>gets gaslighted into hating ubuntu for a long time about how it's a terrible and broken corporate distro and how snaps are going to rape my family and kill my dog
>avoid it like plague for almost 6 years
>finally decide to give it a try (22.04)
>it's unironically the best linux experience i had in a long time
Fuck you
>he fell for the memes
>snaps are going to rape my family and kill my dog
It actually happens in rare cases, beware fag
As a general rule of thumb, whenever LULZ tells you to do something, do the opposite.
>>it's unironically the best linux experience i had in a long time
Good for you OP. you're free.
This is pretty solid advice.
Live a fulfilling life and do not, I repeat, DO NOT kill yourself.
I've been waiting an hour for this reply. Surprised it took this long.
>this. so much this. why have I had to wait so long for this comment?
go the fuck back
>NO FUN ALLOWED! FUN IS LE REDDIT!
rope yourself immediately.
I will do the opposite.
Rope yourself later?
Why don't you do it?
>THIS SO MUCH THIS UOOOGH
>No! NOOOO! ROPE YOURSELF! AAAA
This is the same advice I see on LULZ and LULZ
I fell for the powerlifting meme for a few months thats when i decided that fit is full of naggers and left
fit has some of the most dumb and delusional posters on this site and that's saying something, considering LULZ exists
Yeah its full off kezoschizos, blackpillers, lookismfags, and powershitters
the issue is taking what one person says as LULZ, LULZ or LULZ telling you something
plenty of people here say to just use ubuntu and be done with it unless you know you have some specific reason to use something else, or are some poweruser who simply prefers something else, etc.
you just chose not to listen to them
LULZ tells you to do every possible thing. I hate replies like this. You are not smart. You are a piece of mush.
LULZ tells you to install Gentoo and buy 15 year old Thinkpads.
is right, do the exact opposite: install Ubuntu and buy a brand new laptop (unless you are aiming for something ultra low budget, in shock case you should get a job instead)
It also tells you to buy an iToy and be a tranny. Ymmv
>LULZ tells you to install Gentoo and buy 15 year old Thinkpads.
that's the meme answer. really everyone says install mint
>gentoo
The meme everyone says
>mint
The meme everyone falls for
>everyone says install mint
Google search "Linux Mint"
pic rel comes up
do a 360 and walk away
You think Emily uses manscaped or did (s)he switch to pink Gillettes?
He is using empty ramen noodle cups for tiddies
That's why I use Windows
We've got half a dozen windows threads though.
Since you're posting this on LULZ, isn't it a paradox now?
>epimenides paradox
install gentoo
just a case of corpofag succumbing to corpo distro
The only people who genuinely hate Ubuntu are Red Hat fanboys and Windows users who installed it in 2008 and couldn't find their printer drivers. There are legitimate criticisms of Ubuntu though, and they all stem from poor decisions made by Canonical. If it was taken just on its own, it would be an almost perfect distro.
>The only people who genuinely hate Ubuntu are Red Hat fanboys
Lolno. Those who hate Ubuntu hate Red Hat, as well as most other corporations.
>Those who hate Ubuntu hate Red Hat, as well as most other corporations.
Nope. If that was the case then SUSE/Flatpak/Fedora/Steam wouldn't get a pass. Most people are not anti-corporate. It's very much the opposite.
Valve automatically gets a pass because they are a vidya company.
Red Hat is often hated, especially when they do something unpopular and hating it becomes the cool thing to do.
SUSE almost nobody gives a fuck about.
>Most people are not anti-corporate.
I don't know, chief. A lot of posters here use Arch or Debian specifically because they're "community" distros. Many a time I've seen them express hate towards "corporate" distros. Maybe they are a particularly vocal minority, but the anti-corporate sentiment is very real around here. The anti-systemd sentiment is a bit further down that same list.
>because they are a vidya company.
And? Video games are software and Valve is a corporation.
>Red Hat is often hated, especially when they do something unpopular and hating it becomes the cool thing to do.
For a week, and then people go back to shilling Fedora like nothing happened.
>I don't know, chief. A lot of posters here use Arch or Debian specifically because they're "community" distros.
People use Arch and Debian because they're the benchmark for rolling release and stable point releases, has nothing to do with the community.
>Maybe they are a particularly vocal minority, but the anti-corporate sentiment is very real around here
Not only do we have Mac users, Windows users, Ubuntu users, SUSE users and Fedora users around here, but we're also an incredibly small minority of ironic shitposters not even worth discussing. We'd have to take the bootlickers at r/Linux seriously too if we were to consider LULZ representative of the greater Linux community.
>The anti-systemd sentiment is a bit further down that same list.
And absolutely nobody uses those distros lol, even the "community" distros you mentioned like Arch and Debian use systemd.
>if we were to consider LULZ representative of the greater Linux community
I wasn't talking about "the greater Linux community", or Reddit, or whatever, just this board.
This board is an Apple board.
those people don't hate ubuntu, they hate _everything_
you'll never be able to make them happy so don't try
Isn't Mint just Ubuntu without snap and GNOME?
afaik it also has various GUI tools for things like nvidia drivers which Ubuntu itself does not package
Ubuntu has a driver manager, it's just a part of the software app.
Both are just reskinned Debian anyway.
I might be misremembering, but I could have sworn i've seen screenshots of this one mini utility specifically for nvidia drivers, specifically on Mint.
I've been trying for 3 days to upgrade from 20.04
> all the errors are opaque as fuck
> all the bugtracker solutions to the exact same error message do absolutely nothing
> disabled and removed half my programs to no effect
> absurd waste of time
If its a clean install I'm going to debian, fuck this shit.
Good to know anon, when the time comes I'll go 20.04 straight to Deb12. Thanks for taking the time to post.
(not OP) Debian 12 cleaned up their installation and it's a lot easier than ever before (still need to choose the right DL with non-free included but no more huntintg for shit. It's easier, improved, not for a first timer).
>not for a first timer
How fucking soft does a first timer have to be for the debian installer to filter him? It's kind of hard to judge after starting in the era of manual X configuration, but fuck man, you just click continue a few times and it's done.
First timer coming from Windows? VERY soft. My first Debian install went pretty well because (Ubuntu for a while AND) I read the install instructions provided by Debian. Not many are willing to do that anymore so Debian gets a hard for newbs label because "following instructions hard". The only challenging part of Deb is understanding their stance on non-free.
Just out of curiosity, was there a reason you had to upgrade, or did you try doing it just because?
>was there a reason you had to upgrade
are you retarded?
Explain how I'm retarded without saying something retarded like "because a newer version exists"
I think the problem is using the very tools provided to update the system and it not working.
I know. I'm not saying "don't upgrade", I just wanted to know the specific reason why Anon decided to upgrade. I'm on an old release and don't see myself upgrading anytime soon.
(You)
>retard does retard things
>retard thinks that doing the non retarded thing is retarded
>even posts meme about
>doesn't realize that the meme could easily be changed to be about the retarg thing the retard does
retarded retard
keep sperging while I await for an answer to my question
retard
don't you have updates to be checking for? you could be on an out of date system as we speak...
it's automatic, retard
I gotcha, I was on Devuan 3 for a long time. No need to update if my system works as I like. No clue about that anon's reasoning, though. I read it as a failure on the OS tooling and you two trying to talk about different things.
yeah, you're retarded.
It's been building up for a while doing work for clients who need up to date glibc and a few other things, backports gets messy and it's the dev environment they want me using. Been working out of lxc containers for too long and just getting tired of it, especially for building desktop apps and the edge cases to debug.
Otherwise I usually wouldn't give a shit about upgrading until I got new hardware.
There was a few in the logs, something about update-manager being on a deny list was the last one I got stuck on. ppa-purge didn't do anything, removing all my sources and removing a shitload of apps didn't do anything, there's no real explanation what is causing it, I've spent hours trying to fix it, once you get a unique enough configuration it's a lost cause. I've burnt shit to the ground trying to simply keep my configuration.
No more, it's time to come home. Going to run stable with kde, will probably switch to testing down the line.
I've made it a habit to stay as close to the default config on any OS I use. The further you move away from default the more painful it becomes to redeploy
What's the error? I've updated through every version of Ubuntu (including the .10 releases) since 18.04
Skill issue
Why not just use Debian?
Debian is not that great, unless you want a distro for your home server or something. It's also always outdated compared to other distros, falling into the same problems as the LTS releases that a loud minority seems to hate from Ubuntu.
And for some reason trying to run Steam on Debian crashes my PC, which doesn't happen in Ubuntu, Mint and Pop OS
the sooner you realize the overwhelmingly majority of LULZ users are NEET larpers who envision scenarios in their head where some girls fucks them because of their epic arch install the better
the overwhelming majority of LULZ and LULZ and the internet are ESLs, the world learned english because computers are made for english language
Ubuntu has been unusable shit ever since they started prioritizing new and exciting technology at the expense of literally everything else back when they first integrated PulseAudio
tell me you've never had sex without telling me...
Remove snap.
I don't like snap because anything that deviates from the standard open source package is just fucked in terms of getting good docs. All the fucking config files and shit are in the wrong directories with snap. It's also up to snap to maintain the package, and if it gets out of date it takes longer for snap to update it than the non-snap version of it does.
Otherwise I don't give a fuck.
I find Mint to be pretty good. It's basically Ubuntu without Snap and any corporate shit.
Any flavour of Mint is good in my opinion. Cinnamon is gorgeous. XFCE is lightweight. Mate sits in the middle.
Everything just worked for me out of the box.
>install ubuntu
>locks up somewhere behind the shiny splash blocking boot messages.
>do some fiddling off a live disk
>finally boots
>dropped straight to a desktop designed to honor brave homosexuals or something
>giant launcher toolbar with things asking me to make an account so I can give them my files
>have to go through file manager to find and run xterm to actually use my computer
Yeah, it was great when I tried it.
Reminder Mark Shuttleworth openly stated xhe has the root key to all Ubuntu installations
>hmm, ubuntu looks kinda cool
>tries ubuntu
>yea, ubuntu is absolute trash
>repeat after few years
ubuntu is aesthetically unpleasing. i dont want support, i want a free (gratis) operating system to put on a laptop. i won't ever fucking update it ever. it just gotta work now and forever.
Ubuntu is an absolute resourcehog
I also moved to ubuntu from debian, but it was less that stellar.
iwlwifi didn't work during install nor after first boot, even though it was installed and loaded. This is something I expect from debian, which now work OOTB with ver 12
Next is the firefox snap.. The loading time and lag was noticeable enough to call it out as a snap. Holy fuck was I mad, because I though only chrome was packaged as a snap through apt.
Next is the daily linux package updates which require a fucking RESTART.
But hey, I can add PPAs left and right now and use recent versions of programs.
all my home servers are ubuntu servers. never had an issue. had more install and driver troubles with debian on SBCs
I mean... yea, but snap really is slow as balls, so why not use Linux Mint or PopOS?
>fork of another distro
discarded
so snaps good or what
Yes.
Wait until you try Kubuntu. It's simply perfect.
Kubuntu is basically a drop-in replacement for Windows at this point. I installed in on my dad's computer and he loves it. (Although I use Debian, personally.)
Ubuntu is Linux for people who need to use their computers
I tried Ubuntu and apt ended up deleting the whole distro.
Ubuntu just werks and snaps are unironically good now. Anyone on LULZ telling you otherwise is just an arch or debian tinker trannie.
Can you give a demonstration of why snaps are good?
Snaps run sandboxed, so your web browser can't access your SSH keys or your picture collection.
You can install the latest browser or LibreOffice on very old Ubuntu releases.
A system administrator can say "save the Steam state for all users, replace current Steam with the beta version, then restore the state only for Bob so he can test before I restore it for anyone else". This is literally impossible with any other tool or package manager.
>slow
False
>space
Sure, but not in an excessive way like Flatpak
>software
Wrong. There's tons of snaps, many more than Flatpaks at least, and it has reasonable vendor support.
Ubuntu is great. It's just Snaps and the whole !!! WHY NOT TRY UBUNTU PRO ‽‽‽ sucks a bunch. Other than that, it is great. Don't listen to contrarians. Popular stuff is popular for a reason.
>It's just Snaps
Snaps are a substantial part of what makes Ubuntu
>Snaps are a substantial part of what makes Ubuntu
No they aren't. They could nuke snaps tomorrow and it would barely affect anything.
Snaps are slow, take up a lot of space, and almost no one releases software for it. Also, Gnome sucks. I'm headed to Debian once I get annoyed enough.
It's not bad except for the parts that differentiate it from Debian
>it's unironically the best linux experience i had in a long time
Welcome to enlightenment. Enjoy the comfy experience anon.
Only once you realize these things and truly stop caring is when you are finally free.
Sometime I envy you people with old hardware and just a single 768p 60hz monitor and that only use a web browser (LULZ), the moment you have more and do more and you realize how absolute fucking shit distros like ubuntu and debian are
if you uninstall snap and use librewolf it's 100 times better than fedora and debian
fedora uses way too much ram out of the box(3GB). i hate rolling releases. i am a Long term support kind of guy
debian comes with a lot of garbage you have to uninstall(a bunch of games and crap). Also all the language don't work. i couldn't get korean to work
>Giving a shit about korean
gtfo you weeb
if i am gonna use distro i want all languages to work and not show up as squares
Anything that does not use the latin script should be purged.
CJK fonts shouldn't exist. You fucking disgusting subhuman.
Glad to know your shitty "language" doesn't work on Debian, just makes it even more based.
>justifying using a shit distro
lmao
>Debian
>Shit distro
Stay mad bc your shitty irrelevant language doesn't get support.
Computers are made for English and they should stay that way.
that's not what i am talking about. No language other than english shows in the browser by default. you have to install language packs and when you do, the korean script doesn't work.
japanese works and other languages work. korean does not.
internet is not made for just english. you can't even view the non-english internet with debian;therefore it's shit
>that's not what i am talking about
I don't give a shit what you are talking about.
Fuck Korean and anything that does not use the Latin script.
And fuck you for caring about it you weeb.
languages don't work*
>trannywolf
No thank you.
>avoid it like plague for almost 6 years
You avoided it when it was good you absolute moron
if you don't install the language packs, non-latin characters show up as squares
I hate Ubuntu. I immediately lose respect for anyone who runs it, and especially those who advocate it. Here’s why:
Name 20 features, release-for-release or year-for-year that have not come from Redhat. Redhat basically runs the show when it comes to Linux. This includes things like NetworkManager, Gnome, Xorg, GCC, glibc, LVM, KVM, kernel, file systems et al. Redhat has developers making significant contributions to the entire FOSS software stack upstream.
Ubuntu on the other hand pulls most of the heavy weight packaging from Debian with each release. They then perform minor patching and testing. It generally lags behind Fedora by a release or two in parts of the software stack. I never see @ubuntu or @cannocial email addresses in upstream changelogs.
So tell me again, how exactly does Ubuntu innovate? They even struggle to release a new theme with each release, and artwork is about the only original thing in Ubuntu.
Yes, Ubuntu is stable because they are standing on the shoulders of giants. Most of the hard work is hashed out before they ever import software into their repositories. This is fine, and what FOSS is all about, but I prefer to be in with the leaders rather than the followers.
What really irks me and what has really brewed my hatred are Ubuntu users. They seem to think Ubuntu is responsible for all that is good in the FOSS world. I have just proven how false this is. In my experience, Ubuntu support mechanisms (IRC, mailing lists, forums) are much less helpful than the alternative.
If you want a nice desktop distro, run Fedora or OpenSUSE. If you like control, run Gentoo. If you need stability, run RHEL/CentOS or Debian. But please, don’t feed the idiot magnet that is Ubuntu!
you have to pay for redhat; therefore, it's shit
i like my distros free (as in free stuff)
Based
>you have to pay for redhat; therefore, it's shit
No you don't you retard. Red Hat gives licenses for free.
Or you can run Rocky (RH Clone) or CentOS (RH Upstream)
Realistically, there are only really four reasons why Ubuntard is bad.
a} Shitty init systems; first Upstart and now systemdisease.
b} GNOME default, which you can probably still remove and replace, assuming GDM isn't hard welded in.
c} There used to be an App Store associated with it; but it's been a few years since I've used it, so I don't know if that is still there.
d} Shuttleworth is a bit of a corporate fucktard, who has always wanted to make money from technophobic Windows refugees, and caused Ubuntu to have stupid things like the black screen on by default with GRUB, which means that if the system fails to boot, you can't see what the problem is and can't debug it.
Ubuntu is, however, probably the single greatest gateway drug/toehold/Trojan Horse the Linux community has. The live CD is close to flawless, you can literally get on the Internet in the time it takes to boot up, you've got media applications and everything else right there if you don't mind GNOME's bullshit, and it is also one of the only Linux distros to my knowledge, which has nVidia drivers available out of the gate.
Ubuntu should not be the LAST Linux distribution anyone uses. But it very possibly SHOULD be the first. Download the Ubuntu USB stick live image, burn it and jump online with it, and then ask ChatGPT how to teach yourself shell scripting. Do that course, and then once you know your way around, go to Arch or Void. It's the perfect Morpheus/"welcome to the real world" distro.
We knew you winblows homosexuals would come around to using Linux eventually.
I came looking for a Linux post. I just installed it for the first time today. Been using Win 7 this whole time. I wish the GUI was more like windows but I'm glad it's not windows. I'm happy so far.
>I wish the GUI was more like windows
There are other flavours of Ubuntu with different DEs. KDE looks more like windows
Depends on the DE. some are almost identical to Windows.
Anyways just enjoy it, do whatever it is easier for you, and for the love of god, ignore whatever LULZ tells you.
Just do/use whatever it is comfy for you.
Wanted to add, you should consider Linux Mint if its your first time, the UI is cute and way more similar to Windows.
Yeah Mint the other one I was thinking of trying.
I had issues w/ partitioning. I wanted to install alongside windows but didn't want to delete stuff.
The I chose something else, I couldn't figure out when I created new partitions, if it was going to keep my files or not.
When I clicked new partition it would take the whole drive and say free space. I checked YT videos and everyone was installing on a freshly formatted blank drive.
I decided to just to a New install and overwrite windows.
In my case it was Mint+Openbox just great.
I don't trust anything that sounds like it was named after an African scammer.
What next?
Ombongo?
Jibuti?
Why not just call it Dontraveius?
you should've installed gentoo