>get a new job doing construction
>get paid $20/hr
>look for apartments in my area so I can move out of my parents house
>I don't make x3 the rent at any of these places
And it's not like I live in some upscale suburb, it's a shithole fucking town that's notorious across the country for being a dangerous drug infested shithole full of runaway slave villages, illegal immigrant barrios and war refugees from Southeast Asia. It should not be this fucking hard to find a place for an affordable price in a town where you hear Mexicans doing drive-by's every fucking night. How the fuck is $20 an hour poverty wages??
sauce: @daisybxby_
dont rent, waste of money. it sucks but live with your parents as long as you can and save up for a deposit.
I thought your pic was cheesy weezy at first since you deleted your first thread so fast
I'm not sure what you're talking about anon I haven't made a thread in months lol
And who the fuck is cheesy weezy
Pretty weak gaslighting attempt but I'll roll with it. Anyway, any spics actually living in your building live multiple families to a studio apartment like roaches, that's how they make rent. If they're here legally, they also have access to gibs and subsidized housing for cheap. Just stay with your parents bro.
I literally have no idea what you're talking about. I haven't posted on LULZ in months. Is cheesy weezy some new girl you retards are obsessing over?
>Anyway, any spics actually living in your building live multiple families to a studio apartment like roaches, that's how they make rent.
Nah those types of Mexicans rent out whole houses. The apartments are populated by younger people for the most part, either single people or couples. A lot of my friends have multiple streams of income, work 60 hours a week to pay bills, or were fortunate enough to get a job where they get base pay plus commission so they can afford to have basic shit. It's fucking insane. You have to make like $30/hr just to get in an apartment that's not run down.
He somehow thought the brown goblin you posted was underage. Cheese pizza. CP.
Oh. She does have a kind of youthful face but no child would be covered in tattoos like that.
Do not underestimate the upward force of illegals on the rental market. Democrats at the local level will also stall out development so there are fewer houses, resulting in higher prices.
>Get a new job making 3d art and programming
>months get by then ask raise
>no anon I can't pay you the $12/h you want. I'll pay you $10
Why keep living?
The honest answer? Government pays too much aid to poor people resulting in more money left over for rent?
>$195 for food stamps
That's $195 more the landlord can charge without the renter moving out. It's not like the poor person is investing the excess income, they are spending it.
>multiply that by 90,000,000 households
No the honest answer is that landlords know they can Jack up prices as much as they want and we'll do nothing about it. Everyone's doing it. We're experiencing an artificial inflation right now. The inflation has nothing to do with the economy, the ruling class has just decided they want to charge us more.
They can only jack up prices as high as people are able and willing to pay. Government handouts are basically food for landlords.
Yeah no shit. But there's always going to be someone willing to pay so they jack up the rent. Are you really denying that landlords randomly raise rent $200 to get tenants out in exchange for tenants who want to pay more? Did your economics class not teach you about the basic functions of capitalism?
I mean generally landlords will raise your rent after your lease expires because they know you don't want to bother with moving, but for example where I currently live the rent was actually lowered by $400/mo recently because property prices were plummeting and they couldn't get enough people in the building
Also see my explanation here:
Also I refuse to believe this isn't samefagging, there's no way two people can both have such a retarded take right? I'll choose to believe this for my sanity
This is the sort of economic take that comes from someone who has never taken an economics course. Only about 18% of rental properties are owned by for profit corporations, but also if they raise rent high enough people will just not rent with them.
Youre retarded and so is everyone who takes an economics course. All rental properties are for profit. It doesn't matter if it's owned by a corporation or just a landlord, they're trying to profit as much as they can off of it. No shit they're not going to raise the rent to something retarded like $5000 a month to live in a shithole, just like an employer isn't going to pay $7.25 for a position because they know no one will want to work for them, but they're going to make it as high as they can because they know SOMEONE will be willing to pay it, just like an employer is going to pay as little as they can get away with.
Throw away your degree in economics and get a degree in fucking making your noodle move, brainlet.
So, if you have 100 apartments and you're charging $1000 a month for them, you're making $100,000 a month less the expenses. If you raise it to $2000 a month (which would be illegal anyway since there are price controls on raising rent), chances are more than half of your tenants will immediately leave. Let's say 30 stay. Now you're making $60,000 a month. You are making less money despite charging more. This is how supply and demand works. This is why not every apartment you go to is charging $10000000 a month.
Let's say, hypothetically, that you owned every apartment in town. This generally would not be allowed anyway due to anti-trust measures, but let's say you somehow made it happen. If you're charging $10,000 a month for every apartment, a new person can come in and build an apartment complex and absolutely cash out by charging $9,000 a month because everyone will swarm to reside there for the discount. People will do this and continue increasing supply until the rent is low enough that building new complexes to meet demand is no longer worth the time and capital commitment involved.
>If you raise it to $2000 a month (which would be illegal anyway since there are price controls on raising rent), chances are more than half of your tenants will immediately leave.
People are always looking for a place to live, so you'll have new tenants in no time. Housing is a necessity and you'll always find someone willing to pay whatever you're asking for, as long as it's within reason. You're being kinda dumb about this. Like the comparison I made with employers, they're paying their employees as little as they can get away with. No ones gonna do back-breaking labor for $7.25, but someone may do it for $15.25. Hell, hire some Mexicans, they'll do it for less than that. Do you not understand how capitalism works? Erne owner class is trying to get the most money they can while spending the least amount of money possible. Your economics class didn't teach you this?
Do you ever actually evaluate your own world-view to see if it makes sense? Even WITH apartments pricing themselves reasonably (which you can see they do based on just looking at them), there's a high percentage of vacancies in most rentals. People are always looking for a place to live, but they look within a given price range. When you look for a new apartment would you ever look at a $5000/mo place? No, you simply cannot afford it. That's true of almost everyone, other than some transcendentally rich person that wouldn't want to live in a rental in the first place. If two similar places are charging $2000 vs $2500 a month, obviously you'll just the cheaper one. This is the fundamentals of competition.
>they're paying their employees as little as they can get away with
Yes, exactly. What little can they get away with? Why does every job not pay minimum wage? The same reason rents aren't all $1000000/mo, because of supply and demand. Hard jobs or jobs that require more skill are the ones where the supply is less than the demand, and as such they raise the price. It's the same reason you can't sell your car for $250,000 on craiglist right now. "Well, people need cars so someone will buy it!". No, they won't. Other people are selling cars for less.
It's the same with rent. You can ask any landlord how they price their rent, and it's ALWAYS based on supply and demand from the area they are in. If their vacancy rate is high they will lower rent, if it is low they will raise rent. The reason rents go up is because more people are moving into an area and it outpaces building speed.
>If two similar places are charging $2000 vs $2500 a month, obviously you'll just the cheaper one
I'll go with the cheaper one and someone else will go with the $2500/mo one because the $2000/mo one is no longer available. Are you denying that the cost of living is skyrocketing and the average person can't afford rent? You're literally just denying reality because your economics class told you to lol.
Again, with my work analogy. Your employer will pay you as little as they can get away with because they want to save money. A landlord will charge you as much as they can get away with because they want to make money off of you. Of course they're not going to up the rent to $5000 but if they can take the rent from $1600 to $1800 and get away with it, guess what? They're gonna fucking do it. Either you pay the $1800 or you get the fuck out and make room for someone who can.
Your argument is so fucking retarded. No one's saying apartments cost a million dollars a month but landlords are jacking up the rent to as much as they can reasonably get away with, which is unaffordable to many people who are making what should be a decent salary.
>I'll go with the cheaper one and someone else will go with the $2500/mo one because the $2000/mo one is no longer available
And what if there is no second person? In the real world there are more places to rent than there are people seeking places to rent. You can tell this by the vacancy rate.
> Are you denying that the cost of living is skyrocketing and the average person can't afford rent
The average person can afford rent, because the average person does afford rent. You are just poorer than average. I have no problem at all paying rent. My rent is less than 15% of my income. I don't disagree rents have been going up marginally in the recent past, but I think it's better to discuss the real reasons for that rather than making retarded statements like that it's the landowning class arbitrarily raising them just to be vindictive. There have been plenty of times in history when rent prices have fallen y/y, which is also why not everyone in the country is homeless.
>And what if there is no second person?
There's always a second person.
>In the real world there are more places to rent than there are people seeking places to rent.
And in the real world, there are more oranges in the grocery store than people who want to buy oranges. But having 18 oranges in your store for the 18 people who buy oranges everyday is fucking retarded.
>The average person can afford rent, because the average person does afford rent.
The average person can technically afford rent. They have the money to pay for it. But they're living paycheck to paycheck. The better way to word it is, the average person is spending the majority of their income on rent.
>I have no problem at all paying rent. My rent is less than 15% of my income.
Ok? You got lucky. This isn't reality for most people, at least in the US. The majority of Americans are poor.
>rather than making retarded statements like that it's the landowning class arbitrarily raising them just to be vindictive.
They're not doing it to be vindictive, they're doing it because it's profitable. Your employer isn't paying you as little as they can get away with because they hate you, they're paying you as little as they can get away with because they're trying to save money.
>There's always a second person.
There isn't, not if you charge too much
>But having 18 oranges in your store for the 18 people who buy oranges everyday is fucking retarded.
Yes, like rent orange prices are governed by supply and demand. I'm going to raise the price of oranges at my store to $200 each! People need oranges, so they will absolutely buy them from me.
>the average person is spending the majority of their income on rent.
This is factually untrue though, the average amount an american spends on rent is 32%. People live paycheck to paycheck generally because they're terrible at budgeting and live above their means. For example 45% of americans who earn above $100,000 a year live paycheck to paycheck.
>They're not doing it to be vindictive, they're doing it because it's profitable
So the problem isn't the incentive structure (profit), it's the forces of supply and demand being pressed upon the landlord. If you go to the grocery store and oranges are $20 each, do you say "fucking grocery store people only care about money!"? Obviously not, you think "oh, maybe there is a supply chain issue with oranges" or "oh, maybe people are buying a lot of oranges lately". It's not productive to have these fantasies about rent where it's different from any other commodity in the economy. It works the exact same and it's very clear what the issues are.
>There isn't, not if you charge too much
No shit. They charge as much as they can get away with.
>Yes, like rent orange prices are governed by supply and demand. I'm going to raise the price of oranges at my store to $200 each! People need oranges, so they will absolutely buy them from me.
You're fucking retarded and being purposely obtuse I can't do this anymore.
You're getting mad because you keep shifting the goal posts from your original point and still keep getting disproven. Your original statement was "the ruling class has just decided they want to charge us more". I disproved that it was the ruling class from the beginning, and I disproved gradually that it was a decision. You basically conceded you were wrong a post or two ago when you said "They're not doing it to be vindictive". You should be focusing on what changed in the economy to make raising rents profitable. Landlords have always cared about profit, but rents rising is a recent phenomena.
The upper class has through the decades trained the lower and middle classes to always blame government for what the free-market does. And once you realize this simple fact you will start to see it everywhere. Every instance of shitty business practice, cutting safety standards, causing an industrial accident, price gouging, artificial scarcity, nepotism, etc.
The public has been propagandized to always blame the government even in cases where business lobbyists themselves deregulated something to the point of creating the situation (See Ohio for example).
If you ever want things to get better you need to start blaming private businesses accountable for what they do and stop letting them pass the blame.
The wealth will not trickle down. Government sets policy for how money is distributed. The rich know this, and it's why they spend so much on lobbyists to rig the game in their favor.
Lobbying is a problem, but the government sets the rules. Expecting companies to not do things that are unethical for profit is retarded. Their entire reason for existence is profit. We should hold them accountable when they break the rules, but we can't do that if we don't set good rules in the first place. In situations where there is loss of life the executives should receive criminal prosecution and usually do. Will that stop future companies? No.
The reason we turn to government for change is because that's where change happens in a democracy. We can try to boycott company A for doing something bad but that's just going to make company B hide the bad thing they do a little better.
Why not just live with your parents? You can save practically all of your money if you do so.
roommates, small landlords, airbnbs
>How the fuck is $20 an hour poverty wages??
Well, a gallon of milk/gas is $5 and a dozen eggs are $6. $20 today is like $5 in the 80s.
Our money is just worth much, much less than it was even a few years ago. Also unless you're being paid under the table you have to pay national and state taxes out of every paycheck. So that's about 10% out from the get-go.
Rent is obscene everywhere and it never goes down because the idea of "free market" housing is bullshit, even on things like Craigslist. Landlords will happily let places sit empty rather than negotiate a price because it sets a precedent that the prices could actually go down. Besides, they can just take section 8 people who get a government stipend to cover whatever absurd amount landlords want to charge for rent.
I don't know what the solution is, I was thinking that somehow they could force property owners to either live in a residence or rent/sell it at the market dictated price or else it goes up for auction. Something to incentivize property owners to let people actually live in property rather than it just being a guaranteed long-term investment that can sit empty for years.