Does cognitive inequality explain economic inequality?

Does cognitive inequality explain economic inequality?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I doubt it.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    purely touristic factors

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It doesn't since southern italians that moved to the US tend to be more wealthy than northern italians that stayed in Italy.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That's because the US itself is a richer country

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Also there is no reason to believe that the Southern Italians that emigrated were a random sample.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          50% of the wops who came over here went back to Italy when they realized the US wasn't a perfect paradise
          Italian-Americans have been filtered of the least competent

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >50% of the wops who came over here went back to Italy when they realized the US wasn't a perfect paradise
            Welfare and its consequence have been a disaster for immigration

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Italian Americans are richer than German, Swedish, Dutch and Norwegian Americans.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income#Detailed_ancestry

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            This doesn't change what I said.
            Blacks in New York City earn more than the average Italians as well.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >being poorer than latvian, russian and lithuanian americans
            Expalined easily by the regions they inhabit being hiatorically richer.

            When italian american migrated to america they migrated as cheap worforce to the richest industrious areas (new york, california), this areas have always been richer than other areas. As such the median income is higher. The cost of living too probably

            Doesn't proves much.
            Russians are not very smart

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            "Russians" in the USA are israelites.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            This some hard cope. Irish, French and Dutch Americans also live in industrial cities like New York and Chicago, but they still are halfway between Italian Americans and African Americans when it comes to income.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Source?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Irish, French and Dutch Americans also live in industrial cities like New York and Chicago
            they are not halfway, read the definition of HALF, and no, frrench, irish and dutch americans are heavily distributed aarround the midwest and south.
            french are well known to have their biggest communities on the south for instance, italians are almost entirely in new york and california

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >That fake map

            This is the official map from the US government. Biggest cluster of Dutch, Irish and French Americans are around industrial center like Great lakes region, New York, California, Florida etc...

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Tons of Italians in the western regions

            How will they cope now? Aren't they supposed to live in New York? KeK

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Tons of Italians in the western regions

            How will they cope now? Aren't they supposed to live in New York? KeK

            cope about what?

            most of the population is statistically clearly in new york, new jersey, colorado, connecticut, massachusetts, california and rhode island

            precisely the most expensive regions in whole america

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Stop posting shit self reported ethnicity census maps. Use maps based on historical census data, not modern self reported data, which is notorious for being incorrect. This is much more accurate map based off historical census records. Most Mexicans are 2/3 Spanish, so they have been listed as Spanish.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Irish, French and Dutch Americans also live in industrial cities like New York and Chicago
            they are not halfway, read the definition of HALF, and no, frrench, irish and dutch americans are heavily distributed aarround the midwest and south.
            french are well known to have their biggest communities on the south for instance, italians are almost entirely in new york and california

            now compare this to the scandinavian american population, they own 2000 dollars less a year than italians from new york while living in states with a cost of living half of expensive, overall italian americans are poorer

            new jersey has a cost of living 15% higher than the average of america
            New york 26% higher than the average in america
            and minessota (where scandinavian americans are) has a cost of living 1% average than the average in america
            however italian americans only own a 2,8% more than swedish americans, which translates in them being on average a 12% to 22% poorer

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            What the hell are you talking about, you stupid mutt? Most Scandinavian Americans live in California and in the Great lakes regions.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_and_Scandinavian_Americans

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >wisconsin 4% lower than the national average
            >minnesota 1% lower than the national average
            >illinois 6% lower than the national average
            >utah is on the national average
            >michigan 10% lower than the national average
            >Iowa 10% lower than the national average

            point in case Black person, like 70% of them live in places way below the national average in cost of living

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Germanic settlements turn out to be shitholes
            >Italian build cities like New York
            >Somehow this is supposed to be a good point for Germanics

            The absolute state. You sound like those Chinese GDP PPP copers. Accept your inferiory and move on.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            New York already had 2 million people and was the 3rd largest city in the world in 1880.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Italian build cities
            LOL
            New york was always rich you dumb Black person, thats the exact reason italians mgirated there, just like Black folk on the bronx italians were just imported to urban industrial cities to work as cheap labour.
            Italians are literally slaves while germanic settlers arrived america as settlers that developed from scratch rural areas into towns
            And just like Black folk italians are extremely poor in relation the urban cost of living.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >shitholes
            Not for the germanic americans.
            They live and earn more than enough for them
            While italians arrived as farming equipment for the anglo industrial overlords in america
            Only gives a point on italians having slave genetics
            Countries ran by italio-spaniard mutts (uruguay/argentina) are third world shitholes poorer than atlanta

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Stay out of this argument, you filthy schizo Bolivian troony. I can spot your stink from a mile.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            This argument is entirely of mine you stupid farming equipment

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous
      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        No it’s because Americans use to kick out undesirables. Ones that couldn’t make a living moved back to south Italy. South Italy has been brain drained quite a lot.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Kirkegaard is a hack who doesn't know what he's talking about. They want to talk about genetics but don't know anything about the topic.

    >his is of course what hereditarians were always saying based on various indicators of ancestry which show North African admixture in the south.
    moronic sentences like this only prove they are completely clueless about the topic. North African ancestry in South Itali is minimal. It's much higher in Iberia, but Spanish and Portuguese perform better at all those PISA tests compared to South Italians.

    It's actually quite annoying that this bufoon writes about something he clearly doesn't understand.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Finally, we have some more exciting results using ancient genomes in the works. Stay tuned!
      Oh boy, this will be good. They will probably test like 5 samples and came up with some moronic conclusion.

      It's funny how this homosexual hates Africa, though. South Italians are like 80% East Med, but it's the 2% North African ancestry that's the biggest problem to him, lol.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Richard Lynn and his croonies are moronic. Southern Italians are genetically much more European than Maltese and Ashkenazi israelites, who have a measured average IQ of 97 and 110 respectively but for some reason Sicilians must have an average IQ of 90 because of 2% NAFRI admixure.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Why would Malta be so different from Sicily given they are so close?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Genetically? Because of non-European admixture in Maltese.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            But Sicily and Malta are pretty close

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Sardinia and Italy are also close but Sardinians are its own thing.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Sicilians are far closer to Maltese than Sardinians are to Corsicans I believe

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Is it really all that different?
            Last time I heard about it they were about roughly the same. Only difference was that maltese spoke a dialect of arabic.
            Who am I kidding its not really arabic anymore.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Maltese have more Nafri and Near Eastern admixture but like Sicilians can be pretty much described as 3/4 Maltese and 1/4 Tuscan, hardly that far from them.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            More North African admixture in Malta. Sicilians also aren't the same, West and East Sicilian samples are quite different.

            Both are mostly East Meds.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe the results are true while the explanation is off.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The results are true. They are confirmed by PISA. Their explanations are moronic. Every time.
        It's astounding that this kind of moronic stuff can be published in 2022.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          While Near Eastern admixture could be a factor it could also be everything that happened since the fall of Rome

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >North African ancestry in South Itali is minimal
      Source?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Model them yourself.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          how to learn sir?

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No. That's an excuse used by the powerful.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Who are the powerful?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Those with power and control.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          And those are?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Do you want a list of names and addresses?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yes

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Sounds like a request for doxxing

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Where did you see powerful people use hereditarianism as an excuse?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It's the go-to explanation for poverty and other social issues: it's inborn and the fault of the poor, so we the wealthy and influential have no responsibility. It's a sort of Calvinist approach that was common in the Anglosphere in the early industrial era and has made a comeback in recent decades.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Not true. The powers that be are liberal. Hereditarian ideas are promulgated only on obscure Internet spaces

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >liberal
            Burger detected

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I want you to give an answer less vague than waving your hand and saying "it's the powerful." Is every rich person a part of the powerful? Is every politician? Is every CEO? What is their political affiliation? Do they permeate every political paradigm?

            Saying "the powerful" is like one step below saying "the devil." It’s a nothing answer that gives no clarification whatsoever.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >below saying "the devil."
            t. Satan

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I am, nice to meet you

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I doubt it.

      Troonspeak cope
      Wakanda will never ever exist

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Dilate

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You will never have a functional civilisation

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Have sex

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Wakanda will never exist

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Touch grass

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't Kirkegaard a LARPer and a fraud?

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >A new study confirms Sicilians have an average IQ of 92
    >It's behing a paywall and you need to pay $212.00 to see it

    Dude was really afraid people would quickly demolish him.

    https://mankindquarterly.org/archive/issue/63-2/7

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.gwern.net/docs/iq/ses/2010-lynn.pdf

      Richard Lynn and his croonies are moronic. Southern Italians are genetically much more European than Maltese and Ashkenazi israelites, who have a measured average IQ of 97 and 110 respectively but for some reason Sicilians must have an average IQ of 90 because of 2% NAFRI admixure.

      holy cope homosexual

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Debunked here.

        Holy cope.

        >In a 2010 article about IQ in Italy,[77] Lynn contended that IQs are highest in the north (103 in Friuli-Venezia Giulia) and lowest in the south (89 in Sicily) and are correlated with average incomes, stature, infant mortality, literacy and education. The lack of any actual IQ test data (as Lynn used PISA score data) among other methodological issues and Lynn's consequent conclusions were criticised.[78][79] Other large surveys in Italy have found much smaller differences in educational achievement.[80][81] Several subsequent studies based on the direct assessment of IQs failed to report significant differences among Italian regions. On the contrary, the results from the Southern half of the country (103) are sometimes higher than those from the North Central regions (100–101).[82][83]

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Lol, yeah, all that Near Eastern and North African ancestry in South Italy and Sardinia. Lynn is a dumb homosexual who knows nothing about history or population genetics.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The moron actually mentions Y-DNA and claims that Serbia is half Near Eastern.
          I'm guessing it's because of E-V13 and J2b?

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    lmao, moron shitskin posting moronic shitskin studies

    the whole thing is laughable. based on INVALSI which is a joke at worst and nothing close to an IQ test at best.

    sorry ahmed, you will never be human

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Stop being racist

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I still remember when Lynn was arguing the MENA admix was from E-v13. PISA is a shitty tool since there's a massive educational disparity between "grammar" schools and "technical" schools in the south

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They argued that haplogroups predict IQ or something, while using Eupedia maps and eupedia info (R1b coming with farmers).

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Isnt North Italy just great as a region while the Southern regions are mountainous bullshit that produces shit crops?

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Can easily be explained by genetics.
    Southern italians are descended from slaves of the so called breadbasket of a empore.
    Not different at all from the african american farming equipment.

    All the more italy and greece show very similar results in pisa MATH scores to latin american and middle eastern countries.

    It is not rocket science that southern italians are genetically conditioned to corrupt behaviour.
    Places were they went unleashed like argentina and their very country are full of mafias, favelas, poverty, dysfunctional economies, corruption, etc.

    There si no reason to asume they have any kind of genetical potential above subsaharan africans

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Argentinian Italians are like half North half South

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Where are these genes then?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's probably more recent than that. Look at israelites, they cluster with Sicilians and Maltese and are the smartest people on the planet.
      North Italians, Swiss and Dutch perform very well at PISA math tests. All three have banking/trading history.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It could be something that happened between 400 and 1300

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        israeli people does not "cluster" really. They have suffered a bottleneck so they have the traits of an insularized population (very divergent)
        Of course this is not displayed on a tridimentional pca with the lower PCs diluted.
        They are descended from a founder effect of 200 persons and subjected to high trait selection over 1200 on a hostile enviroment (christian europe).
        I don't expect them to have similar cognitive capacity to other humans in general

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Holy cope.

      >In a 2010 article about IQ in Italy,[77] Lynn contended that IQs are highest in the north (103 in Friuli-Venezia Giulia) and lowest in the south (89 in Sicily) and are correlated with average incomes, stature, infant mortality, literacy and education. The lack of any actual IQ test data (as Lynn used PISA score data) among other methodological issues and Lynn's consequent conclusions were criticised.[78][79] Other large surveys in Italy have found much smaller differences in educational achievement.[80][81] Several subsequent studies based on the direct assessment of IQs failed to report significant differences among Italian regions. On the contrary, the results from the Southern half of the country (103) are sometimes higher than those from the North Central regions (100–101).[82][83]

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Italy is below plenty of african countries in math scores.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The only African countries doing PISA tests are Tunisia and Algeria, animal.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      PISA tests are bullshit and 90% of countries cheat on them. You have to be crazy to believe that Poles and Estonians are intelligent because of PISA test, since their scientific achievements are basically zero.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Estonia is pretty small and before WW1 it was pretty rural

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Isn't there like... 1 million estonians? I don't expect them to lead sciencies if you understand what i mean. Southern italians are what, 25 million maybe?
        They can't even run their regions with the gibs from the EU and the north of italy.

        Is easily explaines genetically

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          More like 15 millions of Southern Italians and Estonians get hundreds of billions of EU gibz.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            But estoniasn effectively run their country on their own and are a developing economy ran with a mere population of 1 million being estonia a post--soviet state.

            In the meanwhile southern italy is extremely corrupt and can't run itself despite having the manpower to do so, southern italy is so corrupt and inefficient it self-sabotages over and over. it is more than evident cause is genetic

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Italy has issues with things like organized crime, unemployment, and corruption but it's still a first world country. The worst days in terms of corruption and mafia violence were years ago, in the 80s and early 90s.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            First world countries do not look like this.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Motherfricker thinks the other countries in the first world don't have poor areas. Ever been in the UK outside resort town?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Other countries on the first world definitely do not have entire areas that look like this

            It is somalia tier.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Have you ever been to fricking paris you gay Black person? Paris looks like this including the somali Black folk.
            Thw theory of you being south american is reiforced by your absolute lack of knowledge of european cities.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            But the problem is that southern italy barely has foreigners in it.
            Ita mostly locals living like this.
            Parisians don't live like this, the african migrants do.

            Southernn italy is 3rd world favela.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Visit a fully white council housing scheme in the uk and see how first world it looks.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Definitely not like a decaying favela.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Live your myth in Essex

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >a single house (it can boil down entirely to a single individual personal conditions like dyogenes syndrome) vs entire regions and apartment complexes (it can only run down to an entire population being genetically disposed to shitholeness)

            The next two houses look normal btw

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >subhuman third worlder thinks that first world countries are utopias where everyone is rich
            many such cases

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            This kind of third worldness shitholeness is nowhere to be found in the first world

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            you've never even left your favela, how would you know?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            All favelas are full of talians

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            What?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            In brazil, argentina and other countries known for favelas the favelado population are mostly ghetto italians devolved into their autonomous rule

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            i dont care about your third world shithole, has nothing to do with anything

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            But enough about southern italy

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yep, this picture here must be in somalia, the people here must be worse than central african Black folk.
            It's obviously in sicily I'm sure you can tell.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            this looks significantly better than white trash shitholes in america

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, this must obviously be morocco.
            Look at how run down everything is. The people here must be north african chimpanzees, at least.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            even first world countries have poor white areas you moronic thirdie

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            That's the point I'm trying to prove, anon.

            [...]
            >the worst you can get in the UK are a bunch of apartment complexes with....uh...

            Point in case, even your own pics show them being individual hoses because all the bad houses have good looking ones next to them

            Nothing suggests italy or your country, spain, are not third worlder shitholes.

            Oh no it's not the worst I can get I was just going easy on you. Where might this be? Colombia? paraguay?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yep, this picture here must be in somalia, the people here must be worse than central african Black folk.
            It's obviously in sicily I'm sure you can tell.

            >the worst you can get in the UK are a bunch of apartment complexes with....uh...

            Point in case, even your own pics show them being individual hoses because all the bad houses have good looking ones next to them

            Nothing suggests italy or your country, spain, are not third worlder shitholes.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Where is this, mexico?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            could use a lick of paint but relatively better than accommodation for the lowest incomes in the developed world

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >the worst pakistani slums (one is not even a slum but a parking lot lmao) on the first world look better than the average italian street

            That's the point I'm trying to prove, anon.
            [...]
            Oh no it's not the worst I can get I was just going easy on you. Where might this be? Colombia? paraguay?

            Where is this, mexico?

            Why are italians so thirdie? Low iq explains it?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            why are british so thirdie also, arw they north african too? We need to reserach more into this.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >a abandoned pottery factory looks lime a abandoned building
            Lol you are not making a point by posting this jose

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Posts a ghetto full of somalians.
            >This is supposed to prove south italy as inhabited by italians is a shithole because gaucho magic.
            Ok ok I'm sorry last (you)

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            ???those are regular italians. They look like that

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It's actually in Greece and the people are Arabs (you can guess it from the signs).

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Is this in ciudad de mexico?
            Caracas maybe?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >The uk has grassfields heh. Gotcha! Italy is not brazil!
            Lel

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Wtf this looks like my old house in ethiopia.
            I didn't knew italy was so poor

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You are mentally etarded and this boring now.
            Fix your mental neurosis with the fourth shore of north africa your singleminded spamming for no one in particular is very annoying.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Lmao there are places in the UK and US that look worse than this.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Muh slaves

      They all died in farms and mines. Southern Italians derive mostly from Greeks and Ashkenazis are a more MENA version of them.

      >If we accept Galton's reasoning, Ancient Greeks had the highest mean IQ of any human population, something like 120 or 125. By comparison, Ashkenazi israelites have an estimated mean IQ of 110. But was Galton right? His calculations were criticized at the time, specifically for underestimating the number of Athenian citizens. He consequently revised his calculation downward to 1.5 grades higher, i.e., a mean IQ of 115 to 119 (Challis 2013, p. 56).

      http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2019/07/the-golden-age-of-intelligence.html?m=1

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Southern italy was known as the breadkbasket of the empire. Their population was most definitely composed of serfs and slaves working on plantations not different to african americans.
        Their population reflexes this genetic limitation

        On the meanwhile sshkenazi israelites are descended from an elite group (probably traders) selectively bred over 1700 years aftwr a founding effect, similar reason they are lighter pigmented than anyone in southenr europe.
        High IQ does not reflex in other israelites either for that reason.
        Southern italians however are not selected for any trait. They are just in their natural african-like state

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Here we go with the argie troony having a seizure after dilating his manhole. KEK

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >They all died in farms and mines
        Demographically impossible without a rapidly growing source population

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >rapidly growing.
          Thw population of 18th and 19th netury was quitw stagnant. This however did not stop the slave madters of sak t dominque to work their slaves to death and importing more.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Of 18th 19th century africa I mean.
            Yes I phonepost kys.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The African population grew after the Columbian exchange introduced maize and other crops. Otherwise the continent would have been depopulated, at least far more than it was.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Lol sure literally millions of slaves in antiquity had no impact bro!!! They all died n shit xD!

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        A lot of slaves became LIBERTI (freedmen) and LIBERTI thrived and got extremely rich and held prestotious positions

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Admixture studies finished the debate years ago (by the admission of environmental researchers themselves, who are more qualified than anyone here to an opinion), IQ is 80% heritable and increases with European and East Asian admixture

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      And the consensus is exactly what I’ve said

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That's the opposite of a consensus.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Most researchers agree on IQ being mostly heritable. Anyway, any answers at 0% can be ignored (because it’s physically impossible).

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >most
            >mostly
            (You) sure love weasel words

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Most = consensus

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Two more weeks

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >increases with European and East Asian admixture
    Oh really?

    >Ethnic Kazakhs obtained a mean British IQ of 82.2, ethnic Russians obtained a mean British IQ of 103.2, and ethnic Uzbeks obtained a mean British IQ of 86.0.
    Lynn's data. Why a mix of Sintashta Aryans and East Asians have IQ lower than American blacks?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Kazakh and uzbeks are churka X mongolian mutts.
      Not to compare with for instance japanese X french mutts.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Mongolian
        Pure East Asian. Kazakhs are mostly Sintashta+Mongolia with minor Irania admixture.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Mongolians are north asians.
          Tajiks are more related to swedes than mongolians to koreans

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It would be interesting to compare 2 genetically similar group differentiated by whether they farm or are pastoralists.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Telling a guy with a life changing TBI that IQ is 80% heritable

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It could be that IQ was similar from Gaul to the Levant(or even higher in the Levant) during the Roman period and that differences arose later.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Cognitive inequality doesn't exist chud, some one needs to threaten this man's lively hood

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >lively hood
      Is this the new euphemism for no-go zones?

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There is 0 (zero) reasons to believe douthern italians have any genetic capacity for intelectual work above subsaharan africans. Specially above african americans

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Now this ia just your neurosis coming to full display. Come on bro.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        African americans have higher achievement, income, IQ, and proved a superior development capacity over southern italians
        There is literally no reason to believe southern italians are any better than them, but the opposite. Let alone to anglos or japanese or germans or chinese or french.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Southern italians in the US have higher incomes than african americans. You just being a homosexual now.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            African americans from the asame areas italians inhabit have higher IQ.
            Refering to the US incomes without nothing regional disparity is ludicrous.
            No, of course california does not have the same average income that alabama

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Schizo.

          List of ethnic groups in the United States by household income

          African Americans (Black American): 43,892
          Dominican: 47,170
          Cape Verdean: 54,910
          Haitian: 57,451
          West Indian[a]: 60,997
          Nigerian: 68,658
          Scotch-Irish: 72,745
          German: 75,583
          French: 71,407
          Dutch: 70,872
          Ghanaian: 69,021
          Cajun: 68,383
          Finnish: 77,356
          Hungarian: 77,611
          Irish: 76,036
          German: 75,583
          English: 78,078
          Belgian: 78,355
          Welsh: 77,949
          Finnish: 77,356
          Danish: 79,500
          Scottish: 79,544
          Norwegian: 79,783
          Swedish: 80,228
          Italian: 82,106
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >not regionally diferentiatied

            Actually, adjusting their income for the regions they live in, and compared with the rest of white americans, you get an evidence of them being poorer in average.
            They live in the moat expensive regions of america and barely win 2000$ more in average than americans living in the cheapest states.

            African americans lice in way cheaper states. In the same regions that itlaians they have higher income

            Furthermore italian americans are the product of willing slavery(they arrived as cheap exploitable workforce in slave factory works)

            While african americans are victims of forced slavery.

            Clearing siuthern italians have slave genetics

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
            MAMA MIA IMA RICH

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >assuming a causal link after a correlation analysis
    shaking my head to be honest family

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The "north vs south" Italy meme is outdated, genetically speaking, because Southerners have been immigrating en masse to the north since the 1920s.

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Does cognitive inequality explain economic inequality?
    Yes. It explains it between individuals. It explains it between countries and it explains it within countries.

    Leftoids can't admit to genetic inequality without undermining their entire ideology so they resort to desperate asspulls, just like creationists.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Such studies are pretty much worthless. You have to check out ancestry first, then test people growing up in the same environment. There's obviously a difference in IQ between whites and blacks, but would there be a big gap between South and North Italians under these circumstances? Maybe, maybe not.

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    El salvador? Brazil? lybia!? somalia?!! No, italy

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    North Italians are bred to be free and stand up on their own legs
    South Italians have not had a native leader in their whole history. They are born to be servile farm equipments, the result of centuries of inbreeding, dishonesty and servile ass kissing

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I love how you only see debate over whether or not intelligence is mostly genetic when you bring up differences between europoor groups

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Not true at all, in every thread there are Blackphiles desperate to deboonk hereditarianism

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Not true at all, in every thread there are Blackphiles desperate to deboonk hereditarianism

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >in every thread there are Blackphiles
      true, those are merely israelites LARPing, pathetic

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    what are the implications of this being true?

    would lefties stop pushing for immigration?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >would lefties stop pushing for immigration?
      you're not paying attention, both are playing the same fricking game, wake up, golem

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They'd just sweep it under the rug and continue to push for immigration

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Southern Italy voted for monarchy while north and central Italy voted for r*publicanism. If southerners were so inferior, how do you explain this?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Genetic inclination to servile behaviour.
      Southern italians knew in before that they can't run a country themselves, and as such decided only a monarch could rule them

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        because liberal democracy has been working so well for northern italy, right? (or any country for that matter)

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah. Thats why northern italy is rich and southern italians migrate there as toilet cleaners

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            my cousins all migrate to northern italy to work as teachers lol.

            >the province with Milan has 53.8%
            Pretty decent. The referendum should have been delayed a couple of years, it would have changed the result IMO

            also funny how one of the provinces of piedmonte only got 51%, when they did so well after industrialization. But I guess it makes sense since they were the home of the Italian Savoys.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Historical inclination in any case. Naples and Sicily have been historically monarchies, ancient south italians were ruled by kings while mainland greeks had republics. Then they became a monarchy during Middle-ages and were under Spanish monarchy during modern era.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      intelligence = wealth and m*dernity
      wealth and m*dernity = decadence and degeneracy

      it is an unfortunate side effect of intelligence, obviously the ideal is to have high IQ genetics yet also retain extreme far-right reactionism, it is a kind of brainlet, midwit, genius thing, you climb the mountain only to discover the valley you came from was the best place to be

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        fair enough

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >the province with Milan has 53.8%
      Pretty decent. The referendum should have been delayed a couple of years, it would have changed the result IMO

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      explain what? your finding is perfectly consistent with OP's proposition.
      >captcha: 2MAT0

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >cognitive inequality
    Lmao just say they're stupid you dumb gorilla holy shit I'm dying

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You sound cognitively unequal

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I rephrase the question: has having been colonized/dominated by two different and economically opposing powers and being so far apart, explains the economic inequality?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Southern italy was only dominated because they were low iq to start with

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Prove it, KKK

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No.
    Economic inequality explains cognitive inequality.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Except that doesn't really hold true.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Why do you say that?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It does. North Italians aren't exactly 'northern' or even 'central european'. Most of the Balkans are more northern than them.
        This is the problem with their studies. They don't know enough about population genetics to offer any explanations.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >It does. North Italians aren't exactly 'northern' or even 'central european'. Most of the Balkans are more northern than them.
          Don't conflate 2 different things together, the results are separate from their moronic explanations.
          Does Sicily have an IQ of 90-ish, yes or no? If yes then trying to explain it through bad education is honestly laughable, this doesn't mean it's due to Roman era admixture.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Does Sicily have an IQ of 90-ish
            Actual IQ tests debunk this
            >this doesn't mean it's due to Roman era admixture.
            Ancient Southern Italy is still largerly unsampled, Reichs comments on a recent video seem to imply an origin from the Iron age and not this imperial roman meme. The proponents of these indirect IQ studies have outed themselves multiple times as not having a clear understanding of genetics

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Most of the Balkans are more northern than them.
          Tell me you've never been to Balkans or Italy. Balkaners and Northern Italians are both equally white

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'm talking about genetics. More steppe+EHG ancestry generally.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            They are European in different ways, North Italians have more original farmer ancestry and Balkanites have more North-Eastern Baltic HG and Steppe ancestry.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Probably this. North and South Italians aren't that different genetically. It could be also a recent selection (last 500 years or so).

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They are extremely different genetically. But sure, whatever.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >North and South Italians aren't that different genetically
        They definitely are, more than north Slavs(East+West), more than NW Europeans(from Ireland to Sweden, including the Netherlands, Northern Germany and Denmark) more than Iberia is different internally.

        Why do you say that?

        Just compare large African minorities living in very rich cities such as New York or Chicago, they don't exactly tend to favorably compare in many such tests compared to post-commie Eastern Europeans despite being richer.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          They aren't. All Italians form a genetic cline and have the same ancestry.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            italians have differences but that's not the point, don't fall into these traps of having to prove the homogeneity of italy
            the argument is filled with contradictions and counter examples anyway

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >All Italians form a genetic cline
            All of Europe is in some genetic cline, the question is how "steep" this cline is, which it is definitely steeper in Italy than many other regions in Europe, Northern Italians are closer to Southern French on the other side of the Alps than to Campanians.

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    there are so many inaccuracies and contradictions in the post, you just need to look at europe and the europeans that do worse in these tests are balkaners, and balkaners are whiter than even north italians, let alone southern italians, he justifies this with "north african" admixture in the balkans because he has a knowledge of genetics on par with people from 2002 and thinks e-v13=north african cause e=north african and that haplogroups=admixture or something, when everyone today knows there's 0 north african admixture in the balkans
    south italians have little to no north african admixture too, they have some near eastern admixture, they are similar to ashkenazi israelites, even a bit closer to europe overall, and ashkenazis generally perform the best in these tests
    he's also one of those people that thinks center=north, so he doesn't need to explain why some central italian regions outperform some north italian regions. conclusion: it's pretty weird how a lot of people obsess over some small area of europe

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Given that the difference seems to be between 90 to maybe 105 average IQ, the difference between the highest regions in Central Italy(Tuscany,Marche) and the lowest in Northern Italy is like 5 at most.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        no region in italy score 105, 102 is the most you could find
        according to the invalsi tests that he posted, marche and tuscany(in central italy) outperform almost anyone in northern italy

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >according to the invalsi tests that he posted, marche and tuscany(in central italy) outperform almost anyone in northern italy
          Where are the results?
          >outperform almost anyone in northern italy
          Yeah probably because the main factor is post-Roman, either Southern Italy became dumber for whatever reason or Northern Italy became smarter.
          A lot of things just happen to coincidence, but obviously correlaiton=/=causation, geography is the static element always influencing things like climate, land use, political development, migratory patterns and so one, without any of these things necessarily determining each other.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Where are the results?
            in the blog post that kirkegaard guy posted

            >Most of the Balkans are more northern than them.
            Tell me you've never been to Balkans or Italy. Balkaners and Northern Italians are both equally white

            >Tell me you've never been to Balkans or Italy. Balkaners and Northern Italians are both equally white
            genetically balkaners are whiter than north italians
            north italians are only a little bit whiter than albanians, all other balkaners are whiter than north italians

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    > Northern italy is rich, that proves they're smarter and higher iq
    > But southern italian immigrants to America are richer than northern italians
    > NOOO THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE AMERICA IS A RICHER COUNTRY

    the cope is real.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >NOOO THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE AMERICA IS A RICHER COUNTRY
      Yes and they live in places with higher income within the US where everything also costs more, African-Americans in many US states are richer than Italians, I guess they are smarter than Italians as well?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Right, my point is that being richer than another group does not prove much because economies are complicated. Most members of a society will not contribute equally to an economy, but they will still obtain some of the benefits.
        Of course we can agree that cultural practices can influence the economy, and maybe that's why the economies of various countries behave differently. Maybe even genetics is a factor, but I think it's a bit too much to say, "if a place is richer than another one it's a result of average higher intelligence". This presumes that the average person contributes to the wealth of a country more than they really do.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Italy has been an unified country for 150+ years, there is to some extent a safety net that allows most people to educate themselves even if they have to momentarily move out to do so, yet Southern Italy not only lags behind within Italy without really breaching the gap but it even falls behind countries that started in a worse spot in Eastern Europe.
          The narrative that unification is what caused southern decline is clearly wrong and a tribalistic narrative:
          https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/origins-italian-regional-divide-evidence-real-wages-1861-1913

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >> Northern italy is rich, that proves they're smarter and higher iq
      no one is saying this, it is a strawman you consistently portray as the crux of the Realist argument because a basic observation is a correlation with wealth and intelligence.
      also the example you give is self refuting
      >its all about environment
      >WTF NO LIVING IN A WEALTHY NATION ISNT GOING TO INCREASE YOUR CHANCES OF BEING WEALTHY
      Youve just totally destroyed your own credibility.
      Ok so what makes South Italians in the US wealthy? magic? because evidently the environment doesnt do it otherwise saying "Italian Americans are wealthy because America is a wealthy nation" is perfectly valid.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        southern italians in the US are wealthier on average than "white americans" or anglo-german descent tho
        how would that be possible if they were dumb

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Nigerians in the US are pretty rich, maybe it's not a random sample.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Nigerians in the US are pretty rich, maybe it's not a random sample.
            nigerians are extremely little in number, overall black americans are some of the poorest on average
            we are talking about the entirety of italian americans and anglo-germanic americans, not some limited samples sizes, and italian americans are wealthier than anglo american on average

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Indian Americans are pretty numerous as a group as well.
            >and italian americans are wealthier than anglo american on average
            Barely despite disproportionately living in places with higher costs and despite them being very mixed(I wonder how many people are like DeSantis, fully Italian)

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The majority of Italian american immigrants came before the existence of immigration policies or restrictions that selected for educated immigrants, or had quotas. Like the 1924 immigration act that introduced the requirement of papers. Italian immigrants to the USA were not selected for intelligence, yet they still earn more on average than the average northern european immigrant.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You are assuming only the government could select, maybe self-selection happened in Italy itself with only some people being able to afford the money to emigrate or even be of the right mindset to do it.
            The sentiment for many emigrants at the time was that they wouldn't permanently settle in the US, but that they would work there, become rich and possibly come back.

            I'm not an expert in statistics so I wouldn't be able to tell the exact numbers, but if assume the average IQ in southern Italy is 90-95 what % of Southern Italians would be above 100-105?

            >yet they still earn more on average than the average northern european immigrant.
            Do they earn more than northern European-Americans WITHIN the same state?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Most of them were peasants from rural villages or small cities without any education beyond primary school if they arrived after fascism mandated basic education, or no school at all if they were a child before then. The way many of them got here was by being invited by a relative who was already in America. Originally I think the recruiters came to these towns to advertise immigration in order to sell boat tickets. But immigration costs could have also been paid by their American relatives, it wasn't easy to get cash as a peasant farmer.
            > Do they earn more than northern European-Americans WITHIN the same state?
            Not sure, I haven't seen any stats on that, but the states with the highest percentage of Italians also have the highest math, even higher than the pacific northwest and north central states with 90+% white population.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            highest math scores*

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >There is an aspect of the Italian immigration that must be underlined. In the first intense phase (from 1880 to 1914), four out of five immigrants were males and 50% of them returned to Italy. That means that a large part of them was made of seasonal migrants who did not show interest in integrating into the American society, acquiring citizenship and learning the English language (Vecoli, 2005).
            >For instance, Bodnar et al. (Bodnar, Simon, & Weber, 1982), found that Italian immigrants in the Pittsburgh area in that period were mainly landless peasants or owners of very small agricultural properties; their goal was to make enough money in order to return in Italy and buy land once back in their regions (immigration from Abruzzi prevailed; other important groups were from Sicily, and Calabria).
            >Donna R. Gabaccia (2000) argues that Italian immigrants hardly found full time jobs when they arrived in America. On the west coast, in California, Italian immigrants found some stability as farmers and settlers, growing fruit and starting the California wine industry. At the same time, some of them worked as fishermen in the San Francisco Bay, or in the south, in Tampa, Florida.
            >In the latter city, Italian immigrants were also employed in the cigar industry. Few worked in smaller economic niches as artisans, merchants, shoe repairmen, barbers and waiters. Later, they were more permanently employed in the mines of Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Illinois and other states, or in the garment factories of New York City and Chicago.
            Moar

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >For a long period, the vast majority of Italian immigrants could only find seasonal jobs. During the spring and summer, they constructed buildings, railways, streets, roads and tunnels. Of course, those jobs did not allow permanent settlement, and Italian immigrants would leave the United States in the winter; hence, the Italians entered in the imaginary as “birds of passage” (Gabaccia, 2000). Archdeacon (1983) calculated that 1,137,100 Italians emigrated from United States between 1908 and 1924 out of the 3,820,986 Italian immigrants arrived in the period 1899-1924. The rate of people leaving the United States to go back to their own country was much higher in the Italian ethnic group than in any other ethnic group.
            >John Bodnar (1987) compared Italian immigrants in the city of Buenos Aires, Argentina, and New York City. Italian immigrants in New York were predominantly from southern Italy. They were illiterate and poorer than the ones that went to the Argentina. Indeed, migrant peasants had not money to invest, so they chose New York because they thought that finding temporary unskilled jobs was easier in the northern American city.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Moat italians inhabit the historically industrial regions of america because they arrived as cheap workforce, california and new york being prime examples of this.
            If anything im starting to assume southern italians only work properly under anglo authority and being empliyed by anglos. Because on their own on their native land they clearly start failing.

            Other than that, most italians live in the most expensive states of america, and barely win a 200$ more in average than swedish americans for instance (that live in some of the cheapest states of america on living cost)
            So they are probably poorer in effective ways

            >not regionally diferentiatied

            Actually, adjusting their income for the regions they live in, and compared with the rest of white americans, you get an evidence of them being poorer in average.
            They live in the moat expensive regions of america and barely win 2000$ more in average than americans living in the cheapest states.

            African americans lice in way cheaper states. In the same regions that itlaians they have higher income

            Furthermore italian americans are the product of willing slavery(they arrived as cheap exploitable workforce in slave factory works)

            While african americans are victims of forced slavery.

            Clearing siuthern italians have slave genetics

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >If anything im starting to assume southern italians only work properly under anglo authority and being empliyed by anglos. Because on their own on their native land they clearly start failing.
            Funny because 2000 years ago it was the other way around.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            They still are like that, their French elites were the ones who unified the country and using locals as cannon fodder, created the British Empire.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            On the opposite, that very study you posted states that in 200 or 300 years the norman lost over 80% of their priviledge over the local population.

            >Clark notes that many surnames in the medieval period indicated the bearer's occupation such as mason, carpenter or baker. Those bearing the surname "Smith", for example, were chiefly descended from the simple village blacksmiths that emerged in the middle of the 14th century.

            >Strikingly, by 1450 the share of "Smiths" at Oxford University, the entry for those wishing to rise to the highest positions in the church and therefore a key indicator of social achievement, was equal to their proportion across the general population.

            >And by 1650 there were as many "Smiths" in the top 1% of wealth holders as in the general population, suggesting they had been completely assimilated into the elite.
            >families such as the Darcys drew their names from the Normandy towns and villages from where they originally came.

            >His research suggests that by the 13th century these surnames were on average eight times as common at Oxford university as in the general population. >However, by the early 15th century such names were only twice as common at the university as in the general population, suggesting many wealthy families were unable to sustain their privileged position during the period

            Italians however were only ruled by lombards, Normans, and

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            2000 years ago there was no anglos.
            Nor south italians for this matter (anyway, the italians that came in contact with england were iron age ones, republican), as they are imperial mutts whose ethnogenesis was properly finished by the late antiquity.

            Anyway, what has rome produced ever? Nothing, a primitive failed state, what has england produced under its own? The entire world conquered, the first human touching the moon, and the machine we are using to chat right now, to the food that nourished you since you were born,the factories used to package it and the plastics enveloping it, together with the vehicles used to transport it and the refrigators and electricity used to keep it.

            There is nothing suggesting italians have any genetic capacity when anglos outperformed them in a blink, the opposite, it makes clear that even having the resources (literacy, mudwalls, mudbridges, etc) with anticipation southern italians still underperform anglos.
            This can only be explained by low iq.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Nor south italians for this matter
            moronic comment, stopped reading there

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            how's the weather in buenos aires?
            will you ever stop with your ramblings?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Anyway, what has rome produced ever
            try open a book (Roman invention)

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            They still earn less than your average austrian, russian, lithuanian, latvian or slovene american. We don't know if the sample accounts for recent migrants or not, or if accounts for them in the same region, black people from new york also earns more than italians.

            Slavs are not the apex of intellect if you ask me. Thus, im inclinated for regional bias

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            yeah they earn less than austrians and swiss, but more than anglos, germans, norwegians, etc. Also idk about lithuanians, latvians or slovenes but I would assumes their immigration was more recent, in that case they should be expected to have higher salary due to being skilled immigrants of middle class background, rather than the 19th - early 20th century immigrants who were all unskilled lower-class immigrants

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Lithuanian, slovene, austrian, swiss and latvian immigration dates to the late XIX century.
            Its interesting how low the average italian american (who are in fact mutted larpers full of other ancestries) wage is compared to other white americans with wider regional distribution
            For instance we know the midwest has a lower cost of living but americans from the midwest earn basically 200 dollars less a month than italian americans, living in the states with the highest cost of living (coastal).

            Other thing i note is that basing ourselves in the new worlder italians, those living withiut anglo administration or places with potential anglo admixture (argentina/uruguay/brasil) only produce failed states extremely empoverished with incomes 10 times loqer than those in america.
            How does this ad up? Low iq is the only explaination

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >austrian, russian, lithuanian, latvian or slovene american.

            90% of them are israelites.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            do you have a source or is it an asspull?
            I can go ahead and say this
            >90% of irlaian americans of high economic income are larping irish americans with a great great great italian grandparent

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            There are no statistics but USA has like eight millions of israelites, so it's safe to assume that they are overrepresented among Russian, Polish, Lithuanian, etc... Americans.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            This is funny. The only "Europeans" who are richer than the Italians in USA are the ones coming from countries which used to host large numbers of israelites. Meanwhile Germanics like the English or the Dutch are halfway between Blacks and the Italians when it comes to average income. KeK

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Campania which was one of the richest parts of Italy from the 1600s to the 1800s is the poorest one now

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The smartest Italians from the south all left to US, Canada, and Australia. This is known.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It’s known that Anatolian admixture = lower IQ, something ethnics simply can’t accept and desperately fight against to save face.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If that was the case North Italians shouldn't be smart. Same with French or Swiss.
        East Slavs should be smarter than Western Europeans.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        north italians have a bit more anatolian farmer than south italians, spaniards and south french have about the same and they have good scores in these tests, northwest europeans have more anatolian admixture than eastern europeans and more than most non europeans. ashkenazi israelites have anatolian farmer admixture in significant amount too
        your view of the world is very simplistic

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >your view of the world is very simplistic
          The guy is a ukranian israelite living in Argentina, or from his followers circle

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It’s not simplistic, it’s parsimonious because it’s true, and because no evidence has yet falsified it.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            East Slavs, Balkanites, Balts - lower IQ despite having less farmer ancestry than West Europeans/West Mediterraneans.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >ast Slavs, Balkanites, Balts - lower IQ
            ?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            They perform worse at all kind of tests.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Balkanites maybe, not East Slavs or Balts

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            east slavs and balts performed worse in the 90s' datasets used by richard lynn to peddle his muh iq hypothesis

            then lo and behold, eastern europe got dug out of poverty by ERDF and their scores across the board improved. almost like educational attainment by poorgay, delinquent students who don't give a frick and have bigger things to worry about is a poor predictor of genotypical intelligence

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >east slavs and balts performed worse in the 90s' datasets used by richard lynn to peddle his muh iq hypothesis
            example?
            >almost like educational attainment by poorgay, delinquent students who don't give a frick and have bigger things to worry about is a poor predictor of genotypical intelligence
            Chicken
            egg

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Chicken
            >egg
            yes, exactly, you fricking moron. indirect measures of IQ are a piss poor measure of IQ. you've built an entire worldview on garbage input data.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Even extremely basic tests like wordsum are correlated with results of IQ tests.
            When will South Italy match North Italy? When North Italy becomes 50% non-Italian?
            Come the frick on, you literally argued that the Slavs reversed the effect of fricking communism in 2-3 decades and south Italians can't?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            why not just use iq tests instead of indirect tests?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >sample size n=20
            Ok

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            only estonians have northwestern european levels in these tests

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Norway doesn't have "northwestern european level" rankings while Poland does. Are you moronic on purpose or were you born this way?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            poles are west slavs

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Ppsting pisa that sums maths and reading as ones is not very effective imo.
            I'd rather let reading as the least relevant denominator compared to maths and sciences

            Pic is better imo

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Why are italy and greece so bad in maths and science? They are latin american tier

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            North Italy is top tier at math. I remember a map showing native scores from math and North Italians were at the top of Europe.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >native scores
            pisa testing does not make differences on ethnic origins, it measures academic results overall

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            and you can see how italy in math is above countries that are whiter than north italians, like: belarus, hungary, lithuania, luxembourg, ukraine, slovakia, serbia, romania, moldova, monteBlack, bulgaria, macedonia, croatia
            overall i can't a strong correlation between whiteness and scores in math by looking at this chart

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >It’s not simplistic
            it's simplistic and patently wrong, anatolian farmer admixture is more present in northern than in southern italy, so this whole argument shouldn't exist because north italians should be dumber
            ashkenazi israelites, iberians, french, swiss, austrians and germans have a lot of anatolian farmer admixture, more than most non europeans, they should be actual morons according to you

  38. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Target: Bosnian
    Distance: 4.3606% / 0.04360639
    46.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    45.2 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
    8.6 WHG

    Target: Serbian
    Distance: 4.0024% / 0.04002443
    48.6 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
    44.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    7.0 WHG

    Target: Italian_Lombardy
    Distance: 2.6718% / 0.02671810
    61.6 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
    33.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    5.0 WHG

    So why aren't Balkan Slavs smarter and richer than Italians?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      you could do the same with slovakians/poles and south french, slovakians/poles are significantly whiter than south french but they lag behind
      you can really find a ton of examples in europe

  39. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Can you even exclude southern-descendants living in the North from Invalsi tests? Or even immigrants? If no then the gap would even bigger, lol

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      the gap would be smaller since all those 200iq terrone working in the north would be counted toward the south

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Kinda of a good point but we can't tell if the amount of >100IQ South Italians would outweigh the amount of <100IQ South Italians or immigrants, I guess one could compare large urban areas with historical southern immigration with ones with less.

  40. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Target: Sicilian_East
    Distance: 2.5131% / 0.02513134
    47.0 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
    24.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    17.4 Levant_PPNB
    6.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    4.0 GEO_CHG
    1.0 WHG

    Target: Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
    Distance: 2.3480% / 0.02348033
    57.6 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
    34.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    8.2 WHG

    Whoa, they are basically the same people! lol

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      they're both farmcucks, what's your point?

  41. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    GUIDO MAHONEY

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      IL PAZZO STA SPAMMANDO

  42. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    IQ lines up with every social metric and no one has yet to debunk its effects, demonstrate that it’s just correlation or prove it isn’t genetic. Regardless of what anyone says the simplest answer with the most amount of evidence is that some people are moronic.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >the simplest answer with the most amount of evidence

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Not an argument. Posting memes is an admission of incomprehension.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Perhaps Reddit would be more your style, friendo

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Decades of research debunked with one meme. Nice one anon.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >DEBOONKED

  43. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'd wager its the other way around. If there's no economic opportunity worth talking about there's no incentive to develop a culture where high intellectual effort is valued and developed.

  44. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    North Italy basically appoints mayors and politicians in South Italy and hypocritically calls it a policy against corruption - while those mayors get caught for doing corruption all the time.

  45. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The existence of Americans (prosperous but moronic) debunks this hypothesis.

  46. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    TOTAL ITALIAN UNIFICATION

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      As a Romanian I resent that Padania flag shit because they stole our folk symbol.

  47. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Balkans
    >literally Africa tier

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This is a proof that difference in IQ is due to socio-economic factors or very recent selection.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        How so? When have balkans ever been smart? Or do you mean nordcucks scoring higher for now but being useless in the past?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >central italians score as much as the french and icelandics and more than iberians/portugal/croatia/hungary/romania/moldova/ukraine/belarus/slovakia/serbia/monteBlack/macedonia/bulgaria/bosnia/lithuania despite being less white
      woah, 100% correlation between whiteness and intelligence

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        or north italians themselves scoring more than germans and anglos and scandis and french and belgians and irish despite being less white than literally all all of them regardless of region

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >north italy scores more than countries with over 30% foreign populations in schools
          this may come out a shocker but...

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            the cope rolls in ladies and gentlemen

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >comparing france and finland is fair
            lol, on the opposite, is insane how north italians barely score a bit above immigrant infested countries and below the moroccan shithole from the netherlands let alone estonia and poland

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Estonia did better than any other European country, Poland better than most Westerners. Even if including only native scores. You can actually calculate this.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Poles will rule Europe after Black folk take over the West.

  48. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Interesting. This is the polygenic score for cognitive ability from the same work

    Apparently Northeastern Italians (R1b-u152 poor, basically Germanized Preslavic Paleo-Balkanites) are genetically dumber than terroni lmao, they punch above their weight on pisa tests and productivity and every other metric by virtue of sheer autismo and cultural pressure to study and work hard like a slave indian animal and have no hobbies outside work and die in the capannoni, fair play to them, this is what a good environment and work-centered culture would do to terroni, but hey thats probably genetical too

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This is how Tuscans compare to other races

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        holy shit why are finns so superior

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They should focus on this stuff more. It will probably largely explain the difference in IQ between populations.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >central italian tuscans above germanic americans and brits
        650% correlation between intelligence and whiteness

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >finns extremely above italians

          yes

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe because of their East Asian genes. But this is kind of random. Finns are basically on the level of Japanese, but they are obviously more related to all Europeans than to any East Asians.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            turks are basically italians with 10% asian genes (chunk higher than finns)
            how come they score so low?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        North italians have that trait that makes them high iq asian tier turbo autists, kek

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >genetically dumber than terroni
      That's not what the graph shows.

  49. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    > mememap showing italians are divided
    vs.
    > reality

  50. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This is the polygenic score for height.
    This just adds confirmations that NE Italians are basically Balkanites in origin and have a different ethnogenesis from NW Italians, they could be significantly taller than Germanics with a good diet

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Dinaric height is likely a post Slavic migration phenomenon, otherwise there is no obvious way to explain Albania vs MonteBlack in terms of height.

  51. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    AFAIK most Italo-Californians are from the North

  52. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    where does the gdp per capita data for each sub-group come from?

  53. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Dunning-Kruger board
    Did the English Heptarchy have high IQ scores?

  54. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >finnish are rich
    >finnland has no favelas
    >finn and estonians have the higest pisa scores on europe
    >finns and estonians have the highest iq
    >finns have the highest polygenic scores for different works over other europeans
    the only thing this thread made me realize is that the finnish race is the master race

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >fingols and estonia were nonexistent shitholes until 1950

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >inexistent asiatic communist shitholes formed 60 years ago have higher intelectual capacity than the 4000 years old italy
        i don't know if this speaks wonders of them or terribly of the rest of europe

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >he doesn't knows about the hyperwar era finland

  55. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    AMO TUTTI I MIEI AMICI ITALIANI
    (sì, anche tu)

  56. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >italians live in the most expensive cities on the country yet in average tend to receive only 2% more than your average suburban white american living in a small town with low costs.

    And they say italians are not prone to live like favelados lol
    This homies be living in new york with the same money a swede lives in a small town from wisconsin lmao

    They must be eating rocks to survive

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Do these GDP figures even account for overlap between Italian Americans and other ethnicities?
      >We have followed the largest of the late-nineteenth century immigrant groups over the course of nearly a century, through four
      generations. We have seen that while intermarriage rates were very low in the immigrant generation, these rates were high in both thesecond and third generations, so high that already in the third generation the children of unmixed origin were a minority of all grandchildren of Italian immigrants, and by the fourth generation, children of unmixed origins were less than a tenth of all great-grandchildren of Italian immigrants.
      https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/79198/1/468505385.pdf
      Like how Italian are most Italian-Americans really?

  57. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Someone give me a tldr of this thread. Has anyone refuted Kirkegaard's study?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No

  58. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The south was occupied by the spaniards. Everything they have ever touched turned into a shithole
    Simple. As.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      frick off, argentinian shitter
      stop larping as south italian, north italian or spaniard

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Cope.

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