Game of thrones and medieval life

How precisely does game of thrones represent medieval social structures/politics/castle intrigues and succession of the kings/war/geopolitics

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I’m at the 2 season so no spoilers please

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Ned comes back from the dead.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Petyr Baelish fricks Catelyn, Lysa and Sansa.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        t. didn't read the books

        Catelyn was milf tier in the novel

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Arya has sex with Sansa in season 6.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I peed myself

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Sir Twenny Goodmen impregnates Danny and Sansa

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Snape kills Dumbledore.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Daenerys marries Tommen

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Joffrey has anal sex with Tommen

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Joffrey fricks Lord Varys' gash

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Bran becomes king

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The Hound eats shit and dies to a cliff

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        why did they hire bleached blonde for a role of a medieval princess (?). Her fake hair with black eyebrows looks ridiculous. Imagine seeing this shit in The Viking movie.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Dragons
          >Cool!
          >Ice zombies
          >Awesome!
          >Shadow assassins
          >Why not?
          >Black eyebrows
          >WHAT THE FRICK REEEEEEEEE!!!! REEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Ice zombies are more realistic than her bewbs are.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Black eyebrows look hotter
          Eyebrowlet women are digusting

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's mostly just a whig deconstruction of Tolkien (what was Aragorn's tax policy?) that was built upon myths that everyone in medieval period was dirty, evil and shat his pants and that the nobles roamed around killing people for fun. It's as dumb as medieval period in children's cartoons, where the opposite is the case.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      t. didn't read the books

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I didn't, I watched it only because I was visiting grandmother and there was no internet.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The books where the Lannisters in Harrenhal just mindlessly slaughter, rape and torture their own peasantry for fun, the Brotherhood Without Banners are just as into rape and slaughter as everyone else and Jeyne Poole is the universes onahole for no reason?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >the Lannisters in Harrenhal just mindlessly slaughter, rape and torture their own peasantry
          The mercenaries (Brave Companions) did it, not the nobles.

          >the Brotherhood Without Banners are just as into rape and slaughter as everyone else
          They don't, they hang soldiers from both sides of the war.

          >Jeyne Poole is the universes onahole for no reason
          That happened once and if can't understand why the you are a moronic speed reader.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >No, see, the teenage girl being repeatedly violently raped and tortured is absolutely vital to the artistic vision

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            assumedly the exact words stephen king says whenever he has to publish anything.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Amory lorch and Gregor clegane are nobles

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      So not a good representation?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, it's a fantasy that became especially dumb in later seasons.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >It's mostly just a whig deconstruction of Tolkien
      Shit take, especially as the fat frick was quite open about it being lifted from The Accursed Kings series.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Not well. Imagine someone speed read a book of European history, mashed bits of it together and then threw in a bunch of rape and sexual assault for shock value. That's the worldwide phenomenon called Game of Thrones.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Imagine someone speed read a book of European history, mashed bits of it together and then threw in a bunch of rape and sexual assault for shock value.
      This. It's a very shallow understanding of history but with more rape and dragons.
      Also, GRRM is a gynourmous fedora, so his fantasy medieval setting has very weak, token religions, and all the characters basically act like modern people in terms of religiosity which is very different from the middle ages mindset. He wrote every character as a cynical atheist that pays lip service to the Church / Old Gods. And the Church itself as a passive, corrupt entity who does pretty much nothing (unlike the omnipresent Medieval Church) and which for some reason tolerates mixed faith marriages and the North following a different religion. IRL, there would have been missionaries sent to evangelize the North and an inquition to hang those Red Priest c**ts.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        how was the attitude towards religion ?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Well, nearly everyone was very religious. Remember, France rallied to war around a peasant girl who had religious hallucinations. An interfaith marriage would not have been approved, and the Church had to approve divorces and legitimization of bastards, which was much more rare than in GOT. While there was a lot of hypocrisy in regards to religion among the nobility, most people were deeply religious and the Church had much more power.

          Speaking of bastards, they are treated pretty tamely in GOT compared to real life, in real life they would not have been allowed to share the same roof as the legitimate family, or walk around with obvious bastard names like Snow. Their parent may have sent them money or made sure that they were well provided for, but that was usually the extent of their relationship.

          In the GOT universe, this is explained away due to the Church revolting in the early Targaryen years and being crushed, so their power was kept in check, which is fine, but very different from real medieval dynamics.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            For an accurate idea of how bastards were treated, I recommend the book The Scarlet City by Hella Haasse. It's the fictionalized account of one of the Borgia bastards, in Renaissance Italy. He's the main character. He has no contact with the actual Borgias except a few childhood memories of being at their place a few times as a little kid. Later on he gets shipped off to be part of the French court because having a bastard was embarassing and you wanted them as far away as possible. Then he returns to Italy to take part in the Italian Wars, basically as a common footsoldier seeking glory, because he was a nobody with delusions of grandeur.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The books are pretty good but the world is very diferent from our own, although the social structures are similar they are not the same.
    When you get deep into its obvious it could only be writen by someone who loves history.

    The show is good in the earlier seasons but, like the show Spartacus, it has a weird focus on sex scenes.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, it's someone who watched a documentary about the Wars of the Roses once, swapped a few names around and then dumped a bucket of shit and rape over it.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I won't have a discussion with you about the TV show because that butchers Martin's books. His books however have a lot of realistic things heavily inspired by medieval world, primarily 15th Century England. The problem is he actually pisses off a lot of historians because the history is all over the place. He's mixing in bronze age with 16th century at times and it makes no sense. The worst part about A Song of Ice and Fire is that characters do not think or act medieval but rather they think and act more modern without a faint of morality or religion. Much of the themes of family read like a lecture of the patriarchy. The books will have you believe that medieval women in the nobility were so oppressed when in fact historically women in the gentry had a immense amount of power. It's really quite silly to believe that a world with long winters would in any way function like our own or be a possible explanation why they have been functioning in the middle ages for thousands upon thousands of years. Which brings me to one of the most stupid concepts in the books being that medieval families are able to say so homogenized for generations with the same holdings longer than some of the longest medieval families in history. Also the way land tenure works in the seven kingdoms is nothing like England. More similar to continental land.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >primarily 15th Century England
      Heraldic autism is certainly there, e.g. coat of arms didn't become a thing before the 13th century, and wasn't the norm before the 14th. By the 15th they had become autistic about them, king of England employed a special ministry to approve new coat of arms and solve copyright disputes over them (they were considered individual property).
      Another aspect is the bastard feudalism, heavy reliance on magnates running around their extended retinues.
      Other than that I don't recall anything similar to 15th-century England, there is no emergence of gunpowder, no universities being founded, and no popular revolts.

      I think the biggest difference is how urban environments in Westeros just suck, there are few cities and even those seem to have little autonomy or importance.
      In 15th-century England, cities were very important, they were ruled by aldermen who were richer than most nobles. The king of England couldn't even enter London without an invite from the lord mayor. And those cities were wealthy, for instance, during HYW English kings bankrupted themselves, and most of the debt was owed to their cities.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        George himself says it's based off 15th century England in Wars of the Roses as well as The Acursed Kings about Philip IV. The entire Westeros is very reminiscent of England. However, there are no families holding certain lands for thousands of years in England. It's all mixed up and lord's assume the name of their land, not family.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >George himself says it's based off 15th century England in Wars of the Roses as well as The Acursed Kings about Philip IV
          death of the author

          >The entire Westeros is very reminiscent of England
          again, how

          what did the cities do economically?
          did they own also land around them?

          They took a toll on every merchant goods entering the city, they also took cut out of every sold item within the city.
          They only paid a fixed tax to the king, which was a meager fraction from their income.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            but so the merchants had to pay upfront before selling

            but I understand that's easier to impose as a tax the sales tax since it's not like they had electronic payments back then, how was states accounting and tax enforcement done?

            Well, nearly everyone was very religious. Remember, France rallied to war around a peasant girl who had religious hallucinations. An interfaith marriage would not have been approved, and the Church had to approve divorces and legitimization of bastards, which was much more rare than in GOT. While there was a lot of hypocrisy in regards to religion among the nobility, most people were deeply religious and the Church had much more power.

            Speaking of bastards, they are treated pretty tamely in GOT compared to real life, in real life they would not have been allowed to share the same roof as the legitimate family, or walk around with obvious bastard names like Snow. Their parent may have sent them money or made sure that they were well provided for, but that was usually the extent of their relationship.

            In the GOT universe, this is explained away due to the Church revolting in the early Targaryen years and being crushed, so their power was kept in check, which is fine, but very different from real medieval dynamics.

            how religious were people?
            religious as in old people of today that go to church every week and truly believe but dont do much else or like Muslim fanatics of today that would kill and maim people for what we think is trivial stuff bc it's against their religious rules?

            what did the church do and how did it work?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >religious as in old people of today that go to church every week and truly believe but dont do much else or like Muslim fanatics of today that would kill and maim people for what we think is trivial stuff bc it's against their religious rules?
            I would say, much closer to Muslim fanatics today. GOT universe tropes like "nobiliry drinking moon tea" to abort, or different religions coexisting and people "swearing by the old gods and the new" are completely alien to the real-life Middle Ages. Attitudes towards other religions (ie. Catholicism vs Anglicanism) ranged from open persecution and suppression to a bit more tolerance depending on the era but never full coexistence. And a non-Christian cult like Islam or paganism was anathema, and ruthlessly suppressed.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Abortions didn't happen in the middle ages
            Patently false, but if your point was that nobility didn't do it that's probably true.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            suppressed by religious institutions or random people?
            why were they so strongly religious?

            what was the role of the church?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >how was states accounting and tax enforcement done?
            The King had a ministry of tax collection working under the lord steward. They would dispatch treasurers to collect from certain places once a year.
            The collectors themselves were wholesome, like the partial reason for the Peasant's War was the outrage from the tax collector's habit to rape peasant girls on duty.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            so there were official guys that were enabled by law to use force to exact taxes, but what taxes were those?
            I imagine they were simple taxes like lump sums and not income/property/sales tax since that's info they've couldn't have access to

            why rape peasant girls?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >very reminiscent of England
            More Australia feel

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >again, how
            Seriously anon?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        what did the cities do economically?
        did they own also land around them?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It's where most specialist craftsmen were based.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Imagine someone speed read a book of European history, mashed bits of it together and then threw in a bunch of rape and sexual assault for shock value.
      This. It's a very shallow understanding of history but with more rape and dragons.
      Also, GRRM is a gynourmous fedora, so his fantasy medieval setting has very weak, token religions, and all the characters basically act like modern people in terms of religiosity which is very different from the middle ages mindset. He wrote every character as a cynical atheist that pays lip service to the Church / Old Gods. And the Church itself as a passive, corrupt entity who does pretty much nothing (unlike the omnipresent Medieval Church) and which for some reason tolerates mixed faith marriages and the North following a different religion. IRL, there would have been missionaries sent to evangelize the North and an inquition to hang those Red Priest c**ts.

      Medieval people were more religious than modern people and the "powerful people were always cynical atheists" trope is wrong, but despite being more religious people were not more moral. The same lord who constantly waged war and ransacked the countryside would use his wealth to build churches and monasteries, and he would believe himself to be (at least trying to be) a good Christian, but maintained a state of cognitive dissonance between his profession (warrior) and his religion (Christianity, in which there is really no place for warriors).

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Correct.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Christianity, in which there is really no place for warriors
        Wrong

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          There isn't. Just war doctrine and related topics were created centuries after Christianity became dominant in Europe as a way to cope with the reality that warlords wield secular power.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It is the medieval ages written from the point of view of an American leftist who self-admittedly was inspired by pop-culture shows and stories (yes Shakespear too falls into this category).

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      anyway regardless of accuracy I think the serie is pretty good I'm enjoying it quite a bit

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >beside Anglo civil war of the Rose
    Hungary, Russia and Byzantium

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Martin was about as accurate on the Middle Ages in A Song of Ice and Fire as Howard was accurate about the Bronze Ages in Conan the Barbarian.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Medieval times was le bad, everyone wore brown and green clothes, and the nobles were all buttholes who killed people for fun.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The dothrakis and insullied
    shows that GRRM is an historylet

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      why the dothrakis?

      unsullied I havent arrived to yet

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The unsullied aren't that unreasonable, slave soldier armies were pretty common in some times and places. The fact that they're made eunuchs en masse is a little iffy, though, just because that was an extremely dangerous procedure with a low rate of survivability, so while it was done to harem guards or tax collectors it would be a lot harder to scale up to an entire army.

        The fact that the Dothraki don't make more use out of bows and lances is moronic, though, and does show Martin has no idea how actual steppe hordes fought.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          didn't slave armies revolt since they were fighting for people who I imagine destroyed their former homes and killed the people there and then enslaved them? I can't imagine their morale being that high

          also why make tax collectors eunuchs? so that they don't get horny and accept sex instead if being paid the tax? does having your balls cut off actually make you bit attracted to women? and was it just balls or the dick too?
          I imagine in those times having such a big wound would have high risk of infection and death

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Slave armies were really successful and used for centuries in the Islamic world. Mamelukes and Janissaries could actually be very fierce soldiers with a lot of loyalty to their sultan/master. Obviously this wasn't always the case, like the Mamelukes in Egypt who overthrew their masters and started their own dynasty, but free armies rebelled all the time too.

            >also why make tax collectors eunuchs?
            Just government officials in general. Eastern Romans or Chinese found it useful to have a eunuch in charge of collecting taxes or being the general in an army, since they would in theory have no family loyalties, no heir of their own to be jockeying for in court intrigue, and would be looked down on by everyone else for being half-men, therefore making it harder for them to make political alliances. Again sometimes this only worked in theory.

            >and was it just balls or the dick too?
            Usually just the balls
            > does having your balls cut off actually make you bit attracted to women?
            IDK. Probably just asexual in general.
            >I imagine in those times having such a big wound would have high risk of infection and death
            Correct

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They are naked gypsies with bronze age gear but GRRM hypes them as invicible medieval turko-mongols and even medieval turko-mongols got BTFO a lot

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Take this with a grain of salt since it has been many years since I've read it but from what I remember the dothraki wear no armor at all
        GRRM writings of Essos is ridiculous in general

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Not only do they not bother with armor, they mainly use khapesh swords which aren't ideal to fight with from horseback. They would be fine to carry as a sidearm, but their main weapons of choice should be bows and lances.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty good except the part were you'll have families like the starks or whatever ruling the same kingdom for like 7000 years, even if the narration of the stories in the books are ment to be read biasedly it's still a ridiculous amount of time.
    Like yeah I just have to believe Valyria ruled such a stagnant territory for like 5000 years and never tried to advance any further to anywhere after defeating the rhoynar

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    never really got into the series (i've tried like 2-3 times to read the books, get bored when the incest twins execute some kid by throwing him out a window), but in general modern fantasy gets how communal medieval life was. A successful man would live with his family, his adopted children, other fighting men who he had feudal relationship with, various pilgrims who were visiting, another entire servant family, etc. They did not live remotely private lives.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      like the sheer amount of domestic servants is a huge difference between the modern upper middle class person and a medieval one. An upper middle class person today has a maid come once a week, a well to do person in the middle ages would have an entire live-in-family.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >but what taxes were those?
    A land value tax sort of...
    England was subdivided into thousands of manor districts, each manor was assigned a knight's fee value based on how size and fertility of the land.
    The farmland of land was then leased out to farmers, who would pay a fixed amount of yield to the lord of the manor as their rent. But there was a disparity between the amount how much manors earned and how much they paid tax to their liege, because manors were measured in knight's fee.
    By the 15th century, most knight's fees didn't actually represent the actual worth of the manor, because updating knight's fees were difficult, and most manors followed outdated estimates (e.g. Domesday Book). Hence the lords of manors paid only a meager fraction of their income as a tax because farming had become more effective.

    In desperation to fix this system, England and France began collecting irregular poll tax during the early modern period. England collected its first poll tax in the 1370s, and while it was an effective source of revenue, it was widely unpopular (rapes being one reason). And resulted in Peasant's Revolt in 1381, after which they stopped collecting poll tax until the 17th century.

    >why rape peasant girls?
    Why not rape a cute peasant girl if you can get away with it? What are they gonna do, it's her word against a king's man.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      meant for

      so there were official guys that were enabled by law to use force to exact taxes, but what taxes were those?
      I imagine they were simple taxes like lump sums and not income/property/sales tax since that's info they've couldn't have access to

      why rape peasant girls?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >What are they gonna do
      peasants could sue their lords in the actual middle ages, and did frequently.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        In what court? Manorial courts (only held twice a year) were managed by the staff of its lord, so seems unlikely anything would come out of it.
        Surely you mean suing the manager of the manor, the bailiff? Because most lords of manors owned hundreds of manor across England and were not involved in managing them.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    for a fantasy series it's actually pretty accurate

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why? Why didn't the valyrians centralized their empire using their dragons and a robust bureaucratic core?
    And yeah I know valyria wasn't a feudal state don't worry about it.

    I just hate feudalism so much it's unreal. It's unreal dude!

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's very inaccurate. The characters don't think, act, behave and talk like medieval people. Rather they're modern people in a medieval world. A very good example of this is the religiosity of the characters. Religion is a joke in ASoIaF. Nobody seems to believe let alone practice their own religion.

    Also, the marriage of Ned and Catelyn could never have happened.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This, the North's religion is literally just praying to a tree for example, even isolated tribes in Papua New Guinea have a more developed theology than that

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It is a simplified edgier rendition of medieval society which confuses cynicism with realism. In the real world littlefinger and the spider's silly little plots wouldn't get very far. Cersei would be surrounded by servants and staff at all times. Jaime also would be near constantly observed. GRRM reads about something like the black dinner and decides "I'll copy that" without really thinking much about the background and nature of the event.

    The modern audience wants to know about the treatment of women, homosexuals and different cultures, races and religions, the class system and labor relations. However this was a society in which 95% of the population were subsistence farmers or laborers more concerned about preventing famine with only a small population of artisans, merchants, soldiers and nobility who utilized the very small surplus, their concerns were rooted in this reality, trade, war or any hypothetical revolution was limited by it and tied to it.

    The world of Tolkien better represents the medieval mind. Take a humble blacksmith, society furnished a boy with a sought after apprenticeship at a young age because these skills take years to learn and that's really the only way to do it. He was gifted these skills very valuable to his community and uses them to keep his family out of poverty who will likewise help him if he is sick or in trouble. It is not so much that they are oppressed and pigeonholed into these roles, it was about blood and kin and oaths of loyalty. Similar with Theoden and Aragorn or whoever with their respective roles, they have a duty to fulfil and they really were faithful and virtuous. Traditions were not superstitions they discover to be lies and reject, as boomers like GRRM had the luxury of doing in the 60s, consider JRRT at the same age was in the trenches,

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      thanks, so most people were farmers that couldn't spare any time for other stuff because the efficiency of the farming of the time was low and they were always struggling to be afloat and a bad harvest away from famine and brutal events of desperation by hungry people?

      was that true of most of mans history before industrialization?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        they spent time doing typical hillbilly shit, playing grabee ass, feuding with the neighbors, more successful ones would be building up capital in the form of labor creating devices like waterwheels. Even by the 11th century England was more industrialized than China.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >playing grabee ass
          ?
          >feuding with the neighbours
          you mean the nobles or the peasants? I'm confused

          did the peasants sell their produce or was it all consumed (subsistence farming)

          >successful ones
          what made a peasant successful?

          could anyone learn a trade like metalsmith or was there some thing to it like it was reached only from father to son etc

          btw I recognize I dont know shit about the medieval but at least I'm aware of it, most people just spout moronic stereotypes without second thoughts and think it's true

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            peasants feuded with each other all the time over all sorts of petty shit, murder was extremely popular as well.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        what did the kings do? what did the nobles under them do?

        I guess in that time they had VERY much less control over the population compared to today's governments, and I also imagine people were less used to being servile to the government's rules, like see how people just mostly follow the law and obey to regulations etc that get enacted (a crowd with some paper boards protesting doesnt count as true rebellion), but for the nothing I know about medieval times it seems that the peasant were a more hostile population to their masters in cases of outrageous (in their opinion) rules being put on them, and also harder for the nobles and kings to enforce the law and taxes since monitoring people and having info and communicating was harder, so you needed more broad stroked things like we said in a post above about taxes, this leads me to think that there was a balance, you didn't frick too much with the peasants and they would accept your bullshit, because in case of misbehaving you would send a message by like wiping out an entire village or something like that

        correct me where im wrong

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          peasants mostly did their own shit, had their own leaders, etc. You collected rents yearly, and if you needed more cash you sicced a israelite on them. If things got out of hand that might come to you for justice but basically you didn't really want to hang out with moronic superstitious half-pagan peasants more than you had to.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            can we specify better what a peasant is?

            my understanding is this:

            -people that live in the countryside

            -small villages made of a number of people sufficient for labouring the land around it, not more bc they'd be out of job, maybe a bit more to provide services to the farmers, but my point is that there's a pop cap based on soil fertility and labour efficiency, very low pop density, small villages with a new one every x km (x being the radius of the distance the pop in the village could walk to work the land in a day and come back home)

            -they had some livestock used to produce useful things like milk for cheese butter etc, eggs, not meat bc you need the animals for producing the stuff I said bc it'll feed you for longer than the meat since it keeps being produced
            animals get killed when too old or I'll and I guess the meat was sold bc its valuable and not eaten most of the time

            -the land was owned by some noble guy so periodically some guy comes and asks for money for these lands and/or a part of the crops yield of that year, I dont know how the land was assigned tho

            -they truly believed in God's existence and the prescribed rules of religion, religion propagated itself by being tought by parents to new humans that were born and didn't have religion and since everyone believed it and there was no outside thoughts coming to disrupt their belief they were solid in believing it

            -idk how the church worked or what it did

            -peasants were mostly oblivious to the outside of their village but got some news from idk someone who passed from there as a traveler or people that lived close in other villages, but then news traveled slowly

            -idk how kings and nobles worked and what they did and how they became such, same for armies aside from the fact that I believe soldiers didn't give a shit about their lord but were doing it for money and the potential loot, basically to have a better life than subsistence farmers, unlike today's armies were yes

            1/? cont.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            cont from

            people go for economic security but there's also more of a feeling of nationalism and belonging to a nation (for some people at least)

            -crime, as we define it today at least, was more common due to people being less "tamed" than today and also no law enforcement to come and arrest you because you had a brawl and stabbed a guy, or for some bandits to come and steal shit, but I think thay you did some nasty things like raping someone others in the village would frick with you and kill you

            -people died alot more bc of diseases and wounds due to lesser medical capabilities and hygiene, aside from about the famines that sometimes occurred

            -farmers had a lot of spare time in some periods of the year bc they wouldn't be farming, like in winter, idk what they did

            -they had a lot of children for 3 reasons: fricking without condoms, need them to work and provide for you when you're old, alot died in their first years so you need to pump out more, women also died giving birth

            -idk what cities did, but the guy above said there were skilled labourers and merchants, but who did merchants trade with if almost everyone was poor as shit, I guess nobles and such, and maybe skilled labourers that had some disposable income?

            -people rarely moved and were born lived and died in the same place unless displaced by war like being kidnapped or their village destroyed

            2/2 correct me where I'm wrong

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Oh look, another moron!
            >-people rarely moved and were born lived and died in the same place unless displaced by war like being kidnapped or their village destroyed
            What do you think pilgrimages were? Literally a vacation to foreign countries for peasants and nobles alike, that one YouTube guy talked about this in a lengthy video once. But basically road networks were pretty well developed so you could just walk in general direction of your target, sometimes asking the locals for specific directions, and you could get anywhere.
            Being displaced by war didn't happen anymore often back then than how often it happens today - in fact places like middle east are probably more war torn today than they were back then. You just live in some comfortable country like USA probably.
            >-idk what cities did, but the guy above said there were skilled labourers and merchants, but who did merchants trade with if almost everyone was poor as shit, I guess nobles and such, and maybe skilled labourers that had some disposable income?
            Skilled labourers made stuff for peasants and nobles alike. Furniture, farm tools, horseshoes, clothes - that's what skilled labourers primarily made. Just because there's some chink shit Ikea furniture on the market today doesn't mean that you would be anymore richer than peasants back then if you decided to only buy wooden furniture made by manual labor.
            >-farmers had a lot of spare time in some periods of the year bc they wouldn't be farming, like in winter, idk what they did
            Autumn - berry and mushroom picking, harvests, fishing; winter - fishing, knitting, feeding animals, cutting wood for the next season (it's easier to do during the winter), and fricking around drinking fermented honey for half a day
            >-people died alot more bc of diseases and wounds due to lesser medical capabilities and hygiene, aside from about the famines that sometimes occurred
            Meme

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >>-people died alot more bc of diseases and wounds due to lesser medical capabilities and hygiene, aside from about the famines that sometimes occurred
            >Meme
            Not a meme at all. If you survived childhood you had about a 50% chance of living to 60, which isn't as bad as the grimdark deathpit that pop culture portrays history as, but that's still a far cry from modern stats. An infected tooth, an infected cut, smallpox, malaria, a burst appendix, and a million other things that are perfectly survivable today would have easily killed you before modern medicine.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >pilgrimages are vacations
            Stopped reading your moronic post right there.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >-they had some livestock used to produce useful things like milk for cheese butter etc, eggs, not meat bc you need the animals for producing the stuff I said bc it'll feed you for longer than the meat since it keeps being produced
            animals get killed when too old or I'll and I guess the meat was sold bc its valuable and not eaten most of the time
            Peasant ate meat (as in wild game) at least once a week - but yeah meat was expensive due to increasing population density. Fenerally their protein intake came from fish, eggs, and dairy products.
            >-the land was owned by some noble guy so periodically some guy comes and asks for money for these lands and/or a part of the crops yield of that year, I dont know how the land was assigned tho
            Original nobles were knight class pretty much. Later on the tradition got kept up so you could become a noble (as in gain land) by displaying bravery during wars. This motivated people to die for their ruler.
            >people go for economic security but there's also more of a feeling of nationalism and belonging to a nation (for some people at least)
            Pagans fought for their tribes, christian armies fought for their king who was a semi divine persona (as in kings were said to be assigned to their role by God himself) quite often. And they had a reason to suck king's dick since the king could give you land for your deeds during battles.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            https://leslefts.blogspot.com/2014/04/beyond-peawieners-what-most-medieval.html
            What I got away from this is that regular access to meat was not guaranteed, but certainly not unthinkable either. Keep in mind this is also in the early XIV century when Europe's population was at its highest.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty much. A lot revolved around land and corn, it crops up all the time. Caesar needs corn from this gallic allies, Cao Cao seizes grain stores, legionaries want land as a reward for service, a tribe seeks land to settle, nobles contest a plot of land, farmers get into debt and sell their land to a large landowner, land is divided between someone's sons leading to disputes. Cities were expensive and full of disease, it was easier to support a laborer in a rural area and they would if it were economical, hence cottage industries like spinning wool.

        >the efficiency of the farming of the time was low
        Even if a fertile region could produce an ample surplus there would still be poverty because populations grew to fit the resources available and the grain would typically be exported. There was heavy competition for land and work, if you wanted to stay out of poverty you sought status in your community, skills and family connections and you would be grateful for any fortune in life.

        what did the kings do? what did the nobles under them do?

        I guess in that time they had VERY much less control over the population compared to today's governments, and I also imagine people were less used to being servile to the government's rules, like see how people just mostly follow the law and obey to regulations etc that get enacted (a crowd with some paper boards protesting doesnt count as true rebellion), but for the nothing I know about medieval times it seems that the peasant were a more hostile population to their masters in cases of outrageous (in their opinion) rules being put on them, and also harder for the nobles and kings to enforce the law and taxes since monitoring people and having info and communicating was harder, so you needed more broad stroked things like we said in a post above about taxes, this leads me to think that there was a balance, you didn't frick too much with the peasants and they would accept your bullshit, because in case of misbehaving you would send a message by like wiping out an entire village or something like that

        correct me where im wrong

        Kings were figureheads of a group of nobles, a kind of alliance. Later institutions helped guarantee their right of succession and limit disputes over power, however in earlier eras they were more like warlords, comparable to the mafia.

        A baron might agree there should be taxes to raise an army for the defense of the realm, in principle, but they will try to get out of paying taxes personally, it was the King's job to make sure things are running smoothly and everyone is doing their part. If they lacked the influence to do this or their subordinates disliked their policies, the system would break down, they might ask the King to yield authority to an advisor or another figurehead might challenge him.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    GoT is liberal propaganda with the objective of painting medieval times as brutal and savage. I had enough of communist corn syrup drinking morons who think that everyone died before they reached their thirties back then. I always tell these utter morons that peasant back then worked less than modern days wagies, and that they actually enjoyed things like going on vacation to other countries few times in their lifetimes, music, daily alcohol and fun, lots of meat fish, honey, and they always look at me in awe.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Finally, a good fricking history thread.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    like a castle wasn't just an anonymous home, it was a place of intense, suffocatingly so interpersonal relationships. Your bros would go hunting with you, your bros would eat with you, your bros would share your bed if you weren't banging the wife, etc. Its the hardest thing for moderns to understand and replicate, the complete lack of privacy.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >How precisely does game of thrones represent medieval social structures/politics/castle intrigues and succession of the kings/war/geopolitics

    GRRM has a pop-culture understanding of history, the average denizen of IQfy knows more then him.

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Westeros is roughly the size of South America
    The fat c**t actually said this. There is absolutely no way such a large landmass was as centralized and under a single state for as long as it has been in these shitty books. The OG Targaryans had dragons, fair enough, but even before Robert's rebellion there hadn't been dragons for hundreds of years. The fact that individual kingdoms would pay lip service to some c**t 4000km away in king's landing is ridiculous.

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No, the state is way too centralized. They also have highly efficient explosives that are apparently easy to produce, yet still fight by horseback. Also that wall in the north is stupid, the wall would be impenetrable if it weren't for those pointless patrols they make.

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