>I could never install arch linux, without archinstall
And I always have to because it never works >cannot find /dev/sdb in lsblk output. let's crash now.
You need wiki instructions to use an installer? Whats the point of an installer then? Imagine if ubuntu or debian required supplementary instructions for using an installer lol
It's less of a skill issue and more of a time issue for a lot. Unless you've installed it manually installed dozens of time, you'll still forget to do one or two things due to waiting for shit to download. Some people just want a functional system out of the box and will tweak it later if they have to.
Tried it last. The UI sucked ass, but everything ended up OK. The most annoying thing happened when the process would fail on package download and the WHOLE installation would have to be restarted. Happened a few times in a row, I guess the first few mirrors in the list are shit for me. Why the fuck don't they pick optimal mirrors right away, and why the fuck can't it choose the next mirror on package download fail? It's not that fucking hard.
So, lesson learned: install packages afterwards.
Otherwise: pretty good, because I don't have to remember how to chroot and mount and all that bullshit anymore (i had a whole stack of notes for that with steps).
there actually is no reason to use this over EndeavourOS which both results in a better and more convenient installation and doesn't break all the time
sure there is, convenient and fast arch installation with the desktop configuration of your choice, encryption, preinstalled AUR package manager and more
you just have an entire functional arch desktop setup in a few minutes and it just works
additionally, the installer is a GUI which makes things much easier (try partitioning in archinstall if it even works; it was utterly groken when i tried like 1-2 years ago)
>when i tried like 1-2 years ago
that's your problem anon. things evolve over time
I installed Arch with archinstall on 2 machines a few days ago and had no issues at all. and that was to upgrade their Endeavour install to Arch
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>upgrade their Endeavour install to Arch
oh yes tell me more about what you are 'upgrading' LMFAO
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>and that was to upgrade their Endeavour install to Arch
Tell me more. I am currently running EndeavourOS and would like to switch to plain ol' Arch.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
why?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because LULZ makes fun of me for needing a GUI installer
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
simply alias neofetch to the following:
neofetch --ascii_distro arch | sed 's/EndeavourOS/Arch/'
happy to have saved you the trouble of reinstalling your os
EndeavourOS didn't have keyboard, trackpad, or internet when I tried to install it on my mbp. Arch (manual install) unironically just worked.
I've always had bad luck trying arch derivatives while arch has always just worked. Ironic how all the distros and scripts that aim to make arch just werk end up working worse than vanilla arch.
mbp stands for Macbook Pro? well that's just a special case as it needs it's own special drivers and shit and you read a lot of problems about it online
however whatever didn't work by default on your EndeavourOS installation you could have fixed the same way you could have fixed it on arch, by installing the corresponding packages and changes to the settings, if installing arch manually isn't a problem for you this should even be less of a problem
its still bugged, doesnt work if you try to use luks+btrfs. also it doesnt use the standard btrfs format in fstab and doesnt use the right compression, so you need to change those manually after the installation. would be much better if they just used a normal installer like ubuntu
I installed arch in 2014 when I didn't even know what a package manager was
It taught me a lot. I couldn't figure out how to download software on linux before that
it was broken for a couple months recently. it breaks frequently enough. I had to install endavouros instead. I was going to try a manual arch install, but endavour just works...why bother?
Everyone should at least install arch once without archinstall. You'll get some compiter fundamentals doing it, instead of being mentally chained to windows no matter what you do after installing it.
installing arch is truly not that difficult
most people that complain are just to lazy to read the installation guide / wiki, man pages and forum entries
all the knowledge of the world is just seconds and a few clicks away and people still complain they don't know
You're delusional if you think installing Arch is not that difficult compared to using an OS like EndeavourOS with its GUI installer and sane defaults.
>You're delusional if you think installing Arch is not that difficult compared to
it's neither easy nor quick (at least not for a beginner)
but it's also not difficult
there are clear steps you can follow
there are clean options given you can explore
all of if is neatly explained and there is an abundance of resources if you need more explanations
Linear Algebra as a freshman is difficult
but installing arch is not
>try to install os >all useful help requires a working os
bahahahha return to debian and join the just works club instead of spouting "AHHH RETARD SKILL ISSUE RTFM" when your shitty fucking piece of shit breaks
>muh arch breaks
this is like a 10y+ old meme
arch does not break
at least not more than any other rolling release distro
with debian you're gonna have other issues
like about outdated incompatible libraries if you dare to install something from like compiling yourself
also it's not a "skill issue"
it's a being lazy issue
You should only need the AUR to add software that's not in the official repository.
It should not break the OS any more than 3rd party software on Windows would break Windows.
>arch does not break
really? let's check https://archlinux.org/news/ >2023-11-02 Incoming changes in JDK / JRE 21 packages may require manual intervention >2023-08-19 ansible-core >= 2.15.3-1 update may require manual intervention >2023-08-11 budgie-desktop >= 10.7.2-6 update requires manual intervention >2023-06-14 OpenBLAS >= 0.3.23-2 update requires manual intervention >2023-02-12 Switch to the base-devel meta package requires manual intervention
why do packages "require" manual intervention? why is this only a problem with arch? i can't remember the last time i've had to do a manual intervention before/after upgrades on debian or ubuntu
One problem per 3 months where an autistic Samaritan will post the solution 15 minutes post appearance and you'll copy paste to your terminal. Your skill issue.
>One problem per 3 months
lmao, this is supposed to be a good thing?
on ubuntu i have 0 problems per 3 months, shit literally just works
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
It doesn't tho. Outdated drivers and even missing ones caused me problems. And also look at the problems you posted the only "serious" one is jre/jdk because you are not doing arithmetic analysis to be here, aren't running servers on arch because that's actually stupid, most likely you're not using budgie. And it goes on. Tldr it's negligible and just works, at least for me.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
+you move away from windows to use a microsoft product? at least use another debian based distro. mint worked on my laptop until the wifi driver broke for no reason
4 weeks ago
sage
>Outdated drivers
that's not a thing, im on amd with ubuntu 22.04 kernel 6.2
if you use nvidia you also always get the latest driver
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
maybe you're right on that. been a while since i used deb distro
>try to install os >all useful help requires a working os
bahahahha return to debian and join the just works club instead of spouting "AHHH RETARD SKILL ISSUE RTFM" when your shitty fucking piece of shit breaks
Arch is for hobbyists that don't mind if their system is down for repairs every week. Nobody doing any work on their computer is okay with shit breaking randomly. If you need your handheld, you should unironically use a different distro.
Pleb, here
I installed Arch the "proper" way, just followed the wiki. Messed up the first time, screwed up the boot partition somehow, got it running the second time. Wasnt that hard, really.
-used Archinstall on my other machines and they both work fine. Heck, I even updated and didnt break anything.
-Started Linux on Ubuntu a few years ago, that broke.
Used Mint for a while, broke that too. Distro-hopped for a bit, but after I got Arch up and going, everything feels good.
Reminder that the trannies that run archwiki heavily edited the instal article because it was too easy to install arch and it made them feel less cool. They have been eternally seething about arch install ever since it was added back into the iso.
archinstall is only for people who know how to install arch manually. I bet when you break something you won't even know what to do to fix it and are going to cry on reddit instead for how shit linux is.
if you don't know how to install arch manually, which is only reading the docs, you shouldn't use arch period
>archinstall is only for people who know how to install arch manually. I bet when you break something you won't even know what to do to fix it and are going to cry on reddit instead for how shit linux is.
this argument makes zero sense
after installing, if something breaks, whether you used archinstall or manual makes no difference because youre going to be dealing with an brand new error that youll have to research either way
manual arch install is literally just configuring locale, sudo, user, partitions, and other tedious shit. when something breaks youre not going to magically have the knowledge to fix it because you copy pasted some commands in instead of using a script
I like it, it's less time consuming than doing it all manually and doing any repetitive task manually is the sign of a retard.
I think it also has some feature that lets you feed in a config file, and have it provision the machine based off that. Never tried it but that sounds very neat.
they included this retarded installer because it's written by some homosexual that some of the main devs are fucking or want to fuck, there is no other explanation why this buggy abomination is is considered official installer.
archinstall shits itself if you try to remotely engage with its features or configure it
last time i tried it (1 month ago), it sharted itself cause package chromium forced it to decide between jack2 and pipewire-jack, such a hard decision when i set pipewire as the audio server LOL!
>this angry by association to when he was 14
look i'm sorry you got molested or something but that had nothing to do with Manjaro ok? maybe get some help or post "#metoo" on X, formerly known as Twitter.
>blah blah blah blah blah >thats all i read
denial is a typical response, and that's your choice to make, but its not too late to seek help or you can just continue on this destructive path towards 42%
imagine getting this angry cause i won't use manjaro
thats pretty sad.
I never got molested
yeah, your life is sad as fuck
imagine telling me to use manjaro
imagine trying to troll me at all, sad as fuck
i hope you become a billionaire one day so you stop being so fucking sad and a bad troll
BLAH BLAH BLAH
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>re-read this back and forth (can't even call it a conversation) >IT thinks i'm the ones that's angry?
lol ok.. good luck I guess
kill yourself
never using manjaro
ARCH LINUX FOR LIFEEEEE
KILL YOURSELF FOR TELLING ME TO USE MANJARO
now
NOW
KILL YOURSELF
NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
nagger
NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
kys kys
ARCH LINUX FOR LIFEEEEEEEEEEEE
imagine getting this angry cause i won't use manjaro
thats pretty sad.
I never got molested
yeah, your life is sad as fuck
imagine telling me to use manjaro
imagine trying to troll me at all, sad as fuck
i hope you become a billionaire one day so you stop being so fucking sad and a bad troll
I'm trans btw, idk if that matters or not. I just love arch and taking massive cock up my shitter. It is so much fun to type archinstall every few months when arch kills itself in confusion. No I won't switch to a different distro that actually works, I'm a jobless neet that lives with his mom. She makes me tendies while I endlessly type archinstall because it's so much fun! I refuse to get a real job because I'm way too fat.
archinstall is shit for dual boot setups. Manual installation is still superior.
However, I did use archinstall to set up the desktop at my workplace and it just werked.
>I could never install arch linux, without archinstall
And I always have to because it never works
>cannot find /dev/sdb in lsblk output. let's crash now.
skill issue
>skill issue to use auto installer instead of manual
retard
exactly, skill issue
instructions are on the wiki its not that people can't do it
it's just a pointless exercise since most people use the same defaults
You need wiki instructions to use an installer? Whats the point of an installer then? Imagine if ubuntu or debian required supplementary instructions for using an installer lol
It's not skill issue
it fucks up sometimes
nothing is ever perfect ever
how did this shit thread not die
kill yourself for that retarded ass comment
skill issue
It's less of a skill issue and more of a time issue for a lot. Unless you've installed it manually installed dozens of time, you'll still forget to do one or two things due to waiting for shit to download. Some people just want a functional system out of the box and will tweak it later if they have to.
Exactly dude, archinstall is a piece of shit
I don't know why the maintainers agreed to add it to the iso
it always failed on me until i added archlinux keyrings before running archinstall
>having to add something that should already be there
lol do ArchCucks really?
its literally just typing in "pacman -S archlinux-keyring"or something its not a big deal lol
typing it where though? you haven't installed it yet
The LiveCD environment, you don't run archinstall in your nonexistent archbox either
it failed on me once, never tried it again.
i'll stick to manual.
Tried it last. The UI sucked ass, but everything ended up OK. The most annoying thing happened when the process would fail on package download and the WHOLE installation would have to be restarted. Happened a few times in a row, I guess the first few mirrors in the list are shit for me. Why the fuck don't they pick optimal mirrors right away, and why the fuck can't it choose the next mirror on package download fail? It's not that fucking hard.
So, lesson learned: install packages afterwards.
Otherwise: pretty good, because I don't have to remember how to chroot and mount and all that bullshit anymore (i had a whole stack of notes for that with steps).
I don't remember what year it was that it came out but I do remember doing it manually back in highschool.
there actually is no reason to use this over EndeavourOS which both results in a better and more convenient installation and doesn't break all the time
>there actually is no reason to use EndeavourOS
ftfy
sure there is, convenient and fast arch installation with the desktop configuration of your choice, encryption, preinstalled AUR package manager and more
you just have an entire functional arch desktop setup in a few minutes and it just works
never argue with trips, son
i am gonna let you easy this time, but consider this your first and last warning
>you just have an entire functional arch desktop setup in a few minutes and it just works
so how is that different from archinstall exactly?
the biggest difference is that it works
additionally, the installer is a GUI which makes things much easier (try partitioning in archinstall if it even works; it was utterly groken when i tried like 1-2 years ago)
>when i tried like 1-2 years ago
that's your problem anon. things evolve over time
I installed Arch with archinstall on 2 machines a few days ago and had no issues at all. and that was to upgrade their Endeavour install to Arch
>upgrade their Endeavour install to Arch
oh yes tell me more about what you are 'upgrading' LMFAO
>and that was to upgrade their Endeavour install to Arch
Tell me more. I am currently running EndeavourOS and would like to switch to plain ol' Arch.
why?
Because LULZ makes fun of me for needing a GUI installer
simply alias neofetch to the following:
neofetch --ascii_distro arch | sed 's/EndeavourOS/Arch/'
happy to have saved you the trouble of reinstalling your os
You
EndeavourOS didn't have keyboard, trackpad, or internet when I tried to install it on my mbp. Arch (manual install) unironically just worked.
I've always had bad luck trying arch derivatives while arch has always just worked. Ironic how all the distros and scripts that aim to make arch just werk end up working worse than vanilla arch.
mbp stands for Macbook Pro? well that's just a special case as it needs it's own special drivers and shit and you read a lot of problems about it online
however whatever didn't work by default on your EndeavourOS installation you could have fixed the same way you could have fixed it on arch, by installing the corresponding packages and changes to the settings, if installing arch manually isn't a problem for you this should even be less of a problem
its still bugged, doesnt work if you try to use luks+btrfs. also it doesnt use the standard btrfs format in fstab and doesnt use the right compression, so you need to change those manually after the installation. would be much better if they just used a normal installer like ubuntu
I installed arch in 2014 when I didn't even know what a package manager was
It taught me a lot. I couldn't figure out how to download software on linux before that
I tried this crap once and it didn't work. Installing Arch the classic way isn't that hard, the most important skill required is reading.
The novelty of installing arch linux is a chore. Personally, I think everyone should at least do it once, then use archinstall.
it was broken for a couple months recently. it breaks frequently enough. I had to install endavouros instead. I was going to try a manual arch install, but endavour just works...why bother?
arch is already brittle by design and will break randomly when upgrading
why use an installer that breaks often? i don't get it
>archinstall
made endeavouros obsolete
It's trash, all sorts of plebs are using arch now because of archinstall.
Everyone should at least install arch once without archinstall. You'll get some compiter fundamentals doing it, instead of being mentally chained to windows no matter what you do after installing it.
woah, computer fundamentals like mounting and formatting a drive
crazy stuff
>What year did archinstall come out?
2020
installing arch is truly not that difficult
most people that complain are just to lazy to read the installation guide / wiki, man pages and forum entries
all the knowledge of the world is just seconds and a few clicks away and people still complain they don't know
You're delusional if you think installing Arch is not that difficult compared to using an OS like EndeavourOS with its GUI installer and sane defaults.
Tedious would be a better word to describe the process
>You're delusional if you think installing Arch is not that difficult compared to
it's neither easy nor quick (at least not for a beginner)
but it's also not difficult
there are clear steps you can follow
there are clean options given you can explore
all of if is neatly explained and there is an abundance of resources if you need more explanations
Linear Algebra as a freshman is difficult
but installing arch is not
>muh arch breaks
this is like a 10y+ old meme
arch does not break
at least not more than any other rolling release distro
with debian you're gonna have other issues
like about outdated incompatible libraries if you dare to install something from like compiling yourself
also it's not a "skill issue"
it's a being lazy issue
arch does break more than other rolling
because aur
USER repository
its literally in the name that its untested shit that's going to break your OS
You should only need the AUR to add software that's not in the official repository.
It should not break the OS any more than 3rd party software on Windows would break Windows.
>arch does not break
really? let's check https://archlinux.org/news/
>2023-11-02 Incoming changes in JDK / JRE 21 packages may require manual intervention
>2023-08-19 ansible-core >= 2.15.3-1 update may require manual intervention
>2023-08-11 budgie-desktop >= 10.7.2-6 update requires manual intervention
>2023-06-14 OpenBLAS >= 0.3.23-2 update requires manual intervention
>2023-02-12 Switch to the base-devel meta package requires manual intervention
why do packages "require" manual intervention? why is this only a problem with arch? i can't remember the last time i've had to do a manual intervention before/after upgrades on debian or ubuntu
One problem per 3 months where an autistic Samaritan will post the solution 15 minutes post appearance and you'll copy paste to your terminal. Your skill issue.
>One problem per 3 months
lmao, this is supposed to be a good thing?
on ubuntu i have 0 problems per 3 months, shit literally just works
It doesn't tho. Outdated drivers and even missing ones caused me problems. And also look at the problems you posted the only "serious" one is jre/jdk because you are not doing arithmetic analysis to be here, aren't running servers on arch because that's actually stupid, most likely you're not using budgie. And it goes on. Tldr it's negligible and just works, at least for me.
+you move away from windows to use a microsoft product? at least use another debian based distro. mint worked on my laptop until the wifi driver broke for no reason
>Outdated drivers
that's not a thing, im on amd with ubuntu 22.04 kernel 6.2
if you use nvidia you also always get the latest driver
maybe you're right on that. been a while since i used deb distro
these seem to be complete non-issues
>try to install os
>all useful help requires a working os
bahahahha return to debian and join the just works club instead of spouting "AHHH RETARD SKILL ISSUE RTFM" when your shitty fucking piece of shit breaks
>try to install os
>all useful help requires a working os
retard
Arch is for hobbyists that don't mind if their system is down for repairs every week. Nobody doing any work on their computer is okay with shit breaking randomly. If you need your handheld, you should unironically use a different distro.
>If you need your handheld
then you should buy a steam deck
Pleb, here
I installed Arch the "proper" way, just followed the wiki. Messed up the first time, screwed up the boot partition somehow, got it running the second time. Wasnt that hard, really.
-used Archinstall on my other machines and they both work fine. Heck, I even updated and didnt break anything.
-Started Linux on Ubuntu a few years ago, that broke.
Used Mint for a while, broke that too. Distro-hopped for a bit, but after I got Arch up and going, everything feels good.
Reminder that the trannies that run archwiki heavily edited the instal article because it was too easy to install arch and it made them feel less cool. They have been eternally seething about arch install ever since it was added back into the iso.
archinstall is only for people who know how to install arch manually. I bet when you break something you won't even know what to do to fix it and are going to cry on reddit instead for how shit linux is.
if you don't know how to install arch manually, which is only reading the docs, you shouldn't use arch period
>archinstall is only for people who know how to install arch manually. I bet when you break something you won't even know what to do to fix it and are going to cry on reddit instead for how shit linux is.
this argument makes zero sense
after installing, if something breaks, whether you used archinstall or manual makes no difference because youre going to be dealing with an brand new error that youll have to research either way
manual arch install is literally just configuring locale, sudo, user, partitions, and other tedious shit. when something breaks youre not going to magically have the knowledge to fix it because you copy pasted some commands in instead of using a script
I like it, it's less time consuming than doing it all manually and doing any repetitive task manually is the sign of a retard.
I think it also has some feature that lets you feed in a config file, and have it provision the machine based off that. Never tried it but that sounds very neat.
skill issue
they included this retarded installer because it's written by some homosexual that some of the main devs are fucking or want to fuck, there is no other explanation why this buggy abomination is is considered official installer.
archinstall shits itself if you try to remotely engage with its features or configure it
last time i tried it (1 month ago), it sharted itself cause package chromium forced it to decide between jack2 and pipewire-jack, such a hard decision when i set pipewire as the audio server LOL!
>I could never install arch linux, without archinstall
just use Manjaro
i used manjaro when i was 14. It was my first distro
kill yourself
arch linux for LIFE
KILL YOURSELF
FUCK MANJARRROO
homosexual
>this angry by association to when he was 14
look i'm sorry you got molested or something but that had nothing to do with Manjaro ok? maybe get some help or post "#metoo" on X, formerly known as Twitter.
blah blah blah blah blah
thats all i read
kill yourself
never using manjaro
ARCH LINUX FOR LIFEEEEE
KILL YOURSELF FOR TELLING ME TO USE MANJARO
now
NOW
KILL YOURSELF
NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
nagger
NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
kys kys
ARCH LINUX FOR LIFEEEEEEEEEEEE
>blah blah blah blah blah
>thats all i read
denial is a typical response, and that's your choice to make, but its not too late to seek help or you can just continue on this destructive path towards 42%
imagine getting this angry cause i won't use manjaro
thats pretty sad.
I never got molested
yeah, your life is sad as fuck
imagine telling me to use manjaro
imagine trying to troll me at all, sad as fuck
i hope you become a billionaire one day so you stop being so fucking sad and a bad troll
BLAH BLAH BLAH
>re-read this back and forth (can't even call it a conversation)
>IT thinks i'm the ones that's angry?
lol ok.. good luck I guess
>Uses manjaro
>Knows why 14 year old anon is angry
You're only reinforcing the notion that manjaro is epstein's distro
based screeching autist
OP HERE
IM GONNA REINSTALL ARCH LOONIX
RIGHT NOW
WILL BE BACK AND POST AN UPDATE
BACK
Installed ARCH LINUX, not MANJARO
PIC REL
IDK I use archinstall though and daily arch+KDE wayland because it lets me use VRR, turn off vsync in games and gives me buttery smooth gaymin.
Also here's my free wallpaper that I'm giving it away, your welcome.
Here's the high res 8K version
https://files.catbox.moe/qtkgoy.png
I like mint. mint is anti-iarael. that's cool to me
I'm trans btw, idk if that matters or not. I just love arch and taking massive cock up my shitter. It is so much fun to type archinstall every few months when arch kills itself in confusion. No I won't switch to a different distro that actually works, I'm a jobless neet that lives with his mom. She makes me tendies while I endlessly type archinstall because it's so much fun! I refuse to get a real job because I'm way too fat.
arch install just weeks. you just have to wipe your drive of partitions and it never fails. read cfdisk on the wiki.
archinstall is shit for dual boot setups. Manual installation is still superior.
However, I did use archinstall to set up the desktop at my workplace and it just werked.
>archinstall is shit for dual boot setups.
Weird because Manjaro works great with dual boot so it's not a technical limitation.
Cant believe people STILL cant install Arch manually, stick to Ubuntu instead of larping as a 1337 hacker.