fun fact

all northern larping haplogroups are southern in origin. south colonising north was common through all european history, it is normal and completly natural, so you should not resist migration from middle east. remember that agricultural revolution was brought to europe by middle easterners

  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      thx, another example of middle eastern civillisation influence on Europe, which made Europe truly great

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    No. Your map is wrong, sorry.

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    R1a and R1b came to southern Europe from the north in the late 4th and 3rd millennia BC. Germanic and Slavic subclades of Hg I also came from the north in the 1st millennium AD. To find any southern origin of Hg I you have to go way back to the Paleolithic.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      From the East, really.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I wouldnt call Germany "The East"
        if you mean through ANE, ok well Yana lived further north than is habitable today.
        they were so far north half their homeland is under water and ice now.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      IE migration paths till antiquity
      source: my head

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Mostly correct, but the Bell Beakers came from Corded Ware, not Yamnaya. BB and CWC both had Hg P312, which is a different branch from Yamnaya's Z2103. There was a big study on this in September 2021.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      R1b in modern euros is Bell beaker, which is WHG in origin
      Steppe r1b exists in yamnaya, and bell beakers descended from r1a corded ware, not yamnaya

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        No, R1b in west Europe is from EHG

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Isn't oldest r1b in whg and not ehg?
          Ehgs were 1/3 whg and they didn't live in western europe

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >and bell beakers descended from r1a corded ware

        Then why R1a is irrelevant in western europeans ? (from France to Iberian Peninsula, Italy or England)

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's not the homeland of R1b

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    True
    Also northern and western europeans selected for the phenotype of the near eastern farmers that moved to the north

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Funnelbeakers have nothing to do with Western Europeans.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Phenotypically they do, as a north EEF population

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Those phenotypes don't exist in Western Europe anymore.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Phenotypically related doesn't mean identical
            My point is, N and W europeans do not look like yamnaya or steppe maykop or other early steppe people. At all. Their phenotypes are mainly EEF variations and even look more like arabs than they do steppe

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              For reference

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Steppe phenotype

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Those "reconstructions" were made by a twink fetishist that loves Dagestani men. They never looked like that.

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >so you should not resist migration from middle east.

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