from the moral point of view is it justified to target civilians (or relatives thereof( of a country that is trying to occupy yours when they're obviously involved in an ideological warfare against you? are there any philosophies/philosophers who've attempted to provide an ethical basis for application of principle of collective responsibility?
It's just like Hiroshima.
You could say that the end justifies the means.
I look at it like this:
Here in Germany, 95-year olds still get thrown in jail because they were working something related to the Holocaust. Civilians got bombed all the time, there are still bombs killing construction workers or children who dig them up in alot of cities and woods.
Nobody gives a shit.
If my country started killing and deporting people I'd get the fuck out of here with my family as soon as I can away to somewhere far away like Spain or Portugal. If you stay here it's your own problem.
From what I can see Russian civilians either ignore the war and war crimes or even support it and laugh about it so they deserve everything.
People should learn from history - dumb ass Russians celebrating victory day against Nazis every year and then behave like Nazis themselves.
then terrorism is morally justified
The Mutt version of morality is "We did it against an evil person therefore it is good". They are what no deontology do to a mfer.
And their definition of evil is "Someone who is my enemy".
>The Mutt version of morality is "We did it against an evil person therefore it is good"
>their definition of evil is "Someone who is my enemy"
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>If my country started killing and deporting people I'd get the fuck out of here with my family as soon as I can away to somewhere far away like Spain or Portugal
That's not that easy. Not everyone can afford to go, many people don't want to live the lives they've build behind or have nowhere to go, many people have hope that "how bad can it really be, right?". Some israelites stayed in Germany in the 30s because they figured this will all blow over and people living close the the frontline in Ukraine today stay for reasons listed above.
Also I hate to be devils advocate, but I can at least feel sympathy for some Russian people who get shafted by the system and/or told propaganda lies over and over until they start believing them
Ukrainians celebrate the war crimes of ukrainians therefore murdering ukrainian civilians is justified
Murder is never justified. Everything else is psychopathic cope.
Murder in self-defense is absolutely justified.
if you kill your enemies they win
you can start very specialized, like targeting individuals like presidents and politicians due to their direct involvement in bills and decisions (JFK, Dugin, Soleimani)
and then taken to its logical conclusion, you can target generally, targeting civilians (especially in democracies, given that they themselves vote in the said politicians who enact the bills)
so for example, would some middle eastern terrorist group be justified in targeting american citizens for voting in bush for a second term? would the same terrorist group be justified in targeting JUST bush? idk lmao
Dugin’s influence over the Russian government is greatly exaggerated in Western media. He has never met Putin, never held an official position or advisory role within his government. He was even forced out of his Professor job at Moscow State University in 2015 because he was being autistically hateful to Ukraine at a time when the Kremlin had just signed the Minsk accords. More to the point, there are many amongst Russia’s modern intellectual/political elite that are anti-western, anti-liberal, and favour Russia to create an alternate power bloc in Asia/Eastern Europe. If Dugin had died year’s ago, there would be no real change to the Kremlin’s outlook and foreign policy.
Dugin ironically got more attention from the Western media because he could easily be construed as an unhinged pantomime villain. Between 2014-21, US Neocons were trying their best to make Russia look scary to the wider Western world, hoping to use the Russian threat to shore up flagging commitment to NATO (especially Germany, who the US wanted to wean off their gas exports). However, nobody cared that much about the Donbas war outside Ukraine, except some states like Poland or the Baltic’s. Dugin, who took every opportunity he could to speak to Western media, was perfect for stoking fear of Russia. His rambling warmongering and incoherent criticism of the West made Russia seem highly unreasonable and aggressive, while offering no popular critique of the West that a western audience could take seriously. Thus, it was useful to make Dugin seem like part of Putin’s inner-circle, and not actually just some hack. Now that Russia has (deservedly) lived up to all the worst predictions of US Necons, shoring up NATO and giving Europe cause to wean itself off their gas, Dugin is no longer needed. This SBU/CIA hit was more to make it look as though the Kremlin’s too weak to protect its ally, but really Dugin isn’t close enough to Putin to have a government security detail.
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>you can start very specialized, like targeting individuals like presidents and politicians due to their direct involvement in bills and decisions (JFK, Dugin, Soleimani)
I see the Kremlin propaganda department are really torching their relationship with Dugin over this bombing, I wonder why?
Slavs kill slavs all the time they don't need any justification
>principle of collective responsibility?
No, but it's prevalent. The ukronazis have been shelling civilians since 2014, and bragging about it. So it's accepted apparently.
>is it justified to target civilians
No.
>are there any philosophies/philosophers who've attempted to provide an ethical basis for application of principle of collective responsibility?
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/terrorism/
in the real world where there are some things that are more sacred than others (e.g. I would not go and blow up a church or synagogue even if I was sure that that was what the mullahs in Iran wanted me to do but I would never blow up a mosque or a sacred shrine in the belief that it would save me or my family from being bombed.
Who's this guy?
He is philosopher who invented Russian ideology.
He's local shizo and this whole plot is just a waste of explosives.
t. russian
you guys were praising him as a prophet until your bosses told you to stop. Do you think we have the memory of a fucking goldfish, ivan?
Don't push your strawman on me.
fuck off, shill.
ywnbw
why are ukrainians losing? I thought they were le strong?
>moral point of you
Morality isn't real midwit. For some it's immoral for others it's moral
I just wish people were honest about being bloodthirsty