Ever considered why every succesful graphic and design focused comercial Unix or Unix-like system (MacOS/iOS, Sony Orbis OS, Android) skipped X11 and ...

Ever considered why every succesful graphic and design focused comercial Unix or Unix-like system (MacOS/iOS, Sony Orbis OS, Android) skipped X11 and just rolled their own stuff? Don't you think its about time Linux moved away from it? Why are some of you so anal about the move to Wayland?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I will switch to wayland when it's ready.
    Currently it's not ready. It doesn't have the features i expect from a modern display manager and it is unstable.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And this moment, wayland isn't complete yet. And also, software support is lacking badly behind. So as you can see, it is quite unfeasible to switch right now, maybe in a few years.

      (GNOME doesn't count and never will)

      BECAUSE IT'S NOT WORKING nagger
      IT'S THAT SIMPLE

      X11 IS WORKING
      FUCKING WAYLAND IS NOT

      Wayland is not unstable. Stop funding Jensen's leather jackets.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        On AMD (5600xt) I still get flickering screens, mouse lag and random lock ups at high load. I do not get any of this under x11. Who will you blame now? Also why should anyone rebuild their system for a fucking display server of all things lol.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And this moment, wayland isn't complete yet. And also, software support is lacking badly behind. So as you can see, it is quite unfeasible to switch right now, maybe in a few years.

    (GNOME doesn't count and never will)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      KDE is quite stable and feature complete on Wayland. Just two years ago Wayland support was a piece of shit but now it's perfectly usable.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ever noticed how none of the design focused commercial Unix or Unix-like systems uses GNOME?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Red Hat is non commercial?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Solaris?
      HP-UX?
      PureOS?
      Endless?
      RHEL?
      SLES?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Solaris?
        Slowlaris hardly exists anymore. Was never a proper desktop. Drank too much of the java desktop coolaid.

        >HP-UX?
        Shovelware to gobble up government contracts.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hey! Solaris was pretty good.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            For database and certain applications only. Very mediocre desktop.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Lots of great innovative stuff though. ZFS, SMF, dtrace...

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hate input lag, I will move if this shit at least has basic feature such as a feature to turn off compositor

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    BECAUSE IT'S NOT WORKING nagger
    IT'S THAT SIMPLE

    X11 IS WORKING
    FUCKING WAYLAND IS NOT

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      X11 isn't working either.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    EVERY FUCKING DAY THIS THREAD
    WHYYYY ANON DON'T YOU USE BETA SOFTWARE SHIT
    WHYYYYY

    HAVE YOU EVEN TRIED THIS SHIT BEFORE ASKING?
    I HAVE APPLE AIR 13' ON M2, WANT TO USE ASAHI ON IT
    BUT YOU KNOW WHAT FUCKING nagger?
    I CAN'T BECAUSE ONLY DISTROS AVAILABLE ARE USING THIS FUCKING PEACE OF NONSENSE

    I CAN'T USE 100% SCALING, I CAN'T USE 200% SCALING
    I WANT FUCKING 150% BUT I CAN'T
    SAME ON ANY UNUSUAL MONITOR

    THIS PEACE OF SOFTWARE GARBAGE SHOULDN'T FUCKING BE IN PRODUCTION DEVELOPERS ARE DELUSIONAL AS FUCK

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thats utterly nonsensical. You are complaining about the state of software on a distro that can't even use the integrated laptop speakers.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So you can scale 150% on any other laptop with wayland?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes.

          On AMD (5600xt) I still get flickering screens, mouse lag and random lock ups at high load. I do not get any of this under x11. Who will you blame now? Also why should anyone rebuild their system for a fucking display server of all things lol.

          No such issues here.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > I CAN'T BECAUSE ONLY DISTROS AVAILABLE ARE USING THIS FUCKING PEACE OF NONSENSE
      Bruh its just Arch. Whats keeping you from installing minimal version and setting up Xorg?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nuh, I'm using fedora. But on x86_64 one can use spins with X11.
        I have a set of ansible rules for all of my machines, I like to reinstall system whenever I want and have everything I need in minutes.
        Not willing to spend days of tinkering same for arch really.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    works on my machine

    And honestly the desktop feels much nicer, snappier and polished

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Your argument from popularity actually works against you - or it would if you weren't such an utter moron that you can't see that. Every popular graphics stack works differently from Wayland. Wayland devs just decided that Wayland will be a special snowflake and do stuff like potentially halt programs forever in the swap buffers operation instead of just using a visible/invisible event. Or the retarded insistence on using logical coordinates instead of physical pixels, but then refusing to add fractional scaling for years because of dumb excuses like "there are no fractional pixels". Now that it's been added as an extension, it has obsoleted some core protocol stuff, making Wayland instant legacy software - obsolete before it even became widely used. And that's not to mention the useless security theater that prevents programs from knowing basic stuff such as their coordinates on the screen, which is not an issue on other graphics stacks such as Windows'.
    TL;DR: Wayland is retarded and you are retarded for promoting it. Get it through your head that newer doesn't always equal better designed.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You need to calm down.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >no argument
        As usual for a waytard.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. It's not that X isn't old and full of issues, it's that Wayland is retarded shitware made by autistic (but not the smart kind) homosexuals.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    X11 just werks for me

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I thank the Goddess every day that I use Windows and don't have to deal with you freetard homosexuals little sissy fights.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >open /fwt/
      >constant W10 LTSC vs W11 flamewar

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ever considered why every succesful graphic and design focused comercial Unix or Unix-like system (MacOS/iOS, Sony Orbis OS, Android) skipped X11 and just rolled their own stuff?

    Yes but "their own stuff" is actually complete and a suitable replacement for X11, unlike Waymeme.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. No AwesomeWM for Wayland
    2. Doesn't work with NVIDIA GPUs
    case closed, wayland naggers btfo

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Wayland doesn't work with Nvidia's proprietary driver
      Gee I fucking wonder why

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because Wayland devs made retarded design choices and Nvidia refuses to pay for dev time to paper over the cracks in Wayland using hacks (just like you need to do to get copy and paste/drag and drop working and screen sharing on Wayland).

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How awful. Poor trillion dollar corporation.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not my problem - Wayland's problem.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just upgraded from wayland to X11. Holy shit everything works and looks better. Yeah I'm holding off wayland for a few years at least.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I recently found out I was using Wayland this whole time since GNOME defaults to it. 😀

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    holy uninformed????

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    WAH WAH WAH wayland doesn't work on my 15 year old computer without opengl3.0 support it's shit SHIT

    t. 80% of LULZ

    I hate poors and neets so fucking much is unreal

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