Given that its what naturally emerged after the collapse of the Roman Empire, will some reboot of feudalism return after the collapse of American/w...


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Given that it’s what naturally emerged after the collapse of the Roman Empire, will some reboot of feudalism return after the collapse of American/western globalism?

  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Given that it’s what naturally emerged after the collapse of the Roman Empire
    Actually, it came out of the collapse of the Carolingian Empire. Not the Roman Empire.

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >will some reboot of feudalism return after the collapse of American/western globalism?
    It'll need one hell of a collapse to get to that point. American Globohomo isn't going to go out with a bang, but with a whimper.

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pfft no. If Globohomo collapses we'll just return to what preceded globalism: 19th Century Imperial Scrambles.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I hope so

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah .. you know that you're not going to be monarch/a nobleman if that happens, don't you?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Yeah .. you know that you're not going to be monarch/a nobleman if that happens, don't you?
        I may not be a noble trained from infancy riding along side my King as he leads from the front in a feudal society, but you're not a billionaire having hedonistic orgies on pedo island in your wonderful diverse inclusive egalitarian modern society, so I guess that makes us even.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >so I guess that makes us even.
          Not trying to get you with that, you amazingly touchy little homosexual. Just pointing out that if what you hope for (a return of feudalism) actually happens you will most likely become the literal legal property of whatever cunt you happen to work for. It's kind of a shitty system.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Few people want to be a serf but it’s where we are headed. All that remains is to see if it’s serfdom with pitchforks or serfdom with PornHub.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >pornhub sefrdom
              /pol/sisters...

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you want to be on the same level of the medieval peasant you mock so much, go right ahead

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >you will most likely become the literal legal property of whatever cunt you happen to work for
            that was the r*man latifundia not later feudal manors, slavery declined, landowners became a warrior aristocracy with duties and obligations, they gave to the church which protected even the humblest serfs from excess

            the similarities between the romans and us are astonishing, chopping off boys' cocks to make them 'girls', ridiculously wealthy billionaires presiding over droves of poor, everyone in the world clamoring for Roman citizenship where the masses give up individual agency and have to be appeased with bread and circuses to prevent them rioting, who suffer from declining birth rates as people give up even basic obligations of family, with Roman names gradually being replaced by foreign names

            one day this too will pass

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              The bulk of the population in medieval Europe were not freemen. They were bound to the land, and the legal property of whoever owned the land they were bound to.

              slavery was rare to non existent in medieval europe

              This statement only makes sense if you're an American who assumes that slavery necessarily means 'black people picking cotton in Alabama'.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            slavery was rare to non existent in medieval europe

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Feudalism never left, it just got rebranded.
    King = Lizard King
    Lords = The 1%(billionaires, the president, influencers)
    Knights = Zogbots
    Serfs = Wagies

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      you know when you think about it Feudalism is the most natural state of human organisation. criminals organise in feudal heirarchys (although they don't use titles), most large companies are run in a feudal manner, and most nations have limited feudal like rule through subdivisions.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're using feudalism as a stand-in for...almost everything actually.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're using feudalism as a stand-in for...almost everything actually.

        Feudalism is kind of a meme anyway, every society is a hierarchy of sorts. What made the medieval system different was they made no bones about it, they didn't pretend it was a lawful bureaucracy or their relations were purely benevolent. The peasants labor in their landlord's fields and they get land in return. Their landlord offers himself or his sons for military service or pays the knight's fee. They must support their liege in his wars and he must protect their titles. Rarely was the order of things so plainly laid out as in the middle ages.

        A better definition of feudalism might as well be honesty. The nobles didn't owe much to the peasants, but they were part of their lands, they had a level of noblesse oblige towards them more so than a factory owner to his workers or some generalissimo to his people.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          This is wrong as well. Feudalism wasn't more "honest" than any other political system. It was simply more disorganized and informal. A more accurate description of feudal would be "ad-hoc", that is to say, it's not really a "system" at all so much as it is our description of whatever shit could be cobbled together after the fall of the Roman Empire. Feudalism is more akin to the political system you see from African warlords rather than anything seen today in the first world.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The nobles didn't owe much to the peasants
          They basically justified their rule on how well they treated those under their protection and how well they could give out justice to them.
          >level of noblesse oblige towards them
          They had just as much as the government today, even less, actually.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >They basically justified their rule on how well they treated those under their protection and how well they could give out justice to them.
            What could go wrong?

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >What could go wrong?
              The same evils that afflict every society, they just dealt with it better. Gilles didn't die mysteriously before he could name his accomplices.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, but he was the feudal law and lord of the land, which in itself justified his evil actions.

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Europe is fucked unless it begins to invade African colonies for its resources.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    We're already in the neofeudal era.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Retarded chart

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        how so?

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    this triangle is such a meme
    king had rich peasants and knights who worked for him and he had lords who had their own and these lords could have more power and wealth than kings, and their knights could likewise have other knights and their peasants, and not all peasants were serfs and could be freemen who owned land to which other peasants worked and they could be as rich as nobility
    the serf shit is such a meme that never shouldve been in history books

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wanted to make a thread with this exact image. Weird.
    Anyway, I wonder if feudalism is still very meaningful concept in historiography. You can find elements of feudalism/serfdom in the ancient world or places outside of Europe, and on the other hand much of Europe was not feudal at different times of middle ages. Some parts became more feudal after middle ages even.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why do so many medievalists get spo triggered by the concept of 'feudalism'? Seems to be more about semantics than anything else.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know. I personally don't get triggered, but after looking more into it, you can see that it's applied to broadly. I seen some people mention that Parthian Empire was maybe in a sense feudal, because they had heritable titles and nobility that functioned in a similar way, armored cavalry forces made up by nobility, not sure if they had something like serfdom tho.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      You'll always have to specify what kind of Feudalism. Basically the proper use of the term only applies to the very late 9th and 10th century onwards and really is unique to most regions of Europe that had it, German Feudalism wasn't like English Feudalism which wasn't like Spanish Feudalism which wasn't like Swedish Feudalism.

      You can say that the Old Kingdom Egypt was in some sense Feudal as it followed characteristics of what we know from Feudal Europe, ie, a land separated between powerful regional warlords generally bound to a higher warlord, in this case the Pharaoh who derives military and political support from these vassals of his. So the term is sometimes used even for Old and Middle Kingdom Egypt, but when seriously discussing it, it is best to be technical. If you didn't know anything about Ancient Egyptian Nomarchs and obligations the easiest way to explain it is just saying it was Feudal. But it removes too much nuance and simplifies it into what it really isn't.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Basicly every kingdom that had a peasants revolt had feudalism

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm going to reboot your mom if you keep asking stupid questions.

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes and I can't wait

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, technology would never allow it

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Feudalism relies upon a technological era where the premier weaponry of the day is both too expensive to mass produce for the common man, and is operated by a single individual. In a world with widespread firearms, feudalism can't exist.

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >will some reboot of feudalism return after the collapse of American/western globalism?
    Will never happen. American/western globalism is the endgame for humanity.

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Farm the land
    >Paid the food you grew
    >Pay rent
    >To the guys living on your land
    How is this not just racketeering?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It absolutely is, but what can you do? They have the swords and armor, and you have nothing but crops.

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, cognitofeudalism. Pay to pray.

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >what naturally emerged after the collapse of the Roman Empire
    Not really. Diocletian's reformed already enstated a type of Classical Feudalism that was echoed in what we know as Feudalism now. Not necessarily with the idea of vassals and such, but there was an established serf class, with Caracalla making plebs citizens and Diocletian tying them to their land.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Diocletian's reformed already enstated a type of Classical Feudalism
      Diocletian's Empire was literally nothing like Feudalism at all
      >but there was an established serf class
      Actually, it was completely permeable and neither is that 'Feudalism'. Otherwise I guess the Roman Republic is feudal because they had laws concerning tenants.

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