Fort Sumter

Who was in the wrong?

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Probably the guys who started shooting at someone else's property.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Probably the guys who were threatening someone's lives AND property by not leaving a fortification

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Why should they leave the fortification? They weren't in any jurisdictions of the states land. They were legally allowed to be there. You want to know what isn't legal? Shooting at Federal property.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >LAW IS MORALITY
        absoulute state of northeners

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >morality
          Who brought that up? What makes it immoral for the yanks to keep ownership of their own property?

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    ever wonder why the guy occupying the fort isn't talked about

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Anderson? What about him?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Hmm what about him indeed

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          He was the son of Ander?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      it was a federal fort. it's not like the union army came in and took it after secession. the same troops that were there before secession were there after.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The Union troops weren't "occupying" the fort. It was their fort. The South Carolina state government had willingly ceded Fort Sumter to the federal government in 1836 so that they would not have to bear the cost of maintaining and garrisoning the fort.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        What were the Yankees doing on foreign soil? They left all the other forts in SC. Both sides are to blame at the very least.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >foreign soil
          South Carolina sold the island Fort Sumter was built on to the Federal government in perpetuity. The fort, and the very soil it stood upon, was Federal property.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            so you're saying an illegal invasion force crossed into south Carolina's territory to occupy a fort

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              The fort was already occupied by federal troops.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                No it wasn't. The feds deliberately moved their forces into the fort after abandoning their previous one.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Apologies, Anderson moved his garrison from one fort under his command to another a mile across the water. This could hardly be considered an act of aggression, especially in the face of the Confederates raiding every armory they could get their hands on.

            • 7 days ago
              Anonymous

              >illegal invasion force
              a legal government garrison. there is literally no interpretation of any law you might give that could possibly reckon the pre-war occupation of the fort to be illegal or an invasion in any way.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                So in your mind how is an illegal invasion force crossing your sovereign territory of a now seceded state not cause for alarm

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >seccesion happens
                >all federal troops in Confederate territory walk back to Federal land
                >OH MY GOD LOOK THEY ARE INVADING
                Again. What do you expect them to do other than walk? How were they supposed to leave other than walking? Walking through territory to get back to federal land isn't invading.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                So in your mind how is an illegal invasion force crossing your sovereign territory of a now seceded state not cause for alarm

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                How do you expect troops to leave the state other than walking out of said state?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                They weren't "leaving" though? They were invading

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                How were they invading? They were just going to their fort that they legally owned.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                when you send an army into a rival country's territory it's called invading

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >SC seceded
                >Union troops still in SC move to from Forts legally owned by SC to the federally owned Fort Sumpter
                >this is an invasion
                Please explain hownthe troops still in Confederate territory is supposed to leave said territory other than walking? They weren't invading they were already there before secession since SC was still in the union. So please. How do the troops leave SC other than going to Fort Sumter? The closest federal territory for them.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah when you illegally move forces through enemy territory it's called invading

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                So explain what should those soldiers do then if they weren't allowed to walk?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know maybe they should sit on gif all day and jerk off like marxist naggers like yourself

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >ad homin
                Congrats. You have no answer. So the troops had every right to walk to land controlled by their country. IE Fort Sumter
                Don't know why Southern hicks had to chimp out at them litteraly going away

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                I don't really think it's ad hom when you yourself have admitted in multiple threads today you jerk off to bbc porn as a black man to get validation for being black

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >you yourself have admitted in multiple threads today
                Oh really? Show me which threads. Or are you just going to keep seething at me since you have no answer.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >who was in the wrong

    both sides for falling for stupid shit. The people behind the scenes played both sides like a fucken fiddle and gained further control of both sides. Just like today, actually.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      let me guess, the "people behind the scenes" don't include the southern plantation aristocracy, but includes ~~*them*~~

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >US suffers multiple naval invasions from the British during the War of 1812
    >After the War, decides to build coastal forts to protect against this
    >One of those forts is the cause of its next major war

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Jongo

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Be entity
    >Own property
    >Random people with no authority say no its mine
    >Uhh sorry sweetie you don’t own it anymore and are an aggressor if you uphold the law. Don’t you see this piece of paper we wrote?
    The absolute state of Cuckfederate ideology

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    How much would american history have changed if Fort Sumter was instead called Fort Sum41ter?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      For real, that woulda been sick

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      America would have become a Mormon Theocracy

      VVVGH what could have been...

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >giving Canada a fort in South Carolina
      It wouldnt have lasted long

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Zachary Taylor for dropping dead in 1850

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Yankees

  10. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Explain how leaving a previous fort that was under the jurisdiction of SC an act of war? What were the troops supposed to do? They went to the closest federal land that was available. IE the fort that was on federal land.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Because hillbillies are still malding

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >explain how a federal force illegally moving within the borders of another country is cause for alarm
      I don't know, how many times would I have to hit myself in the head with a hammer to be on your level

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        I acceptnyoyr concession since you have no argument.
        Reminder just because you have federal land in your state doesn't mean the state owns that federal land.
        Take Nevada for example. If Nevada were to hypothetically secede they would legally only be the gray areas. Everything else? Jurisdiction of the federal government of the United States of America and there is nothing Nevada could do about it.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          okay so if canada sent their army into the US the US wouldn't care because "they don't actually own the land".

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Canda doesn't own any land in the US. That fort was legally owned by the Federal government.

            • 7 days ago
              Anonymous

              Okay so if Canada wanted to get to international waters on the other side of the US and sent their army right through the middle of the US the US wouldn't care

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                What is preventing them from getting to international waters through their own territory?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Since when is the US Canadian territory?

  11. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    I swear to god at least 20% of the civil happebed because random generals were being homosexualy dickheads.
    See:missouri i think

  12. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Ruffin

    >Edmond Ruffin, whose name is familiar with every one as a distinguished agriculturalist, and latterly as a politician, committed suicide on Saturday last in Amelia county, near Mattoox station. The sad act had been duly considered by him, as his diary is said to show. He seated himself, and placing the muzzle of the musket in his mouth, sprung the trigger and landed his spirit into the eternal world, with a desperate and unnatural coolness.

    LMAO.

  13. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

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  14. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    The North, but the South was dumb for not understanding political realities and rising to the provocation.

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