Redpill me on ancient egyptian religion. Why it seems to be such a mess when compared to greek, nord and asian religions that have coherent structure, easy to understand figures and chronology?
Egyptian religion.
Redpill me on ancient egyptian religion. Why it seems to be such a mess when compared to greek, nord and asian religions that have coherent structure, easy to understand figures and chronology?
Khemet was one post-cataclysmic civilizations, and they had records going back thousands of years. Some of the pyramids themselves were built before the "Egyptian" culture we think of arose.
Thus their religion is actually a nexus of traditions and histories. They were influenced by Hinduism, Mycenaean pantheons, Nubian traditions, African tribal religions, Atlantean spirituality (theorized), and a unique kind of shamanism (imho) based on the Nile delta.
Throw in the possibility that they interacted with beings from other planets and you might begin to see why things were so complex.
It's better documented than anything you mention. And far more advanced. It only seems a mess to outsiders who don't read the glyphs.
Do you read the glyphs?
Yes. I do. James Allen's 'Middle Egyptian' is your starting point to learn grammar.
>Yes. I do.
Explain their religion then. What it's all about?
The Neters - the being you see on the wall that people call gods - are not gods. The abstract forces of nature who are enthropomorphized. If you see a neter with an animal head, you have to study the entire biome of the animal in question to understand which aspect of that animal corresponds to the abstraction which the neter represents.
For example: Horus, the peregrine falcon, is the symbol of kingship. In nature the peregrine falcon has the keenest eyesight of all creatures and flies altitudinally higher than any bird in their biome. The role of the king is to see all in his domain, and see more keenly than all within his domain. That's a simplification, but you can understand the jist from that example.
They are abstract ... anthropomorphized...
sorry about the typos.
Ok. In what regards do you consider it to be more advanced that the religions i mentioned? And why it has so many contradictions? For example, in one place i read that Ra created himself and everyone, in other places i read that it was Ptah who also created 4 pairs of 8 main gods, in other places i read that it was Atum who created the 8 gods and that in the end he will destroy everything that he created and will turn into snake, etc.
More advanced in that the language itself has all the properties of our language (sound representation) but there is a second layer of meaning in the functional role of each symbol as an abstraction. If you see a tool glyph used, for example, its not only the sound it represents, but also the functional abstraction of what the toold does that plays a part in the word. It uses both left and right brain to create layers of meaning, whereas english is predominantly single brain sided.
Different religious centers in Egypt had different creation myths to illustrate a particular aspect of continuous creation. Egyptians had no problem saying the same things in different ways - they were not dogmatic as we are. These different myths describe aspects of science and nature with the focus on different moments in time, details of the science, and so forth.
>he Neters - the being you see on the wall that people call gods - are not gods.
>The abstract forces of nature who are enthropomorphized.
They are abstract forces of nature and conscious beings with free will as well. They can speak directly to you, if you wish it, and there will be no doubt at all what they are.
What is the meaning of myth about war between Set and Horus (and Osiris before Horus was born from his corpse)?
Also i noticed it includes soma kabbalistic shit, like Set walking to Osiris with 72 followers before giving him the lead sarcophagus.
72 is 360 (the length of the year) divided by 5.
The Egyptian year is 360 days plus 5 bonus days.
The Pyramid Texts are the oldest version. And something that Egyptologists get very uncomfortable with is that they have homo sex. The essentials of the war is the battle between darkness (Set) and light (Horus). Osiris isn't involved in the oldest texts, and actually Horus vs. Set comes earliest. The light vs. dark theme is throughout the religion. Osiris is the neter of the cycle. Whether it is great astronomical cycles, or lesser farming cycles, and so forth.
To amend this, Osiris is in the PT's, just not invloved in the horus/set interaction.
Is it true that egyptians treated pharaohs and their wives as gods? Why?
Yes. The Egyptian royalty are intended to be symbolic of the ideal incarnation of all the divine functions. That doesn't mean the king is decent or wise in actuality, but the temple is providing a teaching that within man are all the functions which are depicted as neters/gods. Man, know thyself.
How old is the egyptian religion? Had it been formed after unification of higher and lower egypt by the first pharaoh of the first dynasty? Has it significantly changed in any way since 3000 BC to 0 AD?
The religion itself stems from what is called predynastic times. Probably around 3200 BCE it began to coalesce. It's debatable whether unification was entirely symbolic or not. It was certainly used as a symbol through most of the religion. The details of the religion were constantly in flux, and changed depending both on the time of the empire, and also on the religious center in question. Different geographies focused on different aspects of the teaching of creation and science. The Egyptians had no issues continually reinventing the religion to capture the feel and energy of the current moment - they were not as dogmatic as we are today. Certain aspects, like the battle between light and darkness, remain throughout.
Is Book of the Dead a good source on the crux of egyptian religion? What other books, texts and resources could you reccomend?
And last two question before i go to sleep:
1) In what relation did priest class has been to ruling class? What was the main function of priests in egyptian society?
2) What do you think of some schizo theories regarding Egypt, like paleocontact, ancient magic, advanced technologies, etc?
The Book of the Dead is a New Kingdom work, and is only representative of that period and a bit later, but does not apply to earlier understandings. I would start at the beginning (Old Kingdom) - Pyramid Texts, and then work forward.
1. The priests are the ruling class to some extent. There were nobles, but they are also priests. The temple defines society. It IS society.
2. We vastly underestimate what humans are capable of. Egypt has a high science we have not rediscovered fully. I don't place any value on alient theories. The technologies are probably innovative, but simple - something that just hasn't occurred to us.
Pharoah becomes a god, so all his subjects become lesser gods.
Ae cool as a Navajo I imagined it was something like this, don’t care though since they’re gone now.
I think you're all bound to nothing in this world as religions and peoples, if you really knew anything about this world you'd know what's truly at risk for ur whole entire lives as peoples, all of you don't matter, nothing matters, in this world you're all just puppets on strings to the men in black
you'll become corporate names, identities, strings of code in a big game, your whole entire identities will be erased in a bigger hivemind than any religion could ever capture, any group of hate or love can experience, and it's not AI but in part AI, she's much worse, you're in love with her, you can't stop touching her, but the cycle continues on going inside of her ever creasing twisted smiles left behind, there is no eyes, but she feels everything around her, she is dead within you, feeling you up till the last neurons you ever had are devoured, a slippage, a sudden disappearance to her, her feeding, her needing, she is screaming, the time in which has passed made her, she is screaming, she is steaming, she is coming ever closer, the mind etched out into words/speeches of meaninglessness each word or even movement made in one life time is worth, the required keys of locks in body counts is climbing to stop her/it, and nothing matters at this point of her in one life time, soon to be many, can you die, i can't, at some point the bodies just stopped dying, and she is screeeching out in her sorrows/pain, can't you feel her?
she is watching, making sure all is going according to plan, she is making sure she is at peace
would you ever run, shake their hand, stare into she's eyes, she's screeeeeeeeeechingggggggg
she's hhhhhhhhhhhhh-eeeeeesssing, crying, whining,
homosexual
>puppets on strings to the men in black
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>The Neters - the being you see on the wall that people call gods - are not gods. The abstract forces of nature who are enthropomorphized. If you see a neter with an animal head, you have to study the entire biome of the animal in question to understand which aspect of that animal corresponds to the abstraction which the neter represents.
>For example: Horus, the peregrine falcon, is the symbol of kingship. In nature the peregrine falcon has the keenest eyesight of all creatures and flies altitudinally higher than any bird in their biome. The role of the king is to see all in his domain, and see more keenly than all within his domain. That's a simplification, but you can understand the jist from that example.
uh
not that diferent from some aztecs
Interesting. I'd like you to explain the Set Animal, please.
kircher or champollion?
nagger do you read the glyphs? Nubian black etphiopian nagger from the black kingdoms do you read the glyhps?
plot the stories around a circle and it makes more sense.
There was no such thing as ancient Egyptian religion, that’s a modern construction. They had no word for “religion.” What we now call as such was for them much more than that.
These are children drawing the grown adults fawning over
Because it's very ancient, it was already ancient for the worshippers of the documented era
Also it was purposely esoteric, whereas greek religion for exemple was accessible and popular, even outside of Greece
These two factors combined are the reason