>creates the universe
>makes it so that all the stars will inevitably grow cold, everything will dissolve into atoms, atoms will dissolve into subatomic particles, and subatomic particles will annihilate
>also, makes faster-than-light travel impossible
For what purpose?
>makes it so that all the stars will inevitably grow cold, everything will dissolve into atoms, atoms will dissolve into subatomic particles, and subatomic particles will annihilate
When you insert these kinds of unprovable philosophical assumptions into the working of God then I understand your confusion.
It's a proven fact. Everything will inevitably dissolve into sub-atomic particles. It is not yet know whether protons decay or not.
It’s a proven fact because you believe what you read about it, right?
Kinda like some holy text, right?
The bible has hidden codes in its spacing, and prophecies that came true that are provable with secondary sources.
Sure but good luck getting him to admit that the book he read that from is his holy book.
You still think we have any idea what’s going on at all. When will you realise we haven’t the faintest idea of what is actually happening in this universe. Every theory we have does nothing more than say “hey if you’ve got an object at this position, it looks like it’ll be at this position in a given time span”. And even then, these theories break down at large and small scales. So basically we’ve got some observations. The rest we have absolutely no idea about how anything works. We don’t even know what gravity is. We don’t even know what light is. We can’t even begin to scratch the surface of consciousness.
We know nothing.
That's just the current model the lab coats are working with. It's quite obvious that it's just a hypothesis. If it doesn't say it directly in the Bible, don't worry about it as it's probably wrong.
Remember, the Bible said the earth hung on nothing before anyone knew about space. It talked about about the firmament before anyone knew about the atmosphere. It told people to wash their hands and avoid common food allergies before either were known to science (washing your hands to prevent germs wasn't even known to doctors in the 1800s).
It also says multiple times that the earth does not move. I hope you are egocentrist if you claim the bible.
Bible don't lie lad.
>israelites don’t lie
Lol
Lmao
You need me to bust out the PDF?
what pdf?
israelites wrote the bible, putting your faith in their honesty in telling the truth is pretty retarded
Are we any closer to the sun than we were when the Bible was written?
What about the moon, is it about to crash into us?
People can be wrong about scientific models.
The Bible has never been proven wrong.
KJV or something else? I'm really weary of others
I go KJV as well due to some seemingly intentional translation errors and omissions in more modern translations.
NASB where it's at.
what makes that one good?
It's exactly like the King James without archaic English. It's the most accurate and literal modern English translation.
interesting, wonder if its cheaper, i would still want a version made before 1960 or whatever when they started messing with them with the schofield garbage and whatever that's about.
I recommend the New Catholic Bible to supplement your KJV. It is really nice to read and has really deepened my connection to God and stimulated my mind in wonder.
It doesn't have much to do with the Catholic church only that it was written by good Christians who are Catholic, some of the best bible scholars in the world.
I got no idea what's going on with the catholic church, but from what little i know it's very corrupt at the top.
from what i've seen and heard, american baptist churches are the next line of defense for keeping it simple and right.
Power corrupts and the Church has been under attack by the enemy for centuries, and this is the fruit people turned away from the church and slander it constantly. Yet there are literally billions of Catholics in the world I doubt you will find more devoted Christians than real Catholics. These are the kinds of people who wrote the NCB, which is why I recommend it. It has nothing to do with Catholicisim it is a great way to read God's Word.
I didn't turn away from it, i just don't know if catholic churches can be trusted with all the slander applied towards it, that and i'm not sure it's necessary when baptist churches seem fine as well
The pdf showing the bible is divinely authored using science, with statistics and other fun things you would actually need to refute if you disagree.
https://www.docdroid.net/R6I5wtJ/the-more-rational-worldview-pdf#page=
>But doubt comes to me so easy and often.
Here's how i view it, no matter what you think or feel depending on circumstances, acknowledge it as truth, god is always good
it would be the same way as doubting in gravity because you were drunk or something, simply acknlowedge it as truth and move on, that's why i think when people say belief it's weird, it's like saying you believe in something hot will burn you, no that's what WILL happen, it's the truth. proclaim it as truth not a belief, that's what makes it different, the truth is more then a belief, it's the truth.
Lmao
I’m not reading that
Bible chapters start at 245 if you feel like not being lazy
Sure but I don't know what any of that has to do with the fact that the NCB is a great bible. It's not approved for Catholic church, it's just a good bible written by faithful bible scholars.
Meant to say geocentrist so I’m not sure if you answered that or not. The bible teaches that there are categorically two worlds, earth and heaven. It makes no mention of Jupiter being a colossal “planet” 100s times bigger than the earth. It never says the sun is just another star or the stars are just faraway “suns”. They are two distinct creations as is the moon. What I’m saying is the bible doesn’t affirm 99/100ths of what science asserts through mainstream cosmology. The earth is stationary and “takes its shape like clay under a seal”. The sun, moon and stars are what move not the earth. The firmament is unbreachable etc. etc.
We can't even go to the moon.
What good would information about Jupiter be to bronze age shephers or medieval peasants or even us? Does knowing about Jupiter help you at all?
“And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:”
aka the only practical use for space, even today.
>Does knowing about Jupiter help you at all?
No it doesn’t but it helps to not believe what they say about Jupiter in the first place. Why give it any respect or oxygen at all?
Also you seem to have dodged answering whether you think the earth moves or not. Does it move? The bible is so clear on this - it doesn’t.
Would it do any good if you had a time machine to explain to someone in 1000 BC that the earth is traveling through space around the sun but never actually escapes orbit or moves in any meaningful way?
What if you knew every word you said about such things would be written down and translated into every language and be studied for the rest of time?
God's not the author of confusion, he tells us what we need to know about space.
> Would it do any good if you had a time machine to explain to someone in 1000 BC that the earth is traveling through space around the sun but never actually escapes orbit or moves in any meaningful way?
Ok so you believe the earth moves. Glad that’s sorted.
I believe it doesn't matter if it moves or not, I believe men can misinterpret what the Bible says based on scientific models of the time but regardless the Bible will be vindicated in the end.
I think it matters in that the cosmology one believes in directly impacts their worldview. The one projected by mainstream science emphasises how random and insignificant our existence when if you just took from the bible you would get nothing like that.
> I think it matters in that the cosmology one believes in directly impacts their worldview
How?
Did you not read past that bit?
>how random and insignificant our existence
According to science the odds of life existing here are infinitely low. Everything had to be just right. How does that say "random" or "insignificant" to you when everything is just right for life here and we're all that there is as far as science knows?
The fact that the odds are so low makes it even more random and not by design. If God created heaven and earth in an orderly manner unlike what science posits then there are no “odds” to speak of. God wills it and it’s done. There is no discussion about chance or odds which is nonsense if you believe in God. Just that right there undermines faith in the God of the bible.
You can have trust without it being blind, go look at that PDF
and this one as well
https://keystonebaptist.net/mt-content/uploads/2020/07/applying-the-science-of-probability-to-the-scriptures.pdf
we can use math to determine things, we do not have to go on "it's a book just trust me because your parents told you to".
god does not want us to be blind idiots because then we could easily get swept up in one of the many other false religions.
We were given minds to seek knowledge.
You don’t counteract “blind faith” with science or maths. You’re just digging yourself a hole which you will have to crawl out from eventually if you want to see clearly. True faith isn’t blind because it’s God who opens the eyes of those who have faith in him and not in their own knowledge or formulas or theories etc.
I'm saying people who have been deceived by the modern world and its lies of "it just happened randomly" can see past that if they use their mind and peer into what others have already found, or they can find it on their own, everyone has to start somewhere nowadays.
Not at all.
The odds of me shaking a bag of mechanical parts and a watch falling out are pretty low.
That's how you know if I have a watch, someone made it.
> That's how you know if I have a watch, someone made it.
Great! So there is literally no need for the chaotic cosmology of a shaking bag (Big Bang, expanding universe, galaxies black holes etc.) Which means there are no odds to speak of. God didn’t shake a bag of cosmological parts to make the heaven and earth. He spoke them into being and they were.
I feel like you're trying to make an argument of something you already agree on
In an infinite universe, of infinite age, any odds above 0 might as well be 100%.
How do I know these things are infinite? I can't explain it, really.
It's the same as knowing that WTC7 was a controlled demolition just by looking at it. It's a simplified simulation in your head, that doesn't work in the same math or language we use in the world.
We are futher from the Sun than when the Bible was written. You can by the initially longer lifetimes of the real people (not patriarchs who are probably planatary phenomons, going on other culture's king-lists)
225 days, 255, 280, 360 and now 365.2425
Moon showed up at the 360-day orbit mark. Was probably there already and we joined it. 12 lunar months of precisely 30 days.
https://saturniancosmology.org/
only 1000000 years left until this is noticeable and the bible is wrong. We can work something out in the meantime
*geocentrist
Sure, just making sure there is logical consistency
> It also says multiple times that the earth does not move
Where specifically?
I don’t have the scriptures memorised but give me some time
Ok picrel is just from a quick search
Add to that the fact that Joshua commands the sun to stand still not the earth rotation.
>Joshua commands the sun to stand still
This is Earth being knocked by another planet through electrical repulsion.
>the fruit of Copernican cosmology: earth pushed around like a billiard ball
I mean whatever way you want to explain it.
Thanks.
Where in Genesis do we find space and planets?
There are three heavens. The sky, outer space, and God's Kingdom.
>known
You don't know shit
It's just a theory dumbass. Scientist barely know what gravity is.
~~*scientists*~~ swear by dark matter and special relativity, yet not one of them has ever stepped foot outside of the solar system. And they got the big bang theory wrong. String theory wrong. The theoretical maximum speed of light wrong.
~~*christians*~~ swear by their magic israelite rabbi and not one of them has a single shred of proof
And yet here ~~*you*~~ are complaining about something that supposedly doesn't threaten you. You've been brainwashed by the Talmud.
Stars are angels and space doesn't exist.
>Your christian narrative doesn't fit my israeli narrative. Why?
They cook up nihilistic world views in an effort to prove moral relativism.
Neither of your statements have been proven, you don't really understand what they mean, you happily repeat them.
You are a moron.
Why did you insult me? For what purpose?
Accuracy.
Why do you try to convert christians to [current_thing]?
>create
It's matter. Go get a hammer and try to destroy some matter, you can't. You have to stop thinking beginning and end, which only exists in humans.
This realm is transient, God will wrap it up when His plan is complete and Jesus comes to reap the crop.
you're big stupid
ENOCH Section 4, Chapter 18 And I saw the vessels of all the winds, and saw how he adorned all creation with them, and the foundations of the earth. And I saw the cornerstone of the earth, and saw the 4 winds that carry the earth and the firmament. And I saw the winds stretch out the height of heaven , and they hover between heaven and earth that are the 4 pillars of heaven and I saw the winds that turn the heavens , bringing the circle of the sun and all the stars to set.
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Does a disc have four corners then?
Technically a disc has infinitely many small corners so yes, you could determine by measuring 4 corners on a disc.
see top left of the image
I see four quadrants, a sphere can have quadrants. But I don't see any corners, or pillars of Heaven for that matter.
>I see four quadrants, a sphere can have quadrants. But I don't see any corners, or pillars of Heaven for that matter
It is there but not visible at present low levels of planetary electrical activity. With a higher charge there would be a tree-shaped electrical bleed-off at either pole and the Van-Allen belt would be a visible electrical torus seen looking east and west as pillars (where looking at at tangent is thicker)
Those are the corners and pillars of the sky and are mesurable electrically but not usually visible today.
The rotation causes the magnetic pole to shift in the direction of the pink arrow
The 4 winds (4 columns) on the 4 corners of the earth create a magnetic vortex in the direction of the red arrow, which causes the Primummobile to rotate in the direction of the arrow
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man.... german mobile internet....
THE LUNAR ECLIPSE Schematic
partial (left)
Here Mercury moves in front of the Sun. If Mercury is at the right angle between the full moon, Earth and the Sun, a partial lunar eclipse can be observed.
penumbral (middle)
Here Venus moves in front of the Sun. If Venus is at the right angle between the full moon, Earth and the Sun, you can see a penumbral lunar eclipse
total (right)
Here the full moon, Venus and the sun line up directly opposite each other and between them is the earth. The total umbra of Venus is cast onto the full moon.
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JOHN 14:6, 6:56 I am the way and the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me . Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him - Jesus Christ
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Your low IQ makes my head hurt
I believe in God, I believe in Christ. I believe that faith springs from doubt and requires doubt, like Kierkegaard writes: true faith means embracing God in spite of doubt.
But doubt comes to me so easy and often.
Whether it's the heat death of the universe, or a single /misc/ webm of some senseless and banal human atrocity. Whether it's understanding the cruelty and viciousness of nature, or seeing images of birth defects and incurable diseases. How could a loving God create such a universe?
I have faith that Christ died to redeem us all.
It seems an impossible proposition, a senseless paradox. The doubt is profound and this is why I have faith.
"9Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?"
But yeah I feel ya dawg.
That's a tough verse, it sounds like it's calling you an ungrateful bastard if you ask god why
i think it is actually
It do kind of be like that though. Whether you consider God a person or even if you're an atheist and consider God the universe, fight against reality at your peril lol
That's some tough stuff, thankfully the lord is ever merciful in us asking him why things are the way they are, and for some people they actually get answers for specific scenarios.
Had a pastor say he's been filled with the holy spirit before and told people stuff about them he could have never possibly have known while he laid hands on em, so yeah, it's the real deal my man.
Hoping to get that sort of 1 on 1 conversation and info from god myself soon enough.
God works in mysterious ways, we might have a question on our minds and find the answer in plain sight but only if the right question is in your mind. No surprise considering God knows everything, even the number of hairs on our heads.
Yeah, i'm just waiting for the day i get healed of my mental illnesses like OCD and all that crap, being told in your head to touch a spoon and shake it on a pot 3 times to clean it and then thinking "this is the holy spirit" really sucks major sour cheese when you know that doesn't make any sense (unless i'm wrong)
That sounds demonic/external
We have a lot of mental linkage in our brains between the auditary system and our thoughts. You can "hear" the right-brain commanding especially before we were literate so could tie words to a page.
If something gets in there (demons, parasites, electrical beings, whatever) and starts commanding too that can sound like that while "they" are trying to establish a bridgehead.
Never do anything such extenal voices say. Tell them "That's a lie!" (it always is) and say the 23rd psalm.
Yeah it sucks and i hate it, it's part of what makes me think i don't deserve to call myself a christian and that i'm not saved, i get thoughts like that and telling me "you should really just give up and go back to your old life, you're never gonna be good enough to be loved by jesus" and stuff like that all the time
it's quite worrying actually and has brought me many days of anxiety.
Don't be so anxious
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
>For God so loved the world that he gave himself to himself to save us from himself
woah
if only it was that easy, eh?
I've got a whole text file dedicated to my horrible thoughts and questions and worries, i hope one day i can bring em up to a pastor and god can heal me through them, annoint me with some oil maybe to drive out whatevers wrong with me.
point being that just telling me words like that isn't very helpful, but i do appreciate the intentions, honestly i do.
I don't even like splurging my honest thoughts with random people like this because of how much it will disturb them, even in my local church i don't really have anyone to turn to, but thank you for listening to me, i think i'll shut up now before i ruin someones morning.
Get rid of that text file. Only record good thoughts.
Do definitely discuss this with a priest. You should find respite from such thoughts in church. "They" hate that. Don't be alarmed if it drives them wild though, it is still effective you being there.
There are quite a few people out there interested in this subject and interested in helping, especially once familiar with Jerry Marzinsky.
What is happening is "something" (plural often) is feeding off you. They introduce these thoughts to provoke and somehow gain from your suffering. We aren't sure why but can observe the pattern.
One interesting thing you should be aware of is they are not intelligent. They can lever your intelligence but have none of their own. They follow a pattern in these attacks and cannot come off it as tou get good at warding them off.
Just remember, "That's a lie!" Say that to them firmly.
Avoid all stimulants too. Especially amphetimines but even coffee is bad. The excited brain has fewer defences. Likewise other drugs and alcohol in excess. Tobacco seems fine though. They don't seem to like that.
Also stop watching or reading horror fiction. Stick to nice things only.
It's really hard not to have this text file, because it makes me remember these thoughts that i'm not sure of
it would be nice to find someone online who is an exorcist or pastor or something but man i don't think there's a "need help with demonic opression r us" online
i very much appreciate you giving your care in text form
I would not be surprised too much if i had literal demons hanging onto me from that life i'm trying to get away from.
you should start a plebbit on the demiurge.
https://4techmix.com/2023/05/23/social-media-platform-plebbit-switches-cryptocurrency-chains/
You are seeking the Path of God and the devil is trying to throw you off it. Don't let him. Many many Christians have experienced similar troubles including Jesus himself in the desert.
Do practice reciting the 23rd psalm and check out Fr Chad Ripperger and Jerry Marzinsky. Both are on Youtube still snd are acknowledged experts in this area.
There will be no heat death of a nonexistant universe, after his second coming Jesus Christ will rule this earth for a millenium, after which the gates of heaven will be opened.
The Lord gives, the Lord takes. He took teo children of mine, am I sad? Slightly, but he will reunite me with them once again. You don't believe in miracles and Jesus himself said the only sign we deserve is the sign of Jonah. What inctedible miracle it will be not only to defeath yourself, but your loved ones defeating death also.
Epicycles using Mars as an example Epicycles are circular backward movements that lead to loops. sky observation
2 moons Phobos and Deimos also walk backwards around the planet Mars
backwards
forwards
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THE SOLAR ECLIPSE Schematic (left side)
Here the disc of the new moon moves in front of the disc of the sun. A shadow is thrown on the earth due to the occlusion, the sun is eclipsed.
THE MOON PHASES Schematic (right side)
new moon
The angle of radiation of the sun from the black hole is large. The sun and moon are close and in the same constellation, the sun's conical refraction completely obliterates that of the moon.
Waxing Crescent
The radiation angle of the sun from the black hole is smaller. The sun's conical refraction obscures half of the moon's refraction.
full moon
The radiation angle of the sun is the smallest in this case, the two refractions are opposite and do not affect each other.
waning crescent
The beam angle increases, in this case the conical refraction of the sun covers the right half of the moon refraction.
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Suffering is very rare in nature.
99.99999% of life cannot suffer.
It would make sense to me if we were in a level of hell, or purgatory. This is not a holy creation, it only has that potential. Too often do I have to watch these so-called people drag the highest potential though the mud.
At best, I choose to see it as a test.
According to islam, its one of many signs of allah
Didn't happen. Fiction. Why is this not obvious to godtards?
You’d be better served asking for what purpose you’ve been lied to about living on a spinning ball. Your entire premise is based on bullshit used to discredit your belief in God. Of course you’re fucking confused.
>subatomic particles will annihilate
mass is neither created nor destroyedm it only transforms
because traveling as an open system ripping through space and time at relativistic speeds is not something anyone will do, its more like travelling instantly on your own lane as a jump, no walking around and life is about not going around conquering stuff by linking whatever you see, you need to focus on real immutable emergy, your spirit and the spirits of the ones you live, transmuted energetically into this universe as flesh and blood. pretty much this. energy is the answer for your questions, energy, its control and the owner's priorities.
His desire is the purpose, suffering is caused by us rebelling against God, rebelling against what is good
It was not intended to die out but now that the world is fallen it is living on limited time, everything will be destroyed eventually and those that wish can take part in the next life due to the offer of Jesus on the cross where he paid our debt
>fallen universe
abrahamic cults ruined spiritual understanding
>the projective material is mother and child
God/Father is ~wavelengths~ and exists within the universes dream (because it's alive)
'he' is a simulated aspect
arguably 'the mother is the single source' as ~she~ parallels DEATH
the universe dies and reboots ofcourse
~consciousness exists within dark matter~ : making a unified consciousness IMMORTAL and why again...
israelite ruined the world spiritually
the psyche (of God) = empathy:body / schizophrenia:spirit / psychopathy:mind
but can be optimized via source alignment to infinite concept... Christ, Dragon, Death (infinite concepts)
the psyche exists within 'dark matter' and dark matter is a parallel of ~her~ invisible body to his; he is psyche, she is psychology
invisible quantifiables
All your observations of my creation have so far been done from within the solar system. All theories and models are based on that perspective. When you eventually put multiple sensors outside the solar system -- unaffected by atmospheric filters, interplanetary dust and objects and most of all, the light-altering plasma and dust near and in the heliosheath -- you will discover the true color, age and nature of the stars and the universe. This discovery will shatter your notion of black holes. You will find it more interesting. You will be content in the limitations that will be revealed. You will stand in awe again and the womb of thy mother will no longer be barren.
you aren't God homosexual
Your name starts with a P. You have two sisters.
I walked the paths of God... you can only parallel understanding; the 'base' of which to do this is ~as the entire universe~ but God is 'outside' of time(space) as he exists within the universes dream... you aren't God
only israelite promote such shit
the 'closest' you can be is like me; the universe as a creator
>makes it so that all the stars will inevitably grow cold, everything will dissolve into atoms, atoms will dissolve into subatomic particles, and subatomic particles will annihilate
after heat death when all energy is in the form of photons, all time intervals and distances will be mathematically equivalent (since photons don't experience space or time) and a new big bang will happen
>also, makes faster-than-light travel impossible
you won't feel time passing when you fly close to lightspeed during interstellar travel, you could get to alpha centauri in a second