>"For becoming a Knight you have to be a noble". >"All Knights were nobles"

>"For becoming a Knight you have to be a noble"
>"All Knights were nobles"
Why are schools learning these stupid lies? It's one of the worst historic lies.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    A knight is literally one kind of noble. You don't become a knight by putting on plate mail and getting on a horse.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Are you confusing a knight specifically with a man at arms in general? A knight was by definition a member of a specific class of the feudal system who was a hereditary aristocrat.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Are you confusing a knight specifically with a man at arms in general?
      There is a general confusion about this, What I mean is that those guys in armors not part of the nobility but fighting in the battlefields were not nobles. The word "knight" is used to talk about the medieval warriors.

      In school they tell you that only aristocrats were fighting on the battlefields and that it was some kind of spartan system where only nobles are allowed to fight.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The french army was like at least 50% knights. People use knight as a byword for medieval european cavalry because most of them were knights.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          But were those 50% all nobles? Im french and they learned me in school that to become a knight you have to be a noble on the first place. They also implied that only aristocrats foughts in the wars.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >A knight was by definition a member of a specific class of the feudal system who was a hereditary aristocrat.
            There were plenty of Knights who were serfs legally. Ministerials were a thing.

            All knights were nobles. A knight who was enfeoffed to another knight was still a noble. That's like saying barons weren't nobles if they had feudal obligations to a count or duke.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >All knights were nobles
            No? That's literally not true. Unless you only counted Northern France and England. A great deal of German Knights, and even lesser magnates were Ministerials and they were serfs. Many Italian Knights were not part of Noble families. Neither did many of them owe 'feudal obligations'. The ones in Italy owed their service on account of their citizenship and allegiance to their city. Many German ones owed absolutely nothing to their supposed overlord like in Saxony and around Hesse. Only the Dukes of Bavaria and Austria had anything close to that relationship with those on their land.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            yeah but at the beginning, it was more opened

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >The french army was like at least 50% knights.
          Middle age or later?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >There is a general confusion about this, What I mean is that those guys in armors not part of the nobility but fighting in the battlefields were not nobles.
        Sure.

        >In school they tell you that only aristocrats were fighting on the battlefields and that it was some kind of spartan system where only nobles are allowed to fight.
        My schooling as an American covered literally none of the middle ages unless you consider 1492 the middle ages in which case it covered that Spain existed and Colombus was Italian and nothing more about medieval Europe. If you mean popular culture than I would still disagree as the norm seems to be along the lines of knights and peasant levies, which while incorrect is still a far cry from a sort of spartan system of only noble knights fighting.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      literally anyone could be knighted

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Sure, but you weren't a knight until you were knighted. A guy on horseback with armour and a lance isn't a knight. If he later gets knighted he still wasn't a knight in previous battles before his knighting.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >A knight was by definition a member of a specific class of the feudal system who was a hereditary aristocrat.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >A knight was by definition a member of a specific class of the feudal system who was a hereditary aristocrat.
      There were plenty of Knights who were serfs legally. Ministerials were a thing.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This isn't Mount and Blade. You don't just do errands for a king and suddenly become a Knight.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You could though, especially earlier you go back in time. All you had to do was distinguish yourself as a good man at arms and a decent land manager. If you could reliably raise a good banneret and show up when asked then wham bam thank you ma’am you’re a knight. Calcification of the nobility came on very gradually but didn’t really set in until the 17thc

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You could though, especially earlier you go back in time. All you had to do was distinguish yourself as a good man at arms and a decent land manager. If you could reliably raise a good banneret and show up when asked then wham bam thank you ma’am you’re a knight. Calcification of the nobility came on very gradually but didn’t really set in until the 17thc

      Correct. There are many people from history that were basically Mount and Blade characters.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Well I think Knights are suffering the same huge confusions affecting samurais.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are schools learning these stupid lies? It's one of the worst historic lies.
    Because the average American child too dumb for nuance, and that finding exceptions to broad generalizations doesn't discount the overall pattern. Simply put, your teachers either didn't give a shit or looked at you and your classmates, thought you were a hopeless lot who can't even be bothered to read 1-2 pages a day and turn in homework, and promptly wished he got assigned the AP kids who, in theory at least, gave a shit and tried.

    So they watered it down so your peanut brain can retain something long enough for a multiple choice exam which you still failed, and thus dragging down your grade, your chance at graduating, and costing the school funding because your school's a dropout factory.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Let me end all the confusion right now. Before the 11th century, knights were not nobles. They could be any Joe or Shmo hired to fight battles for a king or lord. Most of them did not own land, and at least some were unfree peasants (serfs). You may have heard of the German ministerialis, who were unfree knights. That was the case all over Europe before the 11th century.
    Beginning in the 12th century, knighthood became hereditary, they were given lands as reward and were recognized as nobles. Later it came to be seen that a man could not be a good knight unless his father was also a knight. They also developed a standard knightly way of fighting: all charging on horseback together in formation, lances held under the arm. Before then they fought in different ways, often as skirmishers, not in formation, some holding the lance over the head, some throwing javelins. The Bayeux tapestry is a good illustration.
    The 11th century was a transitional period.

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