Does cognitive inequality explain economic inequality?
Does cognitive inequality explain economic inequality?
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I doubt it.
purely touristic factors
It doesn't since southern italians that moved to the US tend to be more wealthy than northern italians that stayed in Italy.
That's because the US itself is a richer country
Also there is no reason to believe that the Southern Italians that emigrated were a random sample.
50% of the wops who came over here went back to Italy when they realized the US wasn't a perfect paradise
Italian-Americans have been filtered of the least competent
>50% of the wops who came over here went back to Italy when they realized the US wasn't a perfect paradise
Welfare and its consequence have been a disaster for immigration
Italian Americans are richer than German, Swedish, Dutch and Norwegian Americans.
This doesn't change what I said.
Blacks in New York City earn more than the average Italians as well.
>being poorer than latvian, russian and lithuanian americans
Expalined easily by the regions they inhabit being hiatorically richer.
When italian american migrated to america they migrated as cheap worforce to the richest industrious areas (new york, california), this areas have always been richer than other areas. As such the median income is higher. The cost of living too probably
Doesn't proves much.
Russians are not very smart
"Russians" in the USA are israelites.
This some hard cope. Irish, French and Dutch Americans also live in industrial cities like New York and Chicago, but they still are halfway between Italian Americans and African Americans when it comes to income.
>Irish, French and Dutch Americans also live in industrial cities like New York and Chicago
they are not halfway, read the definition of HALF, and no, frrench, irish and dutch americans are heavily distributed aarround the midwest and south.
french are well known to have their biggest communities on the south for instance, italians are almost entirely in new york and california
>That fake map
This is the official map from the US government. Biggest cluster of Dutch, Irish and French Americans are around industrial center like Great lakes region, New York, California, Florida etc...
>Tons of Italians in the western regions
How will they cope now? Aren't they supposed to live in New York? KeK
cope about what?
most of the population is statistically clearly in new york, new jersey, colorado, connecticut, massachusetts, california and rhode island
precisely the most expensive regions in whole america
Stop posting shit self reported ethnicity census maps. Use maps based on historical census data, not modern self reported data, which is notorious for being incorrect. This is much more accurate map based off historical census records. Most Mexicans are 2/3 Spanish, so they have been listed as Spanish.
now compare this to the scandinavian american population, they own 2000 dollars less a year than italians from new york while living in states with a cost of living half of expensive, overall italian americans are poorer
new jersey has a cost of living 15% higher than the average of america
New york 26% higher than the average in america
and minessota (where scandinavian americans are) has a cost of living 1% average than the average in america
however italian americans only own a 2,8% more than swedish americans, which translates in them being on average a 12% to 22% poorer
What the hell are you talking about, you stupid mutt? Most Scandinavian Americans live in California and in the Great lakes regions.
>wisconsin 4% lower than the national average
>minnesota 1% lower than the national average
>illinois 6% lower than the national average
>utah is on the national average
>michigan 10% lower than the national average
>Iowa 10% lower than the national average
point in case nagger, like 70% of them live in places way below the national average in cost of living
>Germanic settlements turn out to be shitholes
>Italian build cities like New York
>Somehow this is supposed to be a good point for Germanics
The absolute state. You sound like those Chinese GDP PPP copers. Accept your inferiory and move on.
New York already had 2 million people and was the 3rd largest city in the world in 1880.
>Italian build cities
New york was always rich you dumb nagger, thats the exact reason italians mgirated there, just like naggers on the bronx italians were just imported to urban industrial cities to work as cheap labour.
Italians are literally slaves while germanic settlers arrived america as settlers that developed from scratch rural areas into towns
And just like naggers italians are extremely poor in relation the urban cost of living.
Not for the germanic americans.
They live and earn more than enough for them
While italians arrived as farming equipment for the anglo industrial overlords in america
Only gives a point on italians having slave genetics
Countries ran by italio-spaniard mutts (uruguay/argentina) are third world shitholes poorer than atlanta
Stay out of this argument, you filthy schizo Bolivian tranny. I can spot your stink from a mile.
This argument is entirely of mine you stupid farming equipment
No it’s because Americans use to kick out undesirables. Ones that couldn’t make a living moved back to south Italy. South Italy has been brain drained quite a lot.
Kirkegaard is a hack who doesn't know what he's talking about. They want to talk about genetics but don't know anything about the topic.
>his is of course what hereditarians were always saying based on various indicators of ancestry which show North African admixture in the south.
Retarded sentences like this only prove they are completely clueless about the topic. North African ancestry in South Itali is minimal. It's much higher in Iberia, but Spanish and Portuguese perform better at all those PISA tests compared to South Italians.
It's actually quite annoying that this bufoon writes about something he clearly doesn't understand.
>Finally, we have some more exciting results using ancient genomes in the works. Stay tuned!
Oh boy, this will be good. They will probably test like 5 samples and came up with some retarded conclusion.
It's funny how this homosexual hates Africa, though. South Italians are like 80% East Med, but it's the 2% North African ancestry that's the biggest problem to him, lol.
Richard Lynn and his croonies are retarded. Southern Italians are genetically much more European than Maltese and Ashkenazi israelites, who have a measured average IQ of 97 and 110 respectively but for some reason Sicilians must have an average IQ of 90 because of 2% NAFRI admixure.
Why would Malta be so different from Sicily given they are so close?
Genetically? Because of non-European admixture in Maltese.
But Sicily and Malta are pretty close
Sardinia and Italy are also close but Sardinians are its own thing.
Sicilians are far closer to Maltese than Sardinians are to Corsicans I believe
Is it really all that different?
Last time I heard about it they were about roughly the same. Only difference was that maltese spoke a dialect of arabic.
Who am I kidding its not really arabic anymore.
Maltese have more Nafri and Near Eastern admixture but like Sicilians can be pretty much described as 3/4 Maltese and 1/4 Tuscan, hardly that far from them.
More North African admixture in Malta. Sicilians also aren't the same, West and East Sicilian samples are quite different.
Both are mostly East Meds.
Maybe the results are true while the explanation is off.
The results are true. They are confirmed by PISA. Their explanations are retarded. Every time.
It's astounding that this kind of moronic stuff can be published in 2022.
While Near Eastern admixture could be a factor it could also be everything that happened since the fall of Rome
>North African ancestry in South Itali is minimal
Model them yourself.
how to learn sir?
No. That's an excuse used by the powerful.
Who are the powerful?
Those with power and control.
And those are?
Do you want a list of names and addresses?
Sounds like a request for doxxing
Where did you see powerful people use hereditarianism as an excuse?
It's the go-to explanation for poverty and other social issues: it's inborn and the fault of the poor, so we the wealthy and influential have no responsibility. It's a sort of Calvinist approach that was common in the Anglosphere in the early industrial era and has made a comeback in recent decades.
Not true. The powers that be are liberal. Hereditarian ideas are promulgated only on obscure Internet spaces
I want you to give an answer less vague than waving your hand and saying "it's the powerful." Is every rich person a part of the powerful? Is every politician? Is every CEO? What is their political affiliation? Do they permeate every political paradigm?
Saying "the powerful" is like one step below saying "the devil." It’s a nothing answer that gives no clarification whatsoever.
>below saying "the devil."
I am, nice to meet you
Wakanda will never ever exist
You will never have a functional civilisation
Wakanda will never exist
Isn't Kirkegaard a LARPer and a fraud?
>A new study confirms Sicilians have an average IQ of 92
>It's behing a paywall and you need to pay $212.00 to see it
Dude was really afraid people would quickly demolish him.
holy cope homosexual
Lol, yeah, all that Near Eastern and North African ancestry in South Italy and Sardinia. Lynn is a dumb homosexual who knows nothing about history or population genetics.
The retard actually mentions Y-DNA and claims that Serbia is half Near Eastern.
I'm guessing it's because of E-V13 and J2b?
lmao, retard shitskin posting retarded shitskin studies
the whole thing is laughable. based on INVALSI which is a joke at worst and nothing close to an IQ test at best.
sorry ahmed, you will never be human
Stop being racist
I still remember when Lynn was arguing the MENA admix was from E-v13. PISA is a shitty tool since there's a massive educational disparity between "grammar" schools and "technical" schools in the south
They argued that haplogroups predict IQ or something, while using Eupedia maps and eupedia info (R1b coming with farmers).
Isnt North Italy just great as a region while the Southern regions are mountainous bullshit that produces shit crops?
Can easily be explained by genetics.
Southern italians are descended from slaves of the so called breadbasket of a empore.
Not different at all from the african american farming equipment.
All the more italy and greece show very similar results in pisa MATH scores to latin american and middle eastern countries.
It is not rocket science that southern italians are genetically conditioned to corrupt behaviour.
Places were they went unleashed like argentina and their very country are full of mafias, favelas, poverty, dysfunctional economies, corruption, etc.
There si no reason to asume they have any kind of genetical potential above subsaharan africans
Argentinian Italians are like half North half South
Where are these genes then?
It's probably more recent than that. Look at israelites, they cluster with Sicilians and Maltese and are the smartest people on the planet.
North Italians, Swiss and Dutch perform very well at PISA math tests. All three have banking/trading history.
It could be something that happened between 400 and 1300
israeli people does not "cluster" really. They have suffered a bottleneck so they have the traits of an insularized population (very divergent)
Of course this is not displayed on a tridimentional pca with the lower PCs diluted.
They are descended from a founder effect of 200 persons and subjected to high trait selection over 1200 on a hostile enviroment (christian europe).
I don't expect them to have similar cognitive capacity to other humans in general
>In a 2010 article about IQ in Italy, Lynn contended that IQs are highest in the north (103 in Friuli-Venezia Giulia) and lowest in the south (89 in Sicily) and are correlated with average incomes, stature, infant mortality, literacy and education. The lack of any actual IQ test data (as Lynn used PISA score data) among other methodological issues and Lynn's consequent conclusions were criticised. Other large surveys in Italy have found much smaller differences in educational achievement. Several subsequent studies based on the direct assessment of IQs failed to report significant differences among Italian regions. On the contrary, the results from the Southern half of the country (103) are sometimes higher than those from the North Central regions (100–101).
Italy is below plenty of african countries in math scores.
The only African countries doing PISA tests are Tunisia and Algeria, animal.
PISA tests are bullshit and 90% of countries cheat on them. You have to be crazy to believe that Poles and Estonians are intelligent because of PISA test, since their scientific achievements are basically zero.
Estonia is pretty small and before WW1 it was pretty rural
Isn't there like... 1 million estonians? I don't expect them to lead sciencies if you understand what i mean. Southern italians are what, 25 million maybe?
They can't even run their regions with the gibs from the EU and the north of italy.
Is easily explaines genetically
More like 15 millions of Southern Italians and Estonians get hundreds of billions of EU gibz.
But estoniasn effectively run their country on their own and are a developing economy ran with a mere population of 1 million being estonia a post--soviet state.
In the meanwhile southern italy is extremely corrupt and can't run itself despite having the manpower to do so, southern italy is so corrupt and inefficient it self-sabotages over and over. it is more than evident cause is genetic
Italy has issues with things like organized crime, unemployment, and corruption but it's still a first world country. The worst days in terms of corruption and mafia violence were years ago, in the 80s and early 90s.
First world countries do not look like this.
Motherfucker thinks the other countries in the first world don't have poor areas. Ever been in the UK outside resort town?
Other countries on the first world definitely do not have entire areas that look like this
It is somalia tier.
Have you ever been to fucking paris you gay nagger? Paris looks like this including the somali naggers.
Thw theory of you being south american is reiforced by your absolute lack of knowledge of european cities.
But the problem is that southern italy barely has foreigners in it.
Ita mostly locals living like this.
Parisians don't live like this, the african migrants do.
Southernn italy is 3rd world favela.
Visit a fully white council housing scheme in the uk and see how first world it looks.
Definitely not like a decaying favela.
Live your myth in Essex
>a single house (it can boil down entirely to a single individual personal conditions like dyogenes syndrome) vs entire regions and apartment complexes (it can only run down to an entire population being genetically disposed to shitholeness)
The next two houses look normal btw
>subhuman third worlder thinks that first world countries are utopias where everyone is rich
many such cases
This kind of third worldness shitholeness is nowhere to be found in the first world
you've never even left your favela, how would you know?
All favelas are full of talians
In brazil, argentina and other countries known for favelas the favelado population are mostly ghetto italians devolved into their autonomous rule
i dont care about your third world shithole, has nothing to do with anything
But enough about southern italy
Yep, this picture here must be in somalia, the people here must be worse than central african naggers.
It's obviously in sicily I'm sure you can tell.
this looks significantly better than white trash shitholes in america
Yes, this must obviously be morocco.
Look at how run down everything is. The people here must be north african chimpanzees, at least.
even first world countries have poor white areas you retarded thirdie
That's the point I'm trying to prove, anon.
Oh no it's not the worst I can get I was just going easy on you. Where might this be? Colombia? paraguay?
>the worst you can get in the UK are a bunch of apartment complexes with....uh...
Point in case, even your own pics show them being individual hoses because all the bad houses have good looking ones next to them
Nothing suggests italy or your country, spain, are not third worlder shitholes.
Where is this, mexico?
could use a lick of paint but relatively better than accommodation for the lowest incomes in the developed world
>the worst pakistani slums (one is not even a slum but a parking lot lmao) on the first world look better than the average italian street
Why are italians so thirdie? Low iq explains it?
why are british so thirdie also, arw they north african too? We need to reserach more into this.
>a abandoned pottery factory looks lime a abandoned building
Lol you are not making a point by posting this jose
>Posts a ghetto full of somalians.
>This is supposed to prove south italy as inhabited by italians is a shithole because gaucho magic.
Ok ok I'm sorry last (you)
???those are regular italians. They look like that
It's actually in Greece and the people are Arabs (you can guess it from the signs).
Is this in ciudad de mexico?
>The uk has grassfields heh. Gotcha! Italy is not brazil!
Wtf this looks like my old house in ethiopia.
I didn't knew italy was so poor
You are mentally etarded and this boring now.
Fix your mental neurosis with the fourth shore of north africa your singleminded spamming for no one in particular is very annoying.
Lmao there are places in the UK and US that look worse than this.
They all died in farms and mines. Southern Italians derive mostly from Greeks and Ashkenazis are a more MENA version of them.
>If we accept Galton's reasoning, Ancient Greeks had the highest mean IQ of any human population, something like 120 or 125. By comparison, Ashkenazi israelites have an estimated mean IQ of 110. But was Galton right? His calculations were criticized at the time, specifically for underestimating the number of Athenian citizens. He consequently revised his calculation downward to 1.5 grades higher, i.e., a mean IQ of 115 to 119 (Challis 2013, p. 56).
Southern italy was known as the breadkbasket of the empire. Their population was most definitely composed of serfs and slaves working on plantations not different to african americans.
Their population reflexes this genetic limitation
On the meanwhile sshkenazi israelites are descended from an elite group (probably traders) selectively bred over 1700 years aftwr a founding effect, similar reason they are lighter pigmented than anyone in southenr europe.
High IQ does not reflex in other israelites either for that reason.
Southern italians however are not selected for any trait. They are just in their natural african-like state
Here we go with the argie tranny having a seizure after dilating his manhole. KEK
>They all died in farms and mines
Demographically impossible without a rapidly growing source population
Thw population of 18th and 19th netury was quitw stagnant. This however did not stop the slave madters of sak t dominque to work their slaves to death and importing more.
Of 18th 19th century africa I mean.
Yes I phonepost kys.
The African population grew after the Columbian exchange introduced maize and other crops. Otherwise the continent would have been depopulated, at least far more than it was.
Lol sure literally millions of slaves in antiquity had no impact bro!!! They all died n shit xD!
A lot of slaves became LIBERTI (freedmen) and LIBERTI thrived and got extremely rich and held prestotious positions
Admixture studies finished the debate years ago (by the admission of environmental researchers themselves, who are more qualified than anyone here to an opinion), IQ is 80% heritable and increases with European and East Asian admixture
And the consensus is exactly what I’ve said
That's the opposite of a consensus.
Most researchers agree on IQ being mostly heritable. Anyway, any answers at 0% can be ignored (because it’s physically impossible).
(You) sure love weasel words
Most = consensus
Two more weeks
>increases with European and East Asian admixture
>Ethnic Kazakhs obtained a mean British IQ of 82.2, ethnic Russians obtained a mean British IQ of 103.2, and ethnic Uzbeks obtained a mean British IQ of 86.0.
Lynn's data. Why a mix of Sintashta Aryans and East Asians have IQ lower than American blacks?
Kazakh and uzbeks are churka X mongolian mutts.
Not to compare with for instance japanese X french mutts.
Pure East Asian. Kazakhs are mostly Sintashta+Mongolia with minor Irania admixture.
Mongolians are north asians.
Tajiks are more related to swedes than mongolians to koreans
It would be interesting to compare 2 genetically similar group differentiated by whether they farm or are pastoralists.
Telling a guy with a life changing TBI that IQ is 80% heritable
It could be that IQ was similar from Gaul to the Levant(or even higher in the Levant) during the Roman period and that differences arose later.
Cognitive inequality doesn't exist chud, some one needs to threaten this man's lively hood
Is this the new euphemism for no-go zones?
There is 0 (zero) reasons to believe douthern italians have any genetic capacity for intelectual work above subsaharan africans. Specially above african americans
Now this ia just your neurosis coming to full display. Come on bro.
African americans have higher achievement, income, IQ, and proved a superior development capacity over southern italians
There is literally no reason to believe southern italians are any better than them, but the opposite. Let alone to anglos or japanese or germans or chinese or french.
Southern italians in the US have higher incomes than african americans. You just being a homosexual now.
African americans from the asame areas italians inhabit have higher IQ.
Refering to the US incomes without nothing regional disparity is ludicrous.
No, of course california does not have the same average income that alabama
List of ethnic groups in the United States by household income
African Americans (Black American): 43,892
Cape Verdean: 54,910
West Indian[a]: 60,997
>not regionally diferentiatied
Actually, adjusting their income for the regions they live in, and compared with the rest of white americans, you get an evidence of them being poorer in average.
They live in the moat expensive regions of america and barely win 2000$ more in average than americans living in the cheapest states.
African americans lice in way cheaper states. In the same regions that itlaians they have higher income
Furthermore italian americans are the product of willing slavery(they arrived as cheap exploitable workforce in slave factory works)
While african americans are victims of forced slavery.
Clearing siuthern italians have slave genetics
MAMA MIA IMA RICH
>assuming a causal link after a correlation analysis
shaking my head to be honest family
The "north vs south" Italy meme is outdated, genetically speaking, because Southerners have been immigrating en masse to the north since the 1920s.
>Does cognitive inequality explain economic inequality?
Yes. It explains it between individuals. It explains it between countries and it explains it within countries.
Leftoids can't admit to genetic inequality without undermining their entire ideology so they resort to desperate asspulls, just like creationists.
Such studies are pretty much worthless. You have to check out ancestry first, then test people growing up in the same environment. There's obviously a difference in IQ between whites and blacks, but would there be a big gap between South and North Italians under these circumstances? Maybe, maybe not.
El salvador? Brazil? lybia!? somalia?!! No, italy
North Italians are bred to be free and stand up on their own legs
South Italians have not had a native leader in their whole history. They are born to be servile farm equipments, the result of centuries of inbreeding, dishonesty and servile ass kissing
I love how you only see debate over whether or not intelligence is mostly genetic when you bring up differences between europoor groups
Not true at all, in every thread there are negrophiles desperate to deboonk hereditarianism
>Not true at all, in every thread there are negrophiles desperate to deboonk hereditarianism
>in every thread there are negrophiles
true, those are merely israelites LARPing, pathetic
what are the implications of this being true?
would lefties stop pushing for immigration?
>would lefties stop pushing for immigration?
you're not paying attention, both are playing the same fucking game, wake up, golem
They'd just sweep it under the rug and continue to push for immigration
Southern Italy voted for monarchy while north and central Italy voted for r*publicanism. If southerners were so inferior, how do you explain this?
Genetic inclination to servile behaviour.
Southern italians knew in before that they can't run a country themselves, and as such decided only a monarch could rule them
because liberal democracy has been working so well for northern italy, right? (or any country for that matter)
Yeah. Thats why northern italy is rich and southern italians migrate there as toilet cleaners
my cousins all migrate to northern italy to work as teachers lol.
also funny how one of the provinces of piedmonte only got 51%, when they did so well after industrialization. But I guess it makes sense since they were the home of the Italian Savoys.
Historical inclination in any case. Naples and Sicily have been historically monarchies, ancient south italians were ruled by kings while mainland greeks had republics. Then they became a monarchy during Middle-ages and were under Spanish monarchy during modern era.
intelligence = wealth and m*dernity
wealth and m*dernity = decadence and degeneracy
it is an unfortunate side effect of intelligence, obviously the ideal is to have high IQ genetics yet also retain extreme far-right reactionism, it is a kind of brainlet, midwit, genius thing, you climb the mountain only to discover the valley you came from was the best place to be
>the province with Milan has 53.8%
Pretty decent. The referendum should have been delayed a couple of years, it would have changed the result IMO
explain what? your finding is perfectly consistent with OP's proposition.
Lmao just say they're stupid you dumb gorilla holy shit I'm dying
You sound cognitively unequal
I rephrase the question: has having been colonized/dominated by two different and economically opposing powers and being so far apart, explains the economic inequality?
Southern italy was only dominated because they were low iq to start with
Prove it, KKK
Economic inequality explains cognitive inequality.
Except that doesn't really hold true.
Why do you say that?
It does. North Italians aren't exactly 'northern' or even 'central european'. Most of the Balkans are more northern than them.
This is the problem with their studies. They don't know enough about population genetics to offer any explanations.
>It does. North Italians aren't exactly 'northern' or even 'central european'. Most of the Balkans are more northern than them.
Don't conflate 2 different things together, the results are separate from their retarded explanations.
Does Sicily have an IQ of 90-ish, yes or no? If yes then trying to explain it through bad education is honestly laughable, this doesn't mean it's due to Roman era admixture.
>Does Sicily have an IQ of 90-ish
Actual IQ tests debunk this
>this doesn't mean it's due to Roman era admixture.
Ancient Southern Italy is still largerly unsampled, Reichs comments on a recent video seem to imply an origin from the Iron age and not this imperial roman meme. The proponents of these indirect IQ studies have outed themselves multiple times as not having a clear understanding of genetics
>Most of the Balkans are more northern than them.
Tell me you've never been to Balkans or Italy. Balkaners and Northern Italians are both equally white
I'm talking about genetics. More steppe+EHG ancestry generally.
They are European in different ways, North Italians have more original farmer ancestry and Balkanites have more North-Eastern Baltic HG and Steppe ancestry.
Probably this. North and South Italians aren't that different genetically. It could be also a recent selection (last 500 years or so).
They are extremely different genetically. But sure, whatever.
>North and South Italians aren't that different genetically
They definitely are, more than north Slavs(East+West), more than NW Europeans(from Ireland to Sweden, including the Netherlands, Northern Germany and Denmark) more than Iberia is different internally.
Just compare large African minorities living in very rich cities such as New York or Chicago, they don't exactly tend to favorably compare in many such tests compared to post-commie Eastern Europeans despite being richer.
They aren't. All Italians form a genetic cline and have the same ancestry.
italians have differences but that's not the point, don't fall into these traps of having to prove the homogeneity of italy
the argument is filled with contradictions and counter examples anyway
>All Italians form a genetic cline
All of Europe is in some genetic cline, the question is how "steep" this cline is, which it is definitely steeper in Italy than many other regions in Europe, Northern Italians are closer to Southern French on the other side of the Alps than to Campanians.
there are so many inaccuracies and contradictions in the post, you just need to look at europe and the europeans that do worse in these tests are balkaners, and balkaners are whiter than even north italians, let alone southern italians, he justifies this with "north african" admixture in the balkans because he has a knowledge of genetics on par with people from 2002 and thinks e-v13=north african cause e=north african and that haplogroups=admixture or something, when everyone today knows there's 0 north african admixture in the balkans
south italians have little to no north african admixture too, they have some near eastern admixture, they are similar to ashkenazi israelites, even a bit closer to europe overall, and ashkenazis generally perform the best in these tests
he's also one of those people that thinks center=north, so he doesn't need to explain why some central italian regions outperform some north italian regions. conclusion: it's pretty weird how a lot of people obsess over some small area of europe
Given that the difference seems to be between 90 to maybe 105 average IQ, the difference between the highest regions in Central Italy(Tuscany,Marche) and the lowest in Northern Italy is like 5 at most.
no region in italy score 105, 102 is the most you could find
according to the invalsi tests that he posted, marche and tuscany(in central italy) outperform almost anyone in northern italy
>according to the invalsi tests that he posted, marche and tuscany(in central italy) outperform almost anyone in northern italy
Where are the results?
>outperform almost anyone in northern italy
Yeah probably because the main factor is post-Roman, either Southern Italy became dumber for whatever reason or Northern Italy became smarter.
A lot of things just happen to coincidence, but obviously correlaiton=/=causation, geography is the static element always influencing things like climate, land use, political development, migratory patterns and so one, without any of these things necessarily determining each other.
>Where are the results?
in the blog post that kirkegaard guy posted
>Tell me you've never been to Balkans or Italy. Balkaners and Northern Italians are both equally white
genetically balkaners are whiter than north italians
north italians are only a little bit whiter than albanians, all other balkaners are whiter than north italians
> Northern italy is rich, that proves they're smarter and higher iq
> But southern italian immigrants to America are richer than northern italians
> NOOO THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE AMERICA IS A RICHER COUNTRY
the cope is real.
>NOOO THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE AMERICA IS A RICHER COUNTRY
Yes and they live in places with higher income within the US where everything also costs more, African-Americans in many US states are richer than Italians, I guess they are smarter than Italians as well?
Right, my point is that being richer than another group does not prove much because economies are complicated. Most members of a society will not contribute equally to an economy, but they will still obtain some of the benefits.
Of course we can agree that cultural practices can influence the economy, and maybe that's why the economies of various countries behave differently. Maybe even genetics is a factor, but I think it's a bit too much to say, "if a place is richer than another one it's a result of average higher intelligence". This presumes that the average person contributes to the wealth of a country more than they really do.
Italy has been an unified country for 150+ years, there is to some extent a safety net that allows most people to educate themselves even if they have to momentarily move out to do so, yet Southern Italy not only lags behind within Italy without really breaching the gap but it even falls behind countries that started in a worse spot in Eastern Europe.
The narrative that unification is what caused southern decline is clearly wrong and a tribalistic narrative:
>> Northern italy is rich, that proves they're smarter and higher iq
no one is saying this, it is a strawman you consistently portray as the crux of the Realist argument because a basic observation is a correlation with wealth and intelligence.
also the example you give is self refuting
>its all about environment
>WTF NO LIVING IN A WEALTHY NATION ISNT GOING TO INCREASE YOUR CHANCES OF BEING WEALTHY
Youve just totally destroyed your own credibility.
Ok so what makes South Italians in the US wealthy? magic? because evidently the environment doesnt do it otherwise saying "Italian Americans are wealthy because America is a wealthy nation" is perfectly valid.
southern italians in the US are wealthier on average than "white americans" or anglo-german descent tho
how would that be possible if they were dumb
Nigerians in the US are pretty rich, maybe it's not a random sample.
>Nigerians in the US are pretty rich, maybe it's not a random sample.
nigerians are extremely little in number, overall black americans are some of the poorest on average
we are talking about the entirety of italian americans and anglo-germanic americans, not some limited samples sizes, and italian americans are wealthier than anglo american on average
Indian Americans are pretty numerous as a group as well.
>and italian americans are wealthier than anglo american on average
Barely despite disproportionately living in places with higher costs and despite them being very mixed(I wonder how many people are like DeSantis, fully Italian)
The majority of Italian american immigrants came before the existence of immigration policies or restrictions that selected for educated immigrants, or had quotas. Like the 1924 immigration act that introduced the requirement of papers. Italian immigrants to the USA were not selected for intelligence, yet they still earn more on average than the average northern european immigrant.
You are assuming only the government could select, maybe self-selection happened in Italy itself with only some people being able to afford the money to emigrate or even be of the right mindset to do it.
The sentiment for many emigrants at the time was that they wouldn't permanently settle in the US, but that they would work there, become rich and possibly come back.
I'm not an expert in statistics so I wouldn't be able to tell the exact numbers, but if assume the average IQ in southern Italy is 90-95 what % of Southern Italians would be above 100-105?
>yet they still earn more on average than the average northern european immigrant.
Do they earn more than northern European-Americans WITHIN the same state?
Most of them were peasants from rural villages or small cities without any education beyond primary school if they arrived after fascism mandated basic education, or no school at all if they were a child before then. The way many of them got here was by being invited by a relative who was already in America. Originally I think the recruiters came to these towns to advertise immigration in order to sell boat tickets. But immigration costs could have also been paid by their American relatives, it wasn't easy to get cash as a peasant farmer.
> Do they earn more than northern European-Americans WITHIN the same state?
Not sure, I haven't seen any stats on that, but the states with the highest percentage of Italians also have the highest math, even higher than the pacific northwest and north central states with 90+% white population.
highest math scores*
>There is an aspect of the Italian immigration that must be underlined. In the first intense phase (from 1880 to 1914), four out of five immigrants were males and 50% of them returned to Italy. That means that a large part of them was made of seasonal migrants who did not show interest in integrating into the American society, acquiring citizenship and learning the English language (Vecoli, 2005).
>For instance, Bodnar et al. (Bodnar, Simon, & Weber, 1982), found that Italian immigrants in the Pittsburgh area in that period were mainly landless peasants or owners of very small agricultural properties; their goal was to make enough money in order to return in Italy and buy land once back in their regions (immigration from Abruzzi prevailed; other important groups were from Sicily, and Calabria).
>Donna R. Gabaccia (2000) argues that Italian immigrants hardly found full time jobs when they arrived in America. On the west coast, in California, Italian immigrants found some stability as farmers and settlers, growing fruit and starting the California wine industry. At the same time, some of them worked as fishermen in the San Francisco Bay, or in the south, in Tampa, Florida.
>In the latter city, Italian immigrants were also employed in the cigar industry. Few worked in smaller economic niches as artisans, merchants, shoe repairmen, barbers and waiters. Later, they were more permanently employed in the mines of Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Illinois and other states, or in the garment factories of New York City and Chicago.
>For a long period, the vast majority of Italian immigrants could only find seasonal jobs. During the spring and summer, they constructed buildings, railways, streets, roads and tunnels. Of course, those jobs did not allow permanent settlement, and Italian immigrants would leave the United States in the winter; hence, the Italians entered in the imaginary as “birds of passage” (Gabaccia, 2000). Archdeacon (1983) calculated that 1,137,100 Italians emigrated from United States between 1908 and 1924 out of the 3,820,986 Italian immigrants arrived in the period 1899-1924. The rate of people leaving the United States to go back to their own country was much higher in the Italian ethnic group than in any other ethnic group.
>John Bodnar (1987) compared Italian immigrants in the city of Buenos Aires, Argentina, and New York City. Italian immigrants in New York were predominantly from southern Italy. They were illiterate and poorer than the ones that went to the Argentina. Indeed, migrant peasants had not money to invest, so they chose New York because they thought that finding temporary unskilled jobs was easier in the northern American city.
Moat italians inhabit the historically industrial regions of america because they arrived as cheap workforce, california and new york being prime examples of this.
If anything im starting to assume southern italians only work properly under anglo authority and being empliyed by anglos. Because on their own on their native land they clearly start failing.
Other than that, most italians live in the most expensive states of america, and barely win a 200$ more in average than swedish americans for instance (that live in some of the cheapest states of america on living cost)
So they are probably poorer in effective ways
>If anything im starting to assume southern italians only work properly under anglo authority and being empliyed by anglos. Because on their own on their native land they clearly start failing.
Funny because 2000 years ago it was the other way around.
They still are like that, their French elites were the ones who unified the country and using locals as cannon fodder, created the British Empire.
On the opposite, that very study you posted states that in 200 or 300 years the norman lost over 80% of their priviledge over the local population.
>Clark notes that many surnames in the medieval period indicated the bearer's occupation such as mason, carpenter or baker. Those bearing the surname "Smith", for example, were chiefly descended from the simple village blacksmiths that emerged in the middle of the 14th century.
>Strikingly, by 1450 the share of "Smiths" at Oxford University, the entry for those wishing to rise to the highest positions in the church and therefore a key indicator of social achievement, was equal to their proportion across the general population.
>And by 1650 there were as many "Smiths" in the top 1% of wealth holders as in the general population, suggesting they had been completely assimilated into the elite.
>families such as the Darcys drew their names from the Normandy towns and villages from where they originally came.
>His research suggests that by the 13th century these surnames were on average eight times as common at Oxford university as in the general population. >However, by the early 15th century such names were only twice as common at the university as in the general population, suggesting many wealthy families were unable to sustain their privileged position during the period
Italians however were only ruled by lombards, Normans, and
2000 years ago there was no anglos.
Nor south italians for this matter (anyway, the italians that came in contact with england were iron age ones, republican), as they are imperial mutts whose ethnogenesis was properly finished by the late antiquity.
Anyway, what has rome produced ever? Nothing, a primitive failed state, what has england produced under its own? The entire world conquered, the first human touching the moon, and the machine we are using to chat right now, to the food that nourished you since you were born,the factories used to package it and the plastics enveloping it, together with the vehicles used to transport it and the refrigators and electricity used to keep it.
There is nothing suggesting italians have any genetic capacity when anglos outperformed them in a blink, the opposite, it makes clear that even having the resources (literacy, mudwalls, mudbridges, etc) with anticipation southern italians still underperform anglos.
This can only be explained by low iq.
>Nor south italians for this matter
Retarded comment, stopped reading there
how's the weather in buenos aires?
will you ever stop with your ramblings?
>Anyway, what has rome produced ever
try open a book (Roman invention)
They still earn less than your average austrian, russian, lithuanian, latvian or slovene american. We don't know if the sample accounts for recent migrants or not, or if accounts for them in the same region, black people from new york also earns more than italians.
Slavs are not the apex of intellect if you ask me. Thus, im inclinated for regional bias
yeah they earn less than austrians and swiss, but more than anglos, germans, norwegians, etc. Also idk about lithuanians, latvians or slovenes but I would assumes their immigration was more recent, in that case they should be expected to have higher salary due to being skilled immigrants of middle class background, rather than the 19th - early 20th century immigrants who were all unskilled lower-class immigrants
Lithuanian, slovene, austrian, swiss and latvian immigration dates to the late XIX century.
Its interesting how low the average italian american (who are in fact mutted larpers full of other ancestries) wage is compared to other white americans with wider regional distribution
For instance we know the midwest has a lower cost of living but americans from the midwest earn basically 200 dollars less a month than italian americans, living in the states with the highest cost of living (coastal).
Other thing i note is that basing ourselves in the new worlder italians, those living withiut anglo administration or places with potential anglo admixture (argentina/uruguay/brasil) only produce failed states extremely empoverished with incomes 10 times loqer than those in america.
How does this ad up? Low iq is the only explaination
>austrian, russian, lithuanian, latvian or slovene american.
90% of them are israelites.
do you have a source or is it an asspull?
I can go ahead and say this
>90% of irlaian americans of high economic income are larping irish americans with a great great great italian grandparent
There are no statistics but USA has like eight millions of israelites, so it's safe to assume that they are overrepresented among Russian, Polish, Lithuanian, etc... Americans.
This is funny. The only "Europeans" who are richer than the Italians in USA are the ones coming from countries which used to host large numbers of israelites. Meanwhile Germanics like the English or the Dutch are halfway between Blacks and the Italians when it comes to average income. KeK
Campania which was one of the richest parts of Italy from the 1600s to the 1800s is the poorest one now
The smartest Italians from the south all left to US, Canada, and Australia. This is known.
It’s known that Anatolian admixture = lower IQ, something ethnics simply can’t accept and desperately fight against to save face.
If that was the case North Italians shouldn't be smart. Same with French or Swiss.
East Slavs should be smarter than Western Europeans.
north italians have a bit more anatolian farmer than south italians, spaniards and south french have about the same and they have good scores in these tests, northwest europeans have more anatolian admixture than eastern europeans and more than most non europeans. ashkenazi israelites have anatolian farmer admixture in significant amount too
your view of the world is very simplistic
>your view of the world is very simplistic
The guy is a ukranian israelite living in Argentina, or from his followers circle
It’s not simplistic, it’s parsimonious because it’s true, and because no evidence has yet falsified it.
East Slavs, Balkanites, Balts - lower IQ despite having less farmer ancestry than West Europeans/West Mediterraneans.
>ast Slavs, Balkanites, Balts - lower IQ
They perform worse at all kind of tests.
Balkanites maybe, not East Slavs or Balts
east slavs and balts performed worse in the 90s' datasets used by richard lynn to peddle his muh iq hypothesis
then lo and behold, eastern europe got dug out of poverty by ERDF and their scores across the board improved. almost like educational attainment by poorfag, delinquent students who don't give a fuck and have bigger things to worry about is a poor predictor of genotypical intelligence
>east slavs and balts performed worse in the 90s' datasets used by richard lynn to peddle his muh iq hypothesis
>almost like educational attainment by poorfag, delinquent students who don't give a fuck and have bigger things to worry about is a poor predictor of genotypical intelligence
yes, exactly, you fucking retard. indirect measures of IQ are a piss poor measure of IQ. you've built an entire worldview on garbage input data.
Even extremely basic tests like wordsum are correlated with results of IQ tests.
When will South Italy match North Italy? When North Italy becomes 50% non-Italian?
Come the fuck on, you literally argued that the Slavs reversed the effect of fucking communism in 2-3 decades and south Italians can't?
why not just use iq tests instead of indirect tests?
>sample size n=20
only estonians have northwestern european levels in these tests
Norway doesn't have "northwestern european level" rankings while Poland does. Are you retarded on purpose or were you born this way?
poles are west slavs
Ppsting pisa that sums maths and reading as ones is not very effective imo.
I'd rather let reading as the least relevant denominator compared to maths and sciences
Pic is better imo
Why are italy and greece so bad in maths and science? They are latin american tier
North Italy is top tier at math. I remember a map showing native scores from math and North Italians were at the top of Europe.
pisa testing does not make differences on ethnic origins, it measures academic results overall
and you can see how italy in math is above countries that are whiter than north italians, like: belarus, hungary, lithuania, luxembourg, ukraine, slovakia, serbia, romania, moldova, montenegro, bulgaria, macedonia, croatia
overall i can't a strong correlation between whiteness and scores in math by looking at this chart
>It’s not simplistic
it's simplistic and patently wrong, anatolian farmer admixture is more present in northern than in southern italy, so this whole argument shouldn't exist because north italians should be dumber
ashkenazi israelites, iberians, french, swiss, austrians and germans have a lot of anatolian farmer admixture, more than most non europeans, they should be actual retards according to you
Distance: 4.3606% / 0.04360639
Distance: 4.0024% / 0.04002443
Distance: 2.6718% / 0.02671810
So why aren't Balkan Slavs smarter and richer than Italians?
you could do the same with slovakians/poles and south french, slovakians/poles are significantly whiter than south french but they lag behind
you can really find a ton of examples in europe
Can you even exclude southern-descendants living in the North from Invalsi tests? Or even immigrants? If no then the gap would even bigger, lol
the gap would be smaller since all those 200iq terrone working in the north would be counted toward the south
Kinda of a good point but we can't tell if the amount of >100IQ South Italians would outweigh the amount of <100IQ South Italians or immigrants, I guess one could compare large urban areas with historical southern immigration with ones with less.
Distance: 2.5131% / 0.02513134
Distance: 2.3480% / 0.02348033
Whoa, they are basically the same people! lol
they're both farmcucks, what's your point?
IL PAZZO STA SPAMMANDO
IQ lines up with every social metric and no one has yet to debunk its effects, demonstrate that it’s just correlation or prove it isn’t genetic. Regardless of what anyone says the simplest answer with the most amount of evidence is that some people are retarded.
>the simplest answer with the most amount of evidence
Not an argument. Posting memes is an admission of incomprehension.
Perhaps Reddit would be more your style, friendo
Decades of research debunked with one meme. Nice one anon.
I'd wager its the other way around. If there's no economic opportunity worth talking about there's no incentive to develop a culture where high intellectual effort is valued and developed.
North Italy basically appoints mayors and politicians in South Italy and hypocritically calls it a policy against corruption - while those mayors get caught for doing corruption all the time.
The existence of Americans (prosperous but retarded) debunks this hypothesis.
TOTAL ITALIAN UNIFICATION
As a Romanian I resent that Padania flag shit because they stole our folk symbol.
>literally Africa tier
This is a proof that difference in IQ is due to socio-economic factors or very recent selection.
How so? When have balkans ever been smart? Or do you mean nordcucks scoring higher for now but being useless in the past?
>central italians score as much as the french and icelandics and more than iberians/portugal/croatia/hungary/romania/moldova/ukraine/belarus/slovakia/serbia/montenegro/macedonia/bulgaria/bosnia/lithuania despite being less white
woah, 100% correlation between whiteness and intelligence
or north italians themselves scoring more than germans and anglos and scandis and french and belgians and irish despite being less white than literally all all of them regardless of region
>north italy scores more than countries with over 30% foreign populations in schools
this may come out a shocker but...
the cope rolls in ladies and gentlemen
>comparing france and finland is fair
lol, on the opposite, is insane how north italians barely score a bit above immigrant infested countries and below the moroccan shithole from the netherlands let alone estonia and poland
Estonia did better than any other European country, Poland better than most Westerners. Even if including only native scores. You can actually calculate this.
Poles will rule Europe after naggers take over the West.
Interesting. This is the polygenic score for cognitive ability from the same work
Apparently Northeastern Italians (R1b-u152 poor, basically Germanized Preslavic Paleo-Balkanites) are genetically dumber than terroni lmao, they punch above their weight on pisa tests and productivity and every other metric by virtue of sheer autismo and cultural pressure to study and work hard like a slave indian animal and have no hobbies outside work and die in the capannoni, fair play to them, this is what a good environment and work-centered culture would do to terroni, but hey thats probably genetical too
This is how Tuscans compare to other races
holy shit why are finns so superior
They should focus on this stuff more. It will probably largely explain the difference in IQ between populations.
>central italian tuscans above germanic americans and brits
650% correlation between intelligence and whiteness
>finns extremely above italians
Maybe because of their East Asian genes. But this is kind of random. Finns are basically on the level of Japanese, but they are obviously more related to all Europeans than to any East Asians.
turks are basically italians with 10% asian genes (chunk higher than finns)
how come they score so low?
North italians have that trait that makes them high iq asian tier turbo autists, kek
>genetically dumber than terroni
That's not what the graph shows.
> mememap showing italians are divided
This is the polygenic score for height.
This just adds confirmations that NE Italians are basically Balkanites in origin and have a different ethnogenesis from NW Italians, they could be significantly taller than Germanics with a good diet
Dinaric height is likely a post Slavic migration phenomenon, otherwise there is no obvious way to explain Albania vs Montenegro in terms of height.
AFAIK most Italo-Californians are from the North
where does the gdp per capita data for each sub-group come from?
Did the English Heptarchy have high IQ scores?
>finnish are rich
>finnland has no favelas
>finn and estonians have the higest pisa scores on europe
>finns and estonians have the highest iq
>finns have the highest polygenic scores for different works over other europeans
the only thing this thread made me realize is that the finnish race is the master race
>fingols and estonia were nonexistent shitholes until 1950
>inexistent asiatic communist shitholes formed 60 years ago have higher intelectual capacity than the 4000 years old italy
i don't know if this speaks wonders of them or terribly of the rest of europe
>he doesn't knows about the hyperwar era finland
AMO TUTTI I MIEI AMICI ITALIANI
(sì, anche tu)
>italians live in the most expensive cities on the country yet in average tend to receive only 2% more than your average suburban white american living in a small town with low costs.
And they say italians are not prone to live like favelados lol
This niggas be living in new york with the same money a swede lives in a small town from wisconsin lmao
They must be eating rocks to survive
Do these GDP figures even account for overlap between Italian Americans and other ethnicities?
>We have followed the largest of the late-nineteenth century immigrant groups over the course of nearly a century, through four
generations. We have seen that while intermarriage rates were very low in the immigrant generation, these rates were high in both thesecond and third generations, so high that already in the third generation the children of unmixed origin were a minority of all grandchildren of Italian immigrants, and by the fourth generation, children of unmixed origins were less than a tenth of all great-grandchildren of Italian immigrants.
Like how Italian are most Italian-Americans really?
Someone give me a tldr of this thread. Has anyone refuted Kirkegaard's study?
The south was occupied by the spaniards. Everything they have ever touched turned into a shithole
fuck off, argentinian shitter
stop larping as south italian, north italian or spaniard