Do you think the timing isn't right for Forbidden Door?

With everything going on like the hot angle of MJF after DoN, a couple of weeks before G1 and etc. Doing it the show this month doesn't click to me. I don't know maybe doing it after Revolution or All Out or maybe Mania weekend is the right time.

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >AEW and "buyers remorse"
    Is there a more kino tag team?

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    yeah sandwiched between NJPW's 2nd and 3rd biggest events of the year means they're reluctant to send players over and can't build any major angles.

    on AEW's side it's bad luck with punk's injury in particular, but also danielson's and the fact that omega is still out of action. would feel like a very different card with those three guys on it.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    First off, the MJF hot angle was birthed out of a shoot occurrence with MJF applying a pincer move on Tony. No one saw it coming that far ahead. Not even MJF or Tony. No way Forbidden Door could have been planned around that.
    Having the PPV before the G1 and after Double or Nothing shouldn't in theory be too big a issue. The main one, to me, is more Dominion. It really only gave them two weeks to properly hype shit up.
    With that said, even though this PPV only had 2 weeks to get hyped, Tony has done a piss poor job at it, so scheduling can only take so much of the blame.
    Lastly, this reeks to me of Tony having booked it as soon as possible from the moment he and Gedo shaked hands, which is why the schedules are all fucked. If there's ever another Forbidden Door (And there might not be cause Tony bungled this shit hard lmao), it will probably be scheduled well.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Tony dropped the bombshell of him buying ROH on a random Dynamite. Of course he scheduled FD the minute he reached an agreement with nujamal. He has zero self-control.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >the MJF hot angle
      it wasn't an angle, MJF was burying his employer and his company on live TV to get more money for himself. Tony would be an idiot if he made that a running segment, and you would attack him for doing it.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >if you do the exact same as the best year you've ever done, that's a "bomb"
        dronies, everyone

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >A Cross-Over PPV being the dirt worst selling PPV of the year isn't a bomb
          On what fucking planet? Are you retards already damage controlling for me saying a number that is below all the other PPVs of the year and on the level of All Gear? This is how confident you trannies are in Tony's shit build of this PPV.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            It's an event just a month after their last PPV and many people will barely be familiar with a lot of the card. If this gets a buy rate in line with their main PPVs first time round, that's actually incredible.

            >Pay a guy way more money
            >Don't have him on the show anymore
            Smart, Tony. Very smart.

            He has nothing to do at Forbidden Door and having him be away for a few weeks means that when he comes back it's instant interest.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >and many people will barely be familiar with a lot of the card
              Exactly, cause Tony is a fucking retard that just booked these guys those people don't know to just do random stable run-ins. That is why this will bomb. And we both know it, as I'm stating it and you are implicitly admitting it with your damage control.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It was an angle. Tony probably didn't realize that the crowd would cheer at MJF shitting on him, but they definitely worked things out for at least the next two years. If Tony is smart, he made MJF one of the highest paid guys in the company (Nearly CM Punk levels) and managed to extend his contract by 2 more years so he has him for 4.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Pay a guy way more money
          >Don't have him on the show anymore
          Smart, Tony. Very smart.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Jack off over MJF all you like, but that garden gnome shouldn't be anywhere near a New Japan cross-promotion show. Writing him off for two weeks is an objectively smart move from Tony.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Tony probably didn't realize that the crowd would cheer at MJF shitting on him,
          This didn't happen. People cheered for some of the stuff MJF said but when MJF started insulting Tony (saying "you belong behind the barricade with the rest of them"), the crowd stopped cheering and very clearly didn't like that. They agreed with some of his critiques but very explicitly did NOT agree with him insulting Tony Khan as the booker.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I think the first one was always gonna be clunky because it was always gonna have to be shoved into the schedule somewhere. The next one, they can figure it out on both of their schedules together well in advance.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

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    What's the excuse going to be when this bombs

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Define what a bomb would be.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Less than 150k would be a bomb.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          They've only done two or three PPVs over 150k in their entire existence.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            You're not talking to someone trying to come up with a good faith position, they just want to set a ridiculous number to shitpost later.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              I'm aware. I want to at least force him to try and defend his absurd positions.

              >Hahaha, look at all this PPV growth we're having
              >NOOOO, IF WE HAVE EARLY 2021 NUMBERS, THAT'S NOT A FLOP
              Sub 150k is lower than Last year's and this year's Double or Nothing, as well as this year's All Out and Revolution.

              >Early 2021:
              >Revolution 2021: 135,000
              >Double or Nothing 2021: 115,000
              It could be lower than 150k and would still easily beat both of those numbers. It could do 145-150ish and it would be perfectly in line with Full Gear '21 and DoN '22. What's unreasonable about that?

              >this year's All Out
              Hasn't happened yet. If you mean last year's All Out, I doubt any AEW PPV is getting there again any time soon. It was just too unique of a confluence of too many things.
              >Revolution
              It'll probably be lower than that, I'll grant. I have a hard time seeing it reach 170k with all of the injuries and missing stars.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You are implicitly admitting that a cross-over show is gonna do worse than every PPV in 2022 except it will maybe, MAYBE, do barely better than Full Gear.

                That's a fucking bomb.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Hahaha, look at all this PPV growth we're having
            >NOOOO, IF WE HAVE EARLY 2021 NUMBERS, THAT'S NOT A FLOP
            Sub 150k is lower than Last year's and this year's Double or Nothing, as well as this year's All Out and Revolution.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

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      Wouldn't be shocked if the trannies throw New Jachad under the bus, considering how they're only obviously pretending they know anything about it.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Punk got a stubbed toe
    >Hangman saying on twitter that belts doesn't matter
    >All-Atlantic tournament right after Owen tournament
    >All-Atlantic having all kinds of flags
    >MJF out whether it' work or shoot
    >Thunder Rosa potatoin' and TK not setting her straight
    >Jeff Hardy drugged up and relapsed
    >Kenny out indefinitely
    >Schizo stories
    >Horrible NJPW invasion angle with non-existent stories so you have to look things up
    >Ricky Starks and lots of others sawdusting themselves
    >Homegrown talent like Darby lost in the shuffle treated like shit
    >172 talents in the roster
    >dwindling ratings
    >cultists defending in to hell and back
    >cultists saying that TV ranking and PPV sales matter not seeing the writing on the wall, seeing the same thing happening to Netflix and not seeing the bear market
    This is a sinking ship and unlike WWE, AEW doesn't have a Nick Khan setting things straight

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    there have probably been 500 threads from e-drones trying to meme this ppv into failure, why are they so terrified of it?

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    No. They used to do tons of pre-G1 shows in the US with ROH and they always did great.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Booker of the Year strikes again.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

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    You are implicitly admitting that a cross-over show is gonna do worse than every PPV in 2022 except it will maybe, MAYBE, do barely better than Full Gear.

    That's a fucking bomb.

    >every PPV show in 2022
    How could I be saying that? two of them haven't happened yet.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

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      Sub-150k would be a bomb. Simple as.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Every PPV in 2022
        Two of those happened in 2021. If you meant to say "every PPV in the last year", maybe you should've said that.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Ok, mate. My bad and thank you for the correction.
          Anyways: Sub-150k would be a bomb and that image succinctly explains why.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I'm assuming by "sub 150k", you mean you would call this a bomb if it did 149,999 buys. That would still be higher than everything on the graph before your cutoff point, meaning they are still experiencing year over year growth. That would still be one of AEW's highest grossing events ever, possibly their highest because we already know the gate is going to be higher than every show on that graph.

            You can reasonably say "150k is what they should expect to do and anything less than that would have to be considered average for an AEW PPV at this point and thus, at least a little disappointing, because of this PPV's special circumstances." You cannot reasonably say "Less than 150k is a bomb." because they're simply taking home too much money to call that a bomb.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Tony has a big growth in PPV numbers
              >Forbidden Door doesn't meet this growth at all because Tony is a retarded and can't book it
              It's a bomb, bro.

              >An off cycle PPV a month after another one would be a bomb if it didn't match the on-cycle ppvs

              This feels like a ridiculously bold claim. 100-150k would be great, especially considering it's unlikely we'll see any of the data on buys and subs for NJPW until MAYBE a bushiroad investor report.

              >Monday at 5 AM in Japan
              lmao trannies are retarded. This is gonna do 0 buys over there and it's irrelevant to even try to count them.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Okay, you do understand that a bomb is something that loses money, right. Something can be disappointing or below expectations without being a bomb.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >a bomb is something that loses money, right.
                then aew is a massive bomb given they haven't made a dollar of profit in three years

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Yes it has.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

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          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >An off cycle PPV a month after another one would be a bomb if it didn't match the on-cycle ppvs

            This feels like a ridiculously bold claim. 100-150k would be great, especially considering it's unlikely we'll see any of the data on buys and subs for NJPW until MAYBE a bushiroad investor report.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              I dunno how many buys you can expect from the Japanese side, anyway. It's on at some ungodly time of morning for them, no AEW wrestlers besides Moxley and Jericho have really come to New Japan. It depends a LOT on how much Moxley/Tanahashi means to them because there's basically no other big Japanese stars on the card.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Doing it the show
    GOOD MORNING SIR

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