my body and my life weren't mine, like I wasn't a person but something formless and nameless animating my body to trudge through my daily tasks until I could be left alone. I didn't care about myself and I didn't have plans for the future that weren't a vague inkling towards suicide. I also had more traditional stuff going on, like a revulsion to my body and a really severe struggle with being a "man", though it took me ages and ages to connect those to some kind of gender incongruity despite pretty regularly daydreaming about being a girl in my youth. I just thought that it was *obviously* worse to be a man and everyone kind of felt similar
Yeah same feelings down to a T. At some point you look into the mirror and notice that thing is supposed to be you but you're not really it. It's just a thing that exists. You can't related to that, how other people see you, how you feel when you notice your body.
Dysphoria is pretty much "a persistent, general depression or malaise," and gender dysphoria is much "a case of dysphoria where the major contributing factor is probably a mismatch between currently expressed gender/primary or secondary sexual traits and the desired gender/primary or secondary sexual traits."
Do you feel bad? Has it been persistent or recurring for enough time that you suspect it would continue as such indefinitely, absent intervention? Do you believe changing the expression of your gender/primary or secondary sexual traits would help change that? Have you tried changing the expression of your gender/primary or secondary sexual traits and realized improves in your condition of general depression or malaise that you attribute to the change?
Congratulations, you could probably walk in a [not-shitty] psychologist's or psychiatrist's office and get a diagnosis of gender dysphoria.
The type of feelings of persistent, general depression or malaise are commonly identical to conventional depression, like anhedonia, numbness, or perceived pain without a physical cause. But sometimes they have a "gender-related" spice to them, like a feeling of dissociation from the identity you currently express with respect to gender/primary or secondary sexual traits (e.g. not giving a fuck about gender norms, other than feeling pressured by society to do it; up to more extreme experiences like actively wanting to remove your primary sexual traits due to dissociation), or a feeling of pain or displeasure when others treat you in accordance with your "expected" gender/sexual traits.
Determining that changing the expressed gender/sexual traits would likely aid your feelings of dysphoria is a bit more nuanced. If you have the "gender-related" feelings of dysphoria, that's a stronger indicator. If you just have the general feelings that are identical to conventional depression, then you pretty much need to "try fixing it with changes and see if they help."
I feel incredibly uncomfortable in men's spaces
Men at work group up and gawking at women while talking about them and talking shit to each other makes me extremely uncomfortable
I absolutely hate how I look with short hair. I love how I look in makeup. I would 100% give up the use of my dick over losing my hair (and I did).
I'm a follower, not a leader. A natural sub.
I really enjoy cute things and I find excessive violence and gore in media extremely tacky.
I don't know. It's a series of things that just tell you that you are not a man. That even having a dick, you are just NOT a man. You don't even like men - they're gross, crude, violent, break shit for fun, and a large majority straight up get off on hurting people physically or emotionally, and you don't relate to any of that shit - you just like dick and cum. So you occasionally have to put up with it.
But be a part of it? Not for me.
Sounds like a fetish.
This, with social stuff, it's usually little things and has to do with highly gendered interactions because either it's the case that we become socially ostracized (and you can sense this even without knowing it's dysphoria, happens to a lot of trans people), or it's the case that we're misgendered.
That's not the only aspect of it, I'd like to emphasize, it's just the one that recurs the most, because a lot of us also learn to stop listening to our body and dissociate from it, especially post-puberty, because it hurts to exist in it.
It feels like being suffocated by your own body, basically. For some people, they react to that very young and feel safe communicating it to people. For some, it takes longer to talk about it or even become self-aware enough to articulate it (which is something that requires a lot of maturity if your parents aren't explicitly supportive).
It's definitely not the worst mental condition you can have but it's up there in terms of how much it singlehandedly reduces your QoL to shit.
I started exercising and eating right AFTER I transitioned. My mental health was improved THE MOST by transitioning. I live a very happy life comparatively now, which is why conservatives want to deny it exists. They claim they want our happiness but they really want us to be miserable poor bastards just like every other wagecuck.
Regular men do not want to be a woman.
Normal guys don’t, but Confused depressed autists that think they can become new people or fix all their problems do. So they cling to something that they never had and look for ‘signs’ that weren’t there
okay, let them do it anyways
only like 1% of people detransition, so it seems to work pretty well even for the confused depressed autists
They can do whatever they want, I’m just annoyed at the narrative of this being an intrinsic thing within them rather than something they could’ve easily psychologically lived without, they’re not like the lifelong dysphorics.
This except I hated being a boy at 5 and was a diagnosed with depression at like 10yr old
I was aware of the feelings of dysphoria I was experiencing, but I didn't connect them all and sadly didn't know transitioning was an option until it was too late.
but I would have shit like (before knowing about trans stuff)
>feel deep despair when someone complimented me for being a boy/man, my deep voice, how big I am, etc
>feel deep despair when someone talked about me being a man when I'm older
>sometimes mistakenly called ma'am/miss because of long hair and it just felt "right"
>would have maladaptive daydreams of living as a woman, sometimes just made up scenarios but simple (like going to store or whatever), or rewritten memories like being on vacation or something, but as a woman.
>would dissociate, where it felt like (photographer, this is my best analogy) I was looking through a camera lens, where it was clear, but didn't feel like it was me that was there, felt seperated. also, the size and distance of objects would be distorted for me (like some drug level stuff)
there are many other things, but don't want to fill up the thread. but yea, I was suicidal, and experiencing things like this for as long as I can remember
hahah funny dog. saved in my meme compilation.
thank you. needed to hear this today
i should quit hrt
im just not trans and never was
I mean to be clear you don’t need to be a true lifelong dysphoric to troon out you can just do it if you want, just don’t lie to yourself about the necessity of it or the source being some profound lifelong hole caused by dysphoria
I want to do it because im an incel life failure