For the first time in a while, I've seen people disagree internally and openly in the LGBT "+" community.
People violently going apeshit against each other, even in the biggest hugboxes of the lgbt community.
All of this because of fucking Harry Potter, of all thing.
Out of all the things that could have been the breaking point, it's a fucking GAME that acts as a breaking point.
I should be laughing my ass out until I faint, but this is just so baffling I physically cannot.
This average game has created such a shitstorm and such a divide both in and out of the LGBT community, it's almost like Rowling actually used witchcraft to make this happen.
How do you feel about this ? Is this a once in a lifetime occurrence, or is the LGBT "community" going to collapse on itself ?
Nothing. This is just gonna pass and be forgotten and maybe be brought up by retards in the future as a gotcha at most.
You're aware that trans people are fucking invisible to normal, mainstream communities outside of relatively high-profile negative shit like this right? Seriously, the only exposure your average internet user gets to trans people is the 'lgbt community' on twitter throwing a tantrum while pretending they represent everyone. Or through the jannie team of their website because, somehow, there's always a trans person on just about every reasonably sized team for some reason. There needs to be some serious cleaning of house. Otherwise it's going to be a question of reaping what others have sown for you. The optics are fucking horrible right now and only going to get worse.
Nah some people are going to remember this for a long time
WAIT they attacked a V-Tuber !?
Do they want to bring down the apocalypse or are they just particularly retarded ?
They have attacked several vtubers.
OP here, went over to /LULZ/ to meme about shit and I come back to people just arguing about stupid shit that doesn't even relate to the original comment.
Okay... this is unironically retarded. How fucking stupid do you have to be to strike the hornet nest, not just once, but several time. Do twitards really want to get on the wrong side of Vsimps (i.e. one of the most virulent community out there, and one that slurps drama and memes for breakfast) ?
What's next ? Attack Minecraft stans ?
TOTAL
VTUBER
DEATH
What divide lmao no one who cares about trans people bought it the rest is rightoids (that includes libs)
What about trans people that bought it?
Its really not much of a thing outside of twitch circles, which are generally divisive and antisocial
I've seen some pretty visceral reactions on Reedit and Twitter (and Tumblr indirectly). And I'm talking about very impressive takes, and in places that are usually literal-by-the-book hugboxes.
Honestly, it's just that this was so surreal... I mean, how can such a middling game cause so much rage and controversy from both the people that like it and the people that hate it ?
Most people are even more visceral towards veganism doesn't mean they're right.
The thing is : veganism is usualy very much a one sided battle between the "Vegan are fags" people (a.k.a. the overwhelming majority) and the Vegans (the minority). There never is controversy, just a majority suppressing a minority.
Here, people were jumping at each other left and right with pure aggressivity.
It's more surreal than "the three days of glory" of the Terf some years ago. (I'm talking about superstraight)
Oh yeah, I mainly mean when you become vegan you stop really thinking a majority opinion has any worth at all. Kinda makes you misanthropic ig
>you stop really thinking a majority opinion has any worth at all
You ever thought majority opinion had value?
Good lord I couldn't imagine veganism being that black pill for me. I gave up on majority opinion as a child because ya'lls music taste fuckin SUCKS. The top 10 songs of the year are just about always the worst 10 songs of the year.
>It's more surreal than "the three days of glory" of the Terf some years ago. (I'm talking about superstraight)
You spend way too much time online.
Go outside
We know you're /misc/ astroturfers, just fuck off. Virtually every zoomer has an LGBT friend.
Those messages were sent by different people anon.
You realise "you" can be plural, right?
Fucking idiot.
>I'm only bisexuality
So 90% of LULZ then. Which doesn't exclude you from internalizing far right bullshit whatsoever.
I came here from /vt/ when I hear the news (
) you spaz. There's a shitload of trans people into vtubers (cute anime bullshit, go figure) and I wanted to see how the trans group over here was reacting to "hey a whole bunch of people associated with you, speaking for you, bullied one of the central OG e-celeb figures within a space into retirement".
>hey it looks really bad when the only people representing your community to the public eye are the most loud, unhinged, and outright, openly, vitriolic because they're a bunch of crybullies
is hardly a right-wing talking point. Your attempts to label it as such in favour of jumping on the proverbial hand grenade is pretty disappointing.
You are barely gonna get any genuine opinion from this place
No meme at all, as a trans person who doesnt care about harry potter nor vtubers, my opinion is that people should stop harassing others for irrelevant bullshit and go the fuck outside and stop being terminally online, and that reactionaries should stop trying to pretend that they suddenly hate trannies because of this, they always hated us and they are now just using this as an excuse to demonize all of us.
I can die on the hill that most trannies in this board think exactly this.
>reactionaries should stop trying to pretend that they suddenly hate trannies because of this
Pretty much, conservatives are programmed to concern troll, likely due to them being religious
It may not push people from support to hatred but if you're already negatively inclined seeing your vtuber bullied off her platform by transexuals it may radicalise you
>they always hated us and they are now just using this as an excuse to demonize all of us.
Nawh. I think you're fucking high on copium if you think enough (for example) twitter transes joking about rape lesbians with their girlcocks don't add up and reasonably color the perception of those who are otherwise entire unexposed to the community - particularly due to trans people who don't want to use it as a beatstick for social clout (or a replacement for community) not really wanting to out themselves or be noisy about it.
If the KKK suddenly tried to speak for me while co-opting my group/cause - I'd hardly call people who suddenly were a bit more sceptical of my message bigots.
>If the KKK suddenly tried to speak for me while co-opting my group/cause - I'd hardly call people who suddenly were a bit more sceptical of my message bigots.
it's more like if someone who happens to be part of the same marginalized group says something racist and you're expected to make a big deal about it and point out to everyone that they don't speak for the community
we shouldn't have to be on constant lookout for trans people being retarded because you should just recognize that sometimes people are retarded and it's not got anything to do with the marginalization they experience
and yes, if someone takes alleged harassment by trans people as evidence that trans people deserve to be oppressed then they were a bigot in the first place
You certainly fucking do when they announce that they represent you. The association has been made, not by the individual, not by you, but by the rhetoricand banner the group uses, but true. You can accept it or deal with it forever. Just the same as I needed to dismiss and distance myself from /misc/, in fact.
>announce that they represent you
really?
they claimed to represent the entire trans community while harassing people?
do you have any proof of that?
>If the KKK suddenly tried to speak for me while co-opting my group/cause - I'd hardly call people who suddenly were a bit more sceptical of my message bigots.
But it isn't just scepticism, normies are outright calling for us to die
>if you think enough (for example) twitter transes joking about rape lesbians with their girlcocks don't add up
What the fuck are you on? My twitter feed is mostly all trans people of all kinds and I have never, EVER read anything close to that and if anyone even close to joked about it ironically they would just be met with weird looks by any other tranny.
I don't know what kind of reality are you trying to fabricate here but if you aren't lying you are probably just extremely gullible and falling for the dumbest falseflags.
no see he saw it in a screenshot on /misc/ twitter transbians were talking about raping cis lesbians, that means it's really common and normal and reflects the trans community as a whole
>implying it never happens
>and when it never happens it doesn't get signal boosted to hell and back because it coincides with your opponents narrative
Come on guys. This is basic. But even then, fine, let's drop that example. What do you want instead? Harassment? Ideological purity crusading? Prosthetic breasts? Taking photos from outside a prolific children's (but failed adult's) novelist? It doesn't need to be often, or even common but it does need to be loud and stirring.
anon we were literally saying that it's simply an obscure opinion that gets boosted by bigots because it conforms to their narrative. not claiming it never happens just pointing out that it's some insane weirdo being weird online
Unironically, legitimately, I have no fucking idea what you are talking about. You are genuinely brainrotted by /misc/tardism.
>Harassment
prove that it happened
>Ideological purity crusading
discussing the topic to make sure that everyone who agrees with us actually understands and can defend the viewpoint is perfectly normal, framing it as a "crusade" is dishonest
>Prosthetic breasts
woodshop hon was publicly called a psyop by literally everyone here. what the fuck do you want us to do about it???
>Taking photos from outside a prolific children's (but failed adult's) novelist
the horrors of taking a picture in front of a celebrity's house
>my opinion is that people should stop harassing others for irrelevant bullshit
i agree
i also don't think anyone was actually harassed over this. i haven't seen any evidence, which you would think would get posted in these threads
like, surely if it happened they have screenshots of the offending comments
>i haven't seen any evidence
People like you get the rope first, willfully ignorant and yet you feel the need to comment.
Never happened you crazy bitch, all you BPDemons ever talk about is how you're being gaslighted. It didn't happen and you made it up.
Dig your head in the sand and pretend it's not happening all you want but the harassment is out there and easily observable. You can support the harassment, or you can denounce the harassment, but to pretend it isn't happening is the least valuable contribution to the discourse imaginable.
>the harassment is out there and easily observable
so just take a screenshot and post it here
ezpz. you do that and i stop replying and admit you're right. i'll even detransition and support conservatives trying to ban hrt if you show me actual harassment
>i'll even detransition and support conservatives trying to ban hrt if you show me actual harassment
It's telling that you think I would even want that xD
>seems easy to fix, just post a screenshot of the harassment
If you ware this unwilling to do the work I'm not going to do it for you.
Do better.
like i thought, nada
no harassment ever happened
Classic denial, very common, many such cases.
seems easy to fix, just post a screenshot of the harassment
there have been plenty of screenshots of people talking about this topic in this thread, yet none of the harassment
seems odd to me
>No meme at all, as a trans person who doesnt care about harry potter nor vtubers, my opinion is that people should stop harassing others for irrelevant bullshit and go the fuck outside and stop being terminally online
P much this. If people want a worthy candidate to get angry at and harass, go hit up MTG or some other prominent politician. Fight against the people threatening your rights and healthcare rather than people playing some d-tier video game produced with IP from an irrelevant TERF. Much more relevant.
Better yet actually, don't bother harassing anyone. Seldom is it constructive. No more ammo please, be tact in your criticism/campaigning and approach to such.
>you should just recognize that sometimes people are retarded and it's not got anything to do with the marginalization they experience
You overestimate the critical thinking and empathy skills of the general population.
>You overestimate the critical thinking and empathy skills of the general population.
anon you're retarded if you think people are gonna not be transphobic just because we denounce the alleged harassment
we all denounced woodshop hon and plenty of transphobes will claim that's what radicalized them
>anon you're retarded if you think people are gonna not be transphobic just because we denounce the alleged harassment
Anon you're retarded for projecting and thinking as shallow as you do. Let me explain.
The (normie) public are ambivalent regarding our existence. Our condition and existence is seen as taboo/weird, in addition to being something not easily understood. As per medical legitimization and recognition, we've been tolerated, to varying degrees.
Because of this, optics is incredibly important. The public don't know what to think, they're too overburdened with the complexities of their own lives. So they let someone else tell them: their favorite media personalities, or the news. As we all know, there's an agenda on the hook to throw trans people under the bus; To distract from the next looming financial crisis and mismanagement of the economy, alongside create a common denominator to hate in order to unite people under a common cause, enfranchizing them with the further political views of the party (we all know which one).
It's the culmination of multiple events that the media are weaponizing causing people to grind down a slippery slope into disdain for our existence.
Those that hate us will continue to hate us. Those that were on the fence and didn't particularly care or know what to think can go either of two ways, depending on their critical thinking skills.
I'm not suggesting that openly denouncing all this shit will be effective in anyway. I never claimed such in the first place regardless, all I said was that people are too rarted to realize it's a radical minority peddling this (the wizard game bs and JK obsession). People are too rarted to realize that all the fearmongering over bathrooms and changing rooms is bullshit too. You don't need to look far to realize why positive representation in the media is crucial, which in itself is something that implicitly denounces the behaviors/actions of the extreme minorities in the first place.
attitudes have eroded because of constant media hate. what we say doesn't fucking matter
every one of us called woodshop hon a psyop and it was still reported to cis people as a real trans woman
Okay yea on second thought I agree with you both there.
>every one of us called woodshop hon a psyop and it was still reported to cis people as a real trans woman
Ironically I was the 'copeposter' that /misc/ kept jerking about when the first Mr. Hannah thread popped up, because I claimed it was a psyop. Is it definitely 100% confirmed a psyop yet? I know they went out without the boobs and shit once.
>Is it definitely 100% confirmed a psyop yet?
a couple of students from the school (or at least people claiming to be such) said that the teacher used to be very vocally transphobic and conservative, and iirc this was confirmed by some investigative journalist
not that it matters, conservatives simply ignore things that don't fit their narrative
optics doesn't matter, phobes believe what they want to believe and the establishment will keep pumping out their transphobic propaganda no matter how we act
just recently an entire article was put out about an 'incident' which turned out to be completely made up, optics is a waste of time
>I came here from /vt/ when I hear the news
Cool, you can go back to simping for digital egirls now. As if everyone here is personally responsible for random trans people being mean about arry po'a
>hey a whole bunch of people associated with you, speaking for you
Everything negative will be associated with us. That's just what being a maligned minority is. Cishets will never be expected to "explain themselves" or police other cishets when people like Epstein or Breivik do shitty things
>is hardly a right-wing talking point
No, but ascribing collective responsibility to trans people or ignoring the reasons why Hogwarts Legacy upsets people while placing utmost importance on upset vtubers is. Most trans people get far, far worse harassment in their life than people saying mean things on a stream. - and that's allegedly, we've seen no screen caps in this case, so it's completely up to your imagination. But a lot of people seem to think I should be murdered because someone else with the same hormone treatment was mean to a vtuber.
>Cishets will never be expected to "explain themselves" or police other cishets when people like Epstein or Breivik do shitty things
Apart from when they share a faith, sex, race, hobby, career, online community, or fucking fashion sense. You are constantly associated with and grouped by others. Usually for fucking nonsensical reasons. It's a fact of life. Even more so when your group is small and looking to achieve a tangible goal that requires people to maybe not think you're 'like that'. It's an association game and it fucking sucks. The proverbial 'cishet' idea you've constructed doesn't need to overtly worry about such things because he doesn't fucking want or need anything from people liking him as a group. Sure, trans people as individuals are analogous to the concept of being cishet - but the trans community has much more in common with any other rights group. And when Just Stop Oil gets paid by oil companies to block off a road or puts paint on the protective glass of a painting, it reflect on eco-activism in mainstream consciousness. It's not a question of apology or kowtowing, it's literally a question of mockery and distancing. As you say, there are those who already hate and simply find a reason, but I think it's self-defensively reductive to pretend that every person who currently doesn't see the movement in the best light is that.
>Apart from when they share a sex
do you seriously go around asking women to denounce margret thatcher?
No, but if Margaret Thatcher came up in a conversation and someone tried to excuse or defend her just because she's a woman, that'd be a red flag that I'm talking to a crazy person
yeah well no one is excusing or defending the harassment just cause it's done by trans people
From the Common Trans W thread right now
yes exactly. they're not condoning it or defending it, just pointing out that it doesn't matter and conservatives will hate us no matter what
theyre literally just saying its not the responsibility of random unrelated tranners
/pol/fags and weebs meanwhile encourage trans suicide constantly and even jerk off to brianna ghey dying while whining about groomers
>You are constantly associated with and grouped by others. Usually for fucking nonsensical reasons
Which is why there's no reason to apologize
>It's an association game and it fucking sucks.
Which is why I'm not playing it
>The proverbial 'cishet' idea you've constructed doesn't need to overtly worry about such things because he doesn't fucking want or need anything from people liking him as a group.
Yes, because they're not persecuted for being cishet. Hence, this is /misc/yps trying to vicariously seize victimhood out of someone else being harassed and using it for much larger scale hatred and harassment than the original incident
There's nothing I can do to convince you you're incorrect because your opinion is a self defence mechanism. But allow me to assure you: I'm not nearly gay enough to be from /misc/, I'm only bisexual. I genuinely couldn't give a single fuck about whatever board war highschool bullshit you do instead of hobbies.
I'm almost 30 and I haven't met a single trans person in my life, and this is living in Los Angeles of all places
and people say trannies never pass
>I'm almost 30
So not a zoomer at all then.
And LGBT isn't just trans retard, no matter what impression this board gives.
This is the only gate keeping trannies can do. They will have screeching retards and terminaly online people beimg assjoles online, but if you ever try to distance yourself from it you are a /misc/, a picke me or a bootlicker. Its a crab bucket.
>I mean, how can such a middling game cause so much rage and controversy
Rage and controversy is the easiest reaction to produce on twitter you moron.
my cister a huge HP fan and a very discrete terf really just doubled down on her hate for trannies because of this, don't underestimate rowlings biggest fans, normie cishet women in their early 30s there's a shitton of them
they're all already terfs
many weren't really trans allies but, the reaction (it was before the game) has created some resentment in non-progressive normie ciswomen, you can't make enemies out of the biggest demographics, turning people who do not care into transphobes
most people are already phobes and there's no converting them
Probably best to make cis foids pick a side now while the GOP are gunning for abortion, if you want to get strategic about it.
i often wonder if she (my sis) votes, i have never ever ever heard her talk politics, but as a bit of a promiscuous wine drinking single girl she considers abortion a human right so, maybe she did vote last time, anyway this kind of women will happily return to the gop when they chill on ciswomen's rights like we saw in virginia, i am actually really surprised they haven't really figured this out, maybe some fundamentalists are just really dense
Isn't Virginia one of the complete retard states?
not american? no, not lately at least virginia, being on the border, is the least conservative of the old south states, it was seen as a newly mint solid democrat state like half a decade ago, then it voted a republican who promised to save scared cis susburban women from rapists in skirts entering their bathrooms
No, I realized I'm probably thinking of West Virginia, which after looking it up is one of the ten dumbest states in the country.
west virginia is the poorest state in the US it's located in the mountains, it has only one resource, coal which is out of fashion, they voted for big government democrats when they weren't into racial progressivism, then clinton and obama happened and they became fully republican, not even the democrats liked obama, he lost the primary when he was seeking reelection, people voted for deez nuts instead
it will probably cause a good amount of liberal "allies" to splinter off and hasten the demise of lgbt as a trend. it's probably for the best though, if it stops becoming popular to be lgbt then we'll begin to lose our value as a political boogeyman and will probably be left alone.
Actual schizo
You just have to weed out the freaks. Good luck actually doing that though, those hons can be aggressive.
lgbt isn't a community so how can it collapse? it's more like an identity
>For the first time in a while, I've seen people disagree internally and openly in the LGBT "+" community
kek
I don't consider anything from /lgbt/ to be "openly".
>misogynistic slurs in your anti-JKR campaign material
good look for the troons
>another thread about a reddit video game for a children's franchise about muh heckin magic
go back
It just shows how fucking insane wokescolds have gitten, they're so intoxicated by the power to cancel people that they will right anyone and everyone
>You need to apologize for things other people have done
No
/pol/tards literally using white guilt soi logic lmfao
estrogen enriched individuals get the rope
imagine seething so hard you put together a compilation of literal whos on twitter
Seriously, who cares?
Bottom center is literally correct though
I think LGBT people who bought this game are being dumb for 2 reasons:
(1) Liking Harry Potter
(2) Buying JK Rowling properties.
In that order! Make no mistake, this is the fault of all those Tumblrkin tenderqueers who insisted every piece of media they liked as a 13 year old was inherently queer. Mfs need to grow the fuck up.
HOWEVER, putting significant energy into opposing the game is something we should also be weary of. We face much bigger problems right now, and the JK Rowling industrial complex distracts from more direct trans politics by keeping us glued to our phones debating media consoomption rather than organizing IRL to fight for liberation.
> or is the LGBT "community" going to collapse on itself ?
Nah this’ll blow over. But if it doesn’t it will be because of 3rd party interference.
>HOWEVER, putting significant energy into opposing the game is something we should also be weary of. We face much bigger problems right now, and the JK Rowling industrial complex distracts from more direct trans politics by keeping us glued to our phones debating media consoomption rather than organizing IRL to fight for liberation.
yeah this is the right take.
I've lost interest in talking to other trans people in the last year or so but I still refuse to believe that actual trans people are upset about this
twitter isnt the whole world nobody fucking cares about this game
>How do you feel about this ? Is this a once in a lifetime occurrence, or is the LGBT "community" going to collapse on itself ?
i havent seen anybody talk about harry potter since the game launched i think maybe go outside, maybe
No one cares except the racist misogynist transphobes who own the news media and shove their dick flavored shit down people’s throats because they’re too stupid to activate their own brain cells and think critically.
Lotta sheep out there. Either be one or ignore them all. No sense in trying to be a shepherd.
>How do you feel about this ?
The drama is not nearly as interesting as the drama about the drama.
this is often how things go, it's why gossip forums are so popular and addictive
THE PS3 CLEARS
>ywn be kirino
why even live?
just bee yourself
The trannies, without exception, gave us our rights.
But they've gone too far now, they've made LGBT 'fashionable', included it in the oppression olympics and have sent up the bat signal to every insane person desperate for attention across the world.
They were our soldiers, but now they've basically declared martial law, beating down the LGB who want to send the peacemakers in to make deals, instead deliberately 'triggering' the opposition and (ironically) causing more division within the community (everyone needs a flag, everyone needs a symbol, everyone needs a voice, DON'T PUT US IN BOXES! YEAH!!! LeTs MaKe MoAr BoxEs AnD pUt EACHOTHER iN tHeM!!1!! YEAH!!!)
They created us and now they're killing us. But we can't say that out loud because they're the outspoken majority.
lmao I'm trans and enjoyed playing Hogwarts Legacy.
Why would I let some old bag ruin my enjoyment of a franchise that I've loved since reading the books when I was a teen?
I do not stand with the trans "community",
the funniest part is some normie cissies disliked that there are trannies in the game, forced progressivism and what not
I too disliked that Sirona Ryan was in the game, it felt forced.
The line "mistook me for a wizard when I'm a which" felt so unnecessary.
trannyism in rowlingworld could be tackled really easily with potions and what not, but instead youd decide to create hons because of irl sensibilities, it's like the nonsensical choice of creating poor wizards when this is a labor free post scarcity society
she wasn't a hon you're just brainwormed. the voice was the only issue
>you're just brainwormed
yep, you are
I haven't played the game but based off that image if I saw them in game my first thought would have been "damn why has western art deteriorated to the point of valuing and producing pure ugliness" not "TROON! THAT'S A TROON!"
exactly. it's a mid game, but she's literally just an older woman. exactly what you would expect in a rural scottish town
she literally looks like snape in drag, pelase stop hugboxxing aaaaagh
faceblindness is a common symptom of autism
Nigga she ugly af I ain't hugboxing shit. You are just infected with the brainworms.
Imagine if Rowling used her pile of cash to help the trannoids transition instead.
I for one am looking forward to insane /vt/fags going after tranny incel rapists, both online an irl. Your hubris fucked you, and you'll never be women lmao.
the conservative mind is insane to me
you look at a picture of a tranny who is ugly and you decide that we're evil monstrous rapists based simply on that
>you look at a picture of a tranny who is ugly and you decide that we're evil monstrous rapists based simply on that
It's more like :
>have unprocessed trauma of some kind
>refuse to talk about the trauma or cope with it
>find minority to blame for trauma
>avoid facing your fears by telling yourself you are stronger than the evil minority
>while enslaving yourself to an irrational phobia that will never heal the underlying trauma
At least that's the model that describes 90% of conservatives I know IRL. There are a few who are hateful just for hate's sake. As far as I know they led semi-charmed lives and were radicalized by propaganda, but chances are there's some trauma in there they don't want to admit to too.
>For the first time in a while, I've seen people disagree internally and openly in the LGBT "+" community
how does it feel to use social media for rhe first time in 2023