>Then why do bad things continue to happen for 2,000 years after Jesus’s death,
Because of human sinfulness. >and no divine intervention, and no prayers answered?
How do you know how much or how little God restrains the evil of the world? I think plenty of people would tell you that they have had their requests granted. Sometimes the answer to a prayer is "no," however. >Sounds like God does ignore evil and let’s it run rampant.
When I say ignore, I mean in the sense of punishment. All men will be judged, and all men who remain in their sins, without the propitiation of Christ, will be sentenced as they deserve.
>Sometimes the answer to a prayer is "no," however.
Walk into a children’s cancer hospital and pray to God to cure them all that day. He will answer “no” every time.
Your God is a fake, worthless, pile of shit.
1 year ago
Anonymous
That emotional appeal makes a certain sense if children are made in God's image, but if they're just a randomized protoplasmic soup on legs, who cares? Why should I care about something that is nothing more than atoms being scattered?
1 year ago
Anonymous
That’s right, you’ve finally come to understand reality.
1 year ago
Anonymous
So there's no reason to care about children dying of cancer
Well you're absolutely right, nonetheless God knows the outcome of our choices. So if he chooses to make a person that he knows will do evil, he is the source of that evil.
Just as if I make a chemical concussion then I know will blow up, and it destroys property, I am at fault for creating the chemical concoction that I knew would blow up.
>So if he chooses to make a person that he knows will do evil, he is the source of that evil.
How is He responsible for your choices?
1 year ago
Anonymous
But you’re a Christian. You say God answers your prayers. Yet you won’t pray to heal children in hospital, because you know it won’t work, you know it’s bullshit.
1 year ago
Anonymous
God answers my prayers as He wills. My prayer is not a magic spell nor do I have a right to command God.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>How is He responsible for your choices?
Well I just explained it. Having created somebody who will ultimately choose to do evil, makes him liable for that evil. He does not have to create a person that he knows will do evil.
If I was somehow psychic or something, and I bred a dog that I knew would ultimately bite and kill somebody, it is my fault for breeding the dog and having such knowledge. Even though it's the dog that decides to do the action.
But God did create evil. Let's say I made a chemical concoction that I knew was going to blow up. When it blows up, it's my fault for creating that chemical concoction that was destined to blow up.
Well you're absolutely right, nonetheless God knows the outcome of our choices. So if he chooses to make a person that he knows will do evil, he is the source of that evil.
Just as if I make a chemical concussion then I know will blow up, and it destroys property, I am at fault for creating the chemical concoction that I knew would blow up.
2 more weeks, Jesus is going to fly out of the sky and save the day!
Right Christbros? Are you with me?
1 year ago
Anonymous
The Lord will return there's no doubt about that but first His Church will conquer the world in His name.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>His Church will conquer the world in His name.
Christianity is on the decline.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Said Diocletian
>How is He responsible for your choices?
Well I just explained it. Having created somebody who will ultimately choose to do evil, makes him liable for that evil. He does not have to create a person that he knows will do evil.
If I was somehow psychic or something, and I bred a dog that I knew would ultimately bite and kill somebody, it is my fault for breeding the dog and having such knowledge. Even though it's the dog that decides to do the action.
>He does not have to create a person that he knows will do evil.
But He didn't do the evil. He doesn't have to make you, He also doesn't have to not make you. How does your evil choice fall on God? >If I was somehow psychic or something, and I bred a dog that I knew would ultimately bite and kill somebody, it is my fault
Does not follow
1 year ago
Anonymous
>But He didn't do the evil. He doesn't have to make you
Well right, just as I wouldn't make the dog bite somebody. But if I had the knowledge that the dog I'm breeding would bite and kill somebody, it would be my fault for continuing the breeding process.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Did you bite the person?
1 year ago
Anonymous
No the dog did. And if I had full knowledge that breeding that dog would result in that, it would be my fault. Are you suggesting it would not be my fault for breeding a dog that I know will kill somebody?
1 year ago
Anonymous
So you breed the dog -> dog bites someone =/= you bit someone, but God makes you -> you did evil = God did evil?
1 year ago
Anonymous
You seem to purposefully be discarding the important variable of me having the foreknowledge that the dog would kill somebody. Yes, if I bred a dog that I had foreknowledge would kill somebody, it would be my fault for breeding that dog when I didn't have to. Yes, even though it would be the dog's choice to do the killing.
For anybody watching this conversation, this is an example of how Christians lie on a daily basis and try to deceive people. They're so used to lying and deceiving others that they don't even realize that it's their entire being. He knows full well what I'm saying, but he's purposely misrepresenting what I'm saying to try and lie some more.
1 year ago
Anonymous
What do you mean by "at fault", you mean you could take God to court? Lol
You see anon, we are sinners. We are all on a level playing field and have an equal duty to each other, and we do not have knowledge like God has. God has a right and is just to judge us for our sins, and even that we are permitted to exist in this world at all is grace and mercy. He also often merciful to restrain evil or even to permit some evils in this fallen world since they may prevent greater evils, perhaps God will allow a gangbanger to act on the evil in his heart and murder an innocent, and perhaps that innocent would have gone on to commit genocide. >this is an example of how Christians lie on a daily basis and try to deceive people
That's an irrational accusation, but I wanna know why it's wrong to lie in your worldview?
1 year ago
Anonymous
You don't have foreknowledge, so it's a pointless thing to think about. People waste their time on hypotheticals that will never happen all the time, but it says nothing about what's real because it's based on things that will never be true. It's like saying, if I had a mathematical proof that [something false] is true, what would be the ramifications? And then literally obsessing over that. It doesn't matter because that's simply not how things are to begin with.
I see this behavior all the time, but it has never made sense. It's not the same as abstract thinking, it's just obsessing over an untrue scenario because I guess that scenario helps justify some wrong belief rather than confront it.
>trust no one not even yourself
t. Yahweh
If God simply ignored evil, then he would not be just.
Then why do bad things continue to happen for 2,000 years after Jesus’s death, and no divine intervention, and no prayers answered?
Sounds like God does ignore evil and let’s it run rampant.
>Then why do bad things continue to happen for 2,000 years after Jesus’s death,
Because of human sinfulness.
>and no divine intervention, and no prayers answered?
How do you know how much or how little God restrains the evil of the world? I think plenty of people would tell you that they have had their requests granted. Sometimes the answer to a prayer is "no," however.
>Sounds like God does ignore evil and let’s it run rampant.
When I say ignore, I mean in the sense of punishment. All men will be judged, and all men who remain in their sins, without the propitiation of Christ, will be sentenced as they deserve.
>Sometimes the answer to a prayer is "no," however.
Walk into a children’s cancer hospital and pray to God to cure them all that day. He will answer “no” every time.
Your God is a fake, worthless, pile of shit.
That emotional appeal makes a certain sense if children are made in God's image, but if they're just a randomized protoplasmic soup on legs, who cares? Why should I care about something that is nothing more than atoms being scattered?
That’s right, you’ve finally come to understand reality.
So there's no reason to care about children dying of cancer
>So if he chooses to make a person that he knows will do evil, he is the source of that evil.
How is He responsible for your choices?
But you’re a Christian. You say God answers your prayers. Yet you won’t pray to heal children in hospital, because you know it won’t work, you know it’s bullshit.
God answers my prayers as He wills. My prayer is not a magic spell nor do I have a right to command God.
>How is He responsible for your choices?
Well I just explained it. Having created somebody who will ultimately choose to do evil, makes him liable for that evil. He does not have to create a person that he knows will do evil.
If I was somehow psychic or something, and I bred a dog that I knew would ultimately bite and kill somebody, it is my fault for breeding the dog and having such knowledge. Even though it's the dog that decides to do the action.
But God did create evil. Let's say I made a chemical concoction that I knew was going to blow up. When it blows up, it's my fault for creating that chemical concoction that was destined to blow up.
Humans are not machines, but rational creatures who possess their own will. A human is a legitimate cause of his actions, because he wills them.
Well you're absolutely right, nonetheless God knows the outcome of our choices. So if he chooses to make a person that he knows will do evil, he is the source of that evil.
Just as if I make a chemical concussion then I know will blow up, and it destroys property, I am at fault for creating the chemical concoction that I knew would blow up.
No, he did it to show compassion.
>to save us from
From this
Except that is taking over the world and your God is nowhere to be found. He’s not saving anyone from anything.
Jesus will win.
2 more weeks, Jesus is going to fly out of the sky and save the day!
Right Christbros? Are you with me?
The Lord will return there's no doubt about that but first His Church will conquer the world in His name.
>His Church will conquer the world in His name.
Christianity is on the decline.
Said Diocletian
>He does not have to create a person that he knows will do evil.
But He didn't do the evil. He doesn't have to make you, He also doesn't have to not make you. How does your evil choice fall on God?
>If I was somehow psychic or something, and I bred a dog that I knew would ultimately bite and kill somebody, it is my fault
Does not follow
>But He didn't do the evil. He doesn't have to make you
Well right, just as I wouldn't make the dog bite somebody. But if I had the knowledge that the dog I'm breeding would bite and kill somebody, it would be my fault for continuing the breeding process.
Did you bite the person?
No the dog did. And if I had full knowledge that breeding that dog would result in that, it would be my fault. Are you suggesting it would not be my fault for breeding a dog that I know will kill somebody?
So you breed the dog -> dog bites someone =/= you bit someone, but God makes you -> you did evil = God did evil?
You seem to purposefully be discarding the important variable of me having the foreknowledge that the dog would kill somebody. Yes, if I bred a dog that I had foreknowledge would kill somebody, it would be my fault for breeding that dog when I didn't have to. Yes, even though it would be the dog's choice to do the killing.
For anybody watching this conversation, this is an example of how Christians lie on a daily basis and try to deceive people. They're so used to lying and deceiving others that they don't even realize that it's their entire being. He knows full well what I'm saying, but he's purposely misrepresenting what I'm saying to try and lie some more.
What do you mean by "at fault", you mean you could take God to court? Lol
You see anon, we are sinners. We are all on a level playing field and have an equal duty to each other, and we do not have knowledge like God has. God has a right and is just to judge us for our sins, and even that we are permitted to exist in this world at all is grace and mercy. He also often merciful to restrain evil or even to permit some evils in this fallen world since they may prevent greater evils, perhaps God will allow a gangbanger to act on the evil in his heart and murder an innocent, and perhaps that innocent would have gone on to commit genocide.
>this is an example of how Christians lie on a daily basis and try to deceive people
That's an irrational accusation, but I wanna know why it's wrong to lie in your worldview?
You don't have foreknowledge, so it's a pointless thing to think about. People waste their time on hypotheticals that will never happen all the time, but it says nothing about what's real because it's based on things that will never be true. It's like saying, if I had a mathematical proof that [something false] is true, what would be the ramifications? And then literally obsessing over that. It doesn't matter because that's simply not how things are to begin with.
I see this behavior all the time, but it has never made sense. It's not the same as abstract thinking, it's just obsessing over an untrue scenario because I guess that scenario helps justify some wrong belief rather than confront it.
Only in the West. It grows in Africa and Asia
He made a pact with himself. He had to sacrifice his nice side to appease his evil side.
His "sacrifice" was leaving a shitty earth to go back to his heaven, lmfao
He had one really rough day, went to sleep for 3 days, and now he gets to live in eternal paradise. Such a great and noble sacrifice.
from ourselves
We are God.
The whole thing is the Cosmic Play.
Get used to it.