How do people treat you if you're basically a hrt manmoder with more feminine style and obvious physical changes but generally still masculine demeanor? I think most people would assume you're just gay and would treat you according to whatever their opinions about that are.
Context is that I've been on hrt for over two years, have fat redistribution and breasts, long hair, the works, but I'm still manmoding and only girlmoding from time to time. Escaping masculinity felt good, but certain aspects of the binary female gender don't feel entirely right either. I feel simply adopting a gender neutral name and feminizing my manmode somewhat would actually get me where I need to be.
Ideally I'd still be a masculine cis woman, but this feels like the best second option.
fagmoding is a good idea, I'll probably end up doing that sort of thing within the next year (1y hrt currently)
They treat you worse than hons tbh
Why the fuck would they treat you worse they hons? On a cishet normie weirdness spectrum, a hon is 10 times weirder simply because she deviates from what a normie considers a male should be a lot more.
In any case, I will find out myself because the current existence of alternating between a stone manmode and a clocky girlmode isn't working for me.
Because transitioning from man to woman is something the normie can wrap his head around. Not passing isn't unforgivable. Enbies, however, are entirely alien to them. Enbies are trying to be something that rejects binary gender expression and it scares normies.
They just see you as a (gay) man. The actual space for being seriously, confusingly andro is very small, and most of us can't get anywhere close to it.
Ask me how I know you're a repper.
nah I'd much rather look like an uncanny androgynous gender creature than a hon
hons get false sympathy and encouragement which is way worse
most people are cool about it and acknowledge me as a man one way or another, whether they think I'm enby or a flamer or an ftm who fucking knows
I do get the occasional stink-eye or insult shouted from across the street but it's really kind of my comfort level I guess, I wear women's jeans sometimes and my hair and style are at least androgynous but I otherwise have a very masculine demeanor and fashion with mostly men's clothing and boots and all that and still consider and present myself as a man after three years on hormones
Chicago mtf here
No one reacts
I find it kind of hilarious to be honest
I wear skinny jeans and fitted t shirts with an aeropostle bra and I don't even think it registers, my boobs aren't small either.
just because no one reacts doesnt mean theyre not judging. i live in chicago too and i see the hons putting in no effort flaunting their b cups at the dispensary and its frankly disgusting. i try to leave the house as little as possible and always make sure to tape my tits down or wear a bra and i check pretty much every reflective surface i see to make sure im not showing. i know im not alone either ive seen more than a few boymoders in jeans and hoodies this summer
There's being a hon, and there's not being ashamed of your body. I manmode and wear sports bras with loose shirts, but the boobs are still visible, and at this point I don't care any more. I'm too stubborn to ever buy a proper binder.
We *are* talking about enbymode here. Not borderline repressor manmode where you're terrified of normies figuring out you're a little weird.
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enbymoding does not include tits, if ppl can see your tits they know youre on hrt which makes you a tranny in their eyes. enbymoding would be like wearing makeup and having long hair
>enbies can't have tits
retard
>enbymoding does not include tits
that sounds even more enby actually
and yeah everyone's going to know you're on hrt regardless after a year or two, no matter how you dress.
Enbymode just means dressing appropriately for your appearance, rather than manmoding when you're obviously estrogenized or honmoding when you obviously don't pass.
>and yeah everyone's going to know you're on hrt regardless after a year or two, no matter how you dress.
objectively not true. manmoders go years on hrt without anyone noticing you sound like a boymoder/twinkhon
cope. unless youre fat everyone knows
no one believes male enbies are a thing be real
>objectively not true. manmoders go years on hrt without anyone noticing you sound like a boymoder/twinkhon
well I'm too old to be a boymoder and I dress very male
at 1 year on hrt I'm definitely uncanny enough to look not like a normal man. Strangers were commenting on my appearance 6 months ago
congrats ygmi, this thread isnt for you. its for MANMODERS. ive been on hrt for 3 years and neither strangers nor family/friends have noticed anything.
I made the thrwad for people who enbymode or are interested in it. I'm not sure what to tell you - I'm p much out to everyone in some way. Even all my neighbours have seen me in girlmode. I no longer worry who "judges" me inside their head, and my life is a lot better for it. Also, I'm proud of my tits. Getting to actually good hrt was hard.
ok my apologies then i must have misread op
Sorry for being kinda harsh. I just think the choice doesn't have to be between manmoder or a hon. There is a secret, third option, but it does require a bit of work and courage. However, it's open to everyone
idk i think a third option is accessible to you, you were probably a twinkhon to begin with, but im really really hoping that what youre saying is true
Normies have no idea what hrt is and what it does lol. If they see a "man with boobs" they just assume it's an unfortunate health condition.
Sorry you really sound like a repressor.
I look clocky but still kinda decent in full on girlmode, but I'm realizing I don't wanna actually present like that most of the time. Also I feel like the stigma from being a weird "gay" man is still far less than being an unpassing tranner.
I had tits (gyno) despite being skinny before trooning and nobody ever accused me of being trans. It's the other things in combination with boobs that make people think you're a troon.
I had tits (gyno) despite being skinny before trooning and nobody ever accused me of being trans. It's the other things in combination with boobs that make people think you're a troon.
Oh please anon
Learn to live a little
I see trans girls and boymoders all the time on the L especially at Lake and state.
When I'm not coming from work I put in effort but I'm still only a year along do I look like I'm NB moding anyways.
is enbymode better than manmode?
the way I manmode is basically he/him enbymode and it's comfy
>the way I manmode is basically he/him enbymode and it's comfy
Maybe I'll give it a try, I'm just so tired of repressing
Wish I could be comfortable doing this but cant help but talk like a woman/tranny
>be me, 3 years hrt enby
>catching a regional train
>girl comes up to me while waiting asking if this is the right place to wait for catching the regional train
>"yeah it'll get here in like half an hour"
>we start chatting and passing time
>10 minutes pass
>"hey anon... are you...."
>she starts flicking her wrist
>"you know?" *flick* "you know?"
>laugh awkwardly and tell her im bi
>she smiles and then goes on a rant about her bi phase
>"my bf wants a threeway because of it but I wouldn't let any other girl have him"
I dont know how to end this story but yeah lol hrt enbymode is fine usually but people will still be able to tell youre a homosexual of some kind
Haha thanks for the story anon. What is flicking one's wrist even supposed to mean tho? I guess I can kinda tell from the context here, but the gesture is completely foreign to me (I'm from Europe).
And yeah the degree of femininity I need to be comfortable definitely tells people something's up.
I have very visible breasts as a manmoder and they go largely ignored, but I do sometimes have women very obviously look at them.
gay people are sometimes called limp wristed, its a reference to that
Oh yeah okay. That feels gigacringe tbh. The mind of a cisoid is a terrifying place.
im also 2 years hrt, and despite knowing I could pass I still like presenting masc and wearing a binder. people just assume im gay, but if it’s someone closer to my age that i’ve just met they always ask for my pronouns which makes me laugh, because it’s their way of letting me know they dont fully see me as cis.
i had someone tell me they thought i was ftm which ideal for me tbh.
I'm post orchi and consider myself a eunuchmoder at this point. Nobody in the modern west actually knows what a eunuch even is. If someone directly asks I just say "woman" and shrug.
Following this thread, my EEn arrives in a couple weeks and I want to kind of be stealth about it. Might start taking raloxifene for preventing breast growth but it's expensive.
i got treated worse than when i was out as trans. when liberals see a gnc male, they judge them lowkey for being so. if you tell them youre trans though, suddenly you have a reason to be expressing yourself that way
Why do you think you got treated worse? Did you have a very feminine basically trans girl tier style?
no, i just wore makeup and painted my nails and didnt hide my boobs. liberals have a strong dislike for gender nonconformity
>liberals have a strong dislike for gender nonconformity
as opposed to conservatives? lmao you have to grow up someday if you're ever going to cope with being a tranny
conservatives dislike it too, but at least theyre honest about it. suck liberals dicks a bit harder, maybe they'll give you hormones in prison while doing nothing about you getting v-coded.
kys bootlicker
im not bootlicking for anyone, you're bootlicking for liberals who treat us like shit. conservatives and liberals hate us both on a personal level, conservatives are just honest about it.
in my experience as an mtf who's accepted parts of her masculine physicality: I think people can generally tell I'm a homosexual/dyke/queer or whatever, but literally nobody's ever given me shit for it, and I'm gendered correctly in public a majority of the time. people are unbelievably kind to me in comparison to before I started hrt, and men and women both seem comfortable flirting w me when neither were before. I think people see me as a messy butch but it's hard to say, I just try to coordinate my outfits when I go out and everything else falls into place.
I also live in an extremely blue state, so like, ymmv
Eventually, I can see myself going down that path. People tell me I'm not terribly far from being passable but still only malefail between 5 and 40 percent of the time
I get that, it's called a transition for a reason. it's taken me years to get to where I'm at now, and sometimes it still feels like I'm at the starting line. but if you're passing even just a little bit right now, you have the potential to pass consistently in due time. i think you'll get there anon
i recently had copper highlights put in my hair and it's made a world of difference for me, scheduling a balayage appointment with an experienced stylist might be worth looking into if you haven't yet
>How do people treat you if you're basically a hrt manmoder with more feminine style and obvious physical changes but generally still masculine demeanor?
They treat you like either underaged boy, some sort of incel or eunuch. Just manmoding is pathetic experience, i personally enbymode by wearing wery weird feminine clothes without attempting to pass so most of the time ppl are very confused about my gender, some think I am girl, some I am flamer and some even refer to me as they, even when I leave in conservative country without gender neutrual pronouns
~any pronouns~ HRT enbymoder here. My name is unambiguously feminine but I look/act/am so obviously AMAB people think they misheard me and I meant to say the masculine version of the same name. Lol. I have to repeat myself a lot. Otherwise it's pretty fun, I'm pretty flat in the chest and 6' tall but I still look suspiciously soft and fem for a guy. I normally get, as far as I can tell, gay male treatment, but other trannies just assume I'm a she/her hon bc they can see the signs of estrogen at this point. That's fine w me. I did get harassed on the street once in a conservative area (I was wearing women's shorts and a very modest shirt, still probably a mistake to fag it up that much in a redneck town). Otherwise it's really good, my family is at least sorta understanding, I got ffs so I at least see some androgyny in the mirror, life is slowly getting better, I have a gorgeous tgirl gf.. I dunno it's all a bit strange, but it's a living. I do get occasional stares even in my very conservative work clothes (men's dress shirt and pants) but that's fine, I'm the most interesting thing a normie is going to see all week, why not let them gawk. They're not even worth looking at, but they can't take their eyes off me. Kids especially, they don't have the same social instincts adults do and openly ask me questions and stare slackjawed.
OP here, I'm really hapoy with how this thread has turned out. I think usually this kind of a topic gets overlooked here because the board is so focused on the extremes.