Earth is a soul farm
God wants to populate the heavens
For each birth a soul is created
After death real life begins where a soul has the option to experience another earth life to grow and learn to love more so that they have more love to share in heaven
Some of us are here for the first time
Some of us have been here countless time before and this is just another ride.
Yeah maybe. Really you're probably totally wrong. There's a huge amount of possible scenarios for how the afterlife operates, if there is such a thing. You'd probably have a better chance of winning the lotto several times in a row than correctly guessing how reality works behind the scenes. I'm not saying we'll never know but it's going to take a lot of trial and error from empirical tests to be certain
I've been looking at a lot of NDE videos and this is what I have concluded
Unless they are all scripted Christian propaganda
This but people refuse to acknowledge or accept this, or at the very least operate from this position.
Like this guy, saying what you just said to him is like trying to shove a 2x4 into someone's ear canal.
I mean talk about dense. NDE videos. On YouTube. Retarded.
Dont debate this guy if he starts whining hes not even worth acknowledging beyond what I've done here.
>I acknowlegde NDE videos may be Christian(?) propaganda.. ie, embellished and/or fictional, open for different perspectives
>this makes me dense, retarded, unworthy of debate and acknowledgement
Who hurt you anon
>Really you're probably totally wrong.
What's the exact probability then?
Give me the number or kill yourself.
iron is an extraterrestial accident. the discovery and further conversion into weapony is a by product of this very idealistic essence.
the planets before you, destroyed and rendered uninhabitable as this will be too.
There is iron in our blood. It keeps us connected to Earth's magnetism.
Much more optimistic view than the loosh farm theory
I like the way Larry Niven in "Protector" laid things out, even if he was talking about elders transforming physically rather than spiritually. Souls are created by reproduction, but the physical body is both the vehicle and the kindling for the soul. Once it leaves the body, you're effectively moving on to the next plane of existence, whether that's just a more emergent property of our own 3rd dimension (in which case the soul/consciousness is akin to a shadow projected onto our perceived reality) or a compelely different zone outside of known space-time. Either way, the soul is something people have an intrinsic awareness of. You don't need to study rigorously, go on a decades-long spiritual quest, or adhere to organized religion to be aware of the soul. The breath of life is the spirit, but the soul is the kindled core of your awareness nourished by life. Once it breaks out of the mortal chrysalis, who knows what awaits us in the great beyond.
>have more love to share in heaven
Could there also be a Heaven where I don't have to do any sharing with anyone? Sharing in the material sense is fine, if I get a bag of planets, I'd hand them out, no problem, I just don't want to spend any time with any human.
I don't know. Maybe. What I gather from watching NDE videos, which I don't necessarily consider a reliable source of truth, is that you just sort of are accompanied by various forms of consciousness that emanate tremendous love and compassion, but also that you get a great deal of freedom to traverse this realm of existence in ways you seem fit.
Sorry for maybe seeming contrarian, but "not interacting with any human who ever lived" would be a pretty important criterion.
I don't want anything bad to happen to anyone, I just want to GTFO and not see a single human look at me with that asshole-look. You know what I'm talking about: people who judge you and start shit in everyday life, or lecture you about this or that shit.
If I had other humans around and even suspected that any of them, in this supposedly perfect new world, had a single one of these judging thoughts that would then be bound to germinate as some seed of darkness bound to eventually fuck up the whole world all over again, I wouldn't want it. I can forgive any single individual, fine. You know, we all behave like assholes sometimes, me included. But I'm not forgiving the human-in-itself ("Mensch an sich", if you're into the Kant lingo).
"Human-in-itself" is not a thing, it's my generic impression of "the generic human", which you also have in your head, and conjure up when someone says something like "thing of a random guy".
Because I also hate it, I effectively have this specter in my head that has no fixed form, but which sometimes appears like some suit-wearing Republican (just a stereotype, I have nothing against actual Republicans), or some priest, or SJW, or general combative asshole online (this last one has no form, it's more an impression, since we don't see each other when posting text), and I hate that thing so fiercely, it's unreal. I'd be willing to nuke Heaven because of it, in this hypothetical scenario. It actually makes me despise the entire world.
Well I don't know. I imagine a place awaits that is governed by limitless love and compassion, from the souls and angels that live there to the gargantuan mountains and miles high cities and stars that you can visit, it all breathes conscious oneness, and that these are the most important laws of nature that would also guide you, in my understanding, in conjunction with God, always offering absolute love and understanding.
I heard a story where someone saw souls of children who got to create their own star and solar system, all wacky and childlike but completely real.
From what I understand is that to enter heaven you first go through a process where your sinds are reviewed, you have to heal the pain and suffering, and then your sins are absolved and you enter the proverbial pearly gates where everything is possible.
Thanks, anon, that's a really sweet image, I appreciate it.
>you have to heal the pain and suffering
Ok, if you want to hear it, don't have to: the second thing that pisses me off to this day is having to do all the work in group projects. You know, when you have to something in a group of 4-6 in school and then 2-3 guys just do nothing, but take the credit.
If you think it out: if you caused 10 suffering-units, then you'd have to heal 10 suffering-units, maybe.
I don't know how many suffering-units I caused, I'm a pretty average person. But if I saw myself healing a lot of suffering-units, then wouldn't I conclude that, if I healed 1,000,000 suffering-units, that I had also caused 1,000,000 suffering-units? I don't fucking kill millions of people, holy shit.
This is the kind of fucked thought-process I got into my head over the years, I'm basically the reincarnation of Franz Kafka. But I don't want to disprove anything you say/attack you, I'm just describing the thought processes in my head.
We could say that what I really despise is the prospect of being judged, and ever having been judged.
To be even more precise: not "ever having been judged", because I don't give a shit what "happened", only about how it affects me now. What I thus actually despise in that second case is that all the smug fucking assholes would be around, still acting smug, thereby implicitly but continuously reinforcing my suffering which they have implanted into me via said negative judgment: if feel shit because of the things people self-righteously say.
If we really wanted to simplify it. But it really is that, just felt too strongly to be easily knowable. I had to run the complicated analysis to get to the simple statement.
I have a guilt-complex (put into me) which makes me, I'm not joking, think that literally every condemnation every uttered is uttered against me, and that everything is my fault. This isn't just "a bit of an issue", it rises to the level of me thinking AND FEELING, that I'm Satan, the Antichrist, Hitler, a psychopath, a malignant narcissist, and so on, and so forth, and interminably great length. All these fine more judgments that people love to "helpfully share" so confidently: all lashes on my back. Hence my resentment. Also why I don't want any of those human folx around me. As weird is at sounds, you could describe it like this:
> for any given person P, I'd be fine with person P being around
> I wouldn't be fine with the fact that people were around
Of course, "people being around" directly follows from (1):
> a person P is around
> a person P forms a set of humans
> therefore a set of humans are around ("people are around")
This is a valid argument and I can't run it because I have a material contradiction in my mind, see above. In logic, those are bad, and I mean "1+1=3 being proven"-bad. It corrupts my thought process like "1+1=3" being proven would corrupt all of mathematics, hence my suffering.
I'm sorry to hear that. The channel is NDE Diary, which I found interesting and inspiring and offers some food for thought.
Maybe it can help you, I wish you well and I am glad to have this talk with you.
https://youtube.com/@ndediary?si=bhA9hT6G7V3V9v9x
What the hell I did NOT enter a name
Happens sometimes, don't worry about it.
1+1=3~infinity is just sexual reproduction
Instead of 1=1 of the cloning process.
I meant the normal version of the statement, like if you put two coffee cups next to each other on your kitchen counter, there's not going to be three coffee-cups.
I wouldn't want to have children either, for the same reason I wouldn't want to see anyone happy. I'm fine with people being happy elsewhere, I just don't want to SEE it, I don't want know about it. This would be pretty had to do with my own children. I'd literally hate them for being happy.
In turn, this would be because "being happy" means "not having had to suffer". Since I had to suffer and therefore can't be happy, someone who is happy wouldn't have suffered.
So in a roundabout way, seeing others being happy reinforces my low status on the well-being ladder: I suffer, they don't, thus I must be shit in relative terms. Which just means I'm shit. Which, yes, I am, but I also wouldn't like to be reminded of it non-stop by people enjoying Heaven, while I get to go to weekly Heaven-therapy and "t-t-t-thanks f-for the daily dose, d-doc". Meanwhile, everyone else is having pool parties and fun.
So I'd have to attain max-happiness myself: 100% happy. Ok, but someone else started out at 95% happy, why the fuck I do get some "claw your way out of hell"-challenge? If you measure the difficulty of getting into Heaven by the happiness-distance: the 95%-happy guy had to travel 5% happiness-road, maybe he was inattentive to his friend in collage and they have a nice, heartfelt conversation about it.
Then the guy who started out from 0% gets to have traveled 100% of the happiness-road. And since the happiness-road only has 100%, and that guy 100% himself, guess what that amounts to: working out salvation by yourself.
Which of course means that one is deemed so completely fucking worthless and reprehensible that one doesn't get given a fucking smidgeon of grace. I didn't start out 0% happy, I made myself 0% happy due to infohazards in my mind (neuroses).
So what does works out to is:
>why the fuck do I get to work out my issues whereas someone else gets to just not have them?
I don't want to work out any fucking issues, I want to never have had issues in the first place. I don't want these fucking issues to exist at all, and to never have existed. It's nice to not be that traumatized day-to-day about something that happened if that's just a given, but it's a lot better if the bad event doesn't occur. It's better to have healthy skin than a scar, even if a scar is better than an open wound.
And then some people get to saunter in fresh-faced and happy, while others arrive in Heaven broken and battered, riddled with hundreds of scars, dragging themselves along the ground with the last gasp. If everyone gets the same reward - you know what, fine. Fine. It's not equitable, that's sure as shit, but fine.
The problem is that the suffering stays in existence, at least in your memory. And if it doesn't, then it was just discretionary evil done to you by god: some people got shit lives, fuck 'em. Some are born as millionaires, others legless and mentally retarded, in poverty. I suppose that's just the "necessary evil". Ok, let's say even that: it's the necessary evil, the world just had to undergo an imperfect process, suffering was the by-product.
Nonetheless: each body had to be assigned a soul. Why the fuck did I get this one? No easier tasks to go around, like "collecting fixed income from my trust fund and going skiing and kayaking around the world"?
I wouldn't want to go skiing or kayaking now, as I have all this suffering as described above in my past, meaning I'm too fucked-up to enjoy literally anything.
Just in case you want to say something to cheer me up, some people do that: I don't spurn it when someone says something nice and I can even feel a kind of happiness-like emotion, but fundamentally, really enjoying anything is closed-off to me by an event horizon.
Grow a skin like, grow stronger, everyone have issues to deal with.A Strong mind is listening to his heart.
This equation is just logic, go beyond logic.
Thats part
>Grow a skin like, grow stronger
I understand that that is the solution, but I don't want to have to be strong. Other people get by without having to develop any strength. And: this strength comes at the price of having no joy.
Bro, we pick our difficulty level before we are born into each lifecycle. You are mad at yourself.
And, I DO know this for a fact. I was shown during my NDE. I was then shown confirmation the next night IOT rule out "it was only a dream".
Yeah just gonna buy a video game then give myself amnesia before I play it
Im going to give you the key to pass this test. YOU must follow it. Knowing the answer isn;t good enough. Youre welcome.
Want proof? ASK your controller. Just close your eyes and ASK.
I was actually born Hindu, but I don't believe in karma (fully at least) anymore because I was abused severely and continue to be abused by someone who doesn't suffer nearly as much as they cause and have caused others to suffer.
>Their karma will come back to them eventually!
How convenient, it'll just be when I won't be around to know for sure. It's not like there's a CCTV camera that shows what happens to someone after they die. I still believe in karma, but only as a precaution, so I avoid doing certain things. But I stopped believing that it really affects other people. I lost my faith.
funny. during my NDE I was shown every moral decision I ever made from as early as I could recollect. (5 yrs old). It proved I was being judged. It was like watching a cctv cam of my life. I cant speak for you but, I am definitely taking a test.
They all say the same thing and are all right, miss the celtic tradition though
Here's my take about what druids would have say :
A tree without roots cannot live but a tree without new branches cannot grow. Said the bear. A healthy individual is someone who knows his past and reach for the light (wisdom)
holy shit dude, youre not alone. sounds a lot like my past 8 years.
lots of self love and care helps this mindset. its hard getting the ball rolling withoit feeling the guilt but you can do it.
Thanks, anon. I feel with you. I'm trying to work out my issues this way too, by laying them out.
That makes quite concerned for what kind of mad"man" "I" must be outside of this life.
So yeah, not sure whether stuff like this is accounted for in this consciousness-scheme, but at least they won't be able to accuse me of not having provided the necessary information about the problem.
Enjoy the ride
Part of me wonders what it is all good for
But I guess my higher self knows I would go through these questions. And I should strive for optimal choices in this life and wait for what comes after.
I sometimes wonder if the moon wasn't originally the garden of eden
This guy was so fucking stupid
He should have burned everything else instead
So, what you're trying to say is that 'love' is a quantitative resource you generate more of the more you suffer? What is 'love' in the first place and why is it supposed to be so important that the mentions of it are ever prevalent? Is suffering supposed to be good for you too? Why? How? For what purpose?
I completely disagree with the part of new age beliefs that say that this world is a "school". There is no lesson to be learned as a kid starving and eventually dying on the streets. There is no "lesson" in being a child soldier and getting killed in a war. There is no "lesson" in being abused to the point of losing faith in your original spiritual beliefs.
>"What if you wanted to know what it feels like?"
Does watching a horror movie mean you want to actually be the character inside the movie and dealing with the problems? Do I really want to deal with getting shot at because I played an FPS game?
What annoys me is the emphasis on the influence on others
They all say you will have to progress your negative impact on others as well as positive and that in this life we should always put love and compassion first for every living creature
That implies my own values, dreams, goals and aspiriations are completely meaningless and have no value.
Stop focusing on negativity just love everyone. That's your goal. No achievements, no legacy, no earthly desires ultimately matter.
Say I wanted to learn how to box
You spar and fight competitively and consensually
According to these people you have to suffer every blow you deal tenfold.
Well that's dumb. As brothers we agreed to help each other become better in this life but apparently that's a no no. Your actions are weighed specifically by how you affected other living beings. Yes I hurt another man. But it was in good spirits and afterward we shook hands as friends. Then up in heaven I just need to suffer a series of delibitating livershots first before I can enter the VIP club.
Stop the war on drugs, regulation by the council and healthcare should suffice.
We're not criminals, We're just idiots who dont know how to pass time properly.
Im sorry some have to through those hardships for the greed of a few
The harkonnen must be defeated
Lol
Imagine how tight you have to be with your homey to agree to douse him in gasoline and flick a match
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