They feel body dysmorphia, certainly.
Especially women and incels do.
Dysphoria has to do with gender and since cis people like their gender they can't feel that.
Yeah.
It's a different feeling.
A cis person can feel bad they don't look like stacy or giga chad but they can't comprehend the experience of their body and brain being fundamentally mismatched.
>A cis person can feel bad they don't look like stacy or giga chad
isn't that kinda the same deal that trans ppl get though once they start transitioning? they feel like they don't look enough like their goal which causes anxiety
I can't speak for everyone but I'd say they're slightly different feelings. Like I've been transitioning for so long that my dysphoria is really tiny and now the htings I'm self conciouse about or want to change about my body are pretty normal things, like I want to change them and I wish they were different, but it feels so different from before I transitioned, it's in another league. But it's not like a switch suddenly flips when you start HRT or anything, dysphoria faded really really slowly over years and years until I could look back and notice what I feel now is different to what I used to feel.
Is it still dysphoria? I mean yeah, but it's not DYSPHORIA as I used to know it.
Why are genitals immune to body dysmorphia then? As in we have more people who literally want to bisect themselves in half than with a BDD of the genitals diagnosis.
Well yeah right like it's just for the gender they were assigned at birth. Like lots of cis women will feel there body isn't femine enough and it can obviously cause severe distress yk. Its the same feeling trans people have just exacerbated because their body is further from their ideal body. We obviously call it something else but it's the same feeling for both
Yeah
Cis men do all the time what with their leg lengthening surgeries and gynecomastia top surgeries. Top surgery for gynecomastia isn’t medically necessary because gynecomastia is normal for men, but they get them removed because it makes them feel bad/too feminine (sometimes). Dysphoria.
Cis women getting laser hair removal is the same thing in my eyes.
i want to get leg lengthening surgery and i'm a pooner
t. unpassable (5'2") height haver with a stunted childish frame, narrow shoulders, and an overall incredibly clocky bone structure very uncanny for a male. my (fem-leaning) androgynous face does not negate this
Yes.
Like in the case let's say they are a cis guy and put in a place where they would appear feminized. They would experience gender dysphoria because they identify as male, not female.
That's the point of that one study that zoomer chuds like to post about where some quack doctor did feminizing surgery on a cis guy who didn't have gender dysphoria and, surprise, he became dysphoric.
Based on the bits of medical literature I've seen (admittedly I'm not in the field, but it's of interest to me), I'd hazard an off-the-cuff guess that about half of cis people are capable of experiencing gender dysphoria.
This is based on studies of fetus development disorders that result in people born without any genitalia. There was a certain school of thought in medicine (likely falling into disrepute by now, but it's pretty disgusting it existed as long as it did) that they should be raised as woman in that case, unless proven otherwise. So there were a number of XY individuals who were given genital reconstruction surgery to resemble female genitalia and treated with hormones. It's not a huge sample size, but it exists. And of that group about half were like, "Nah, fuck this, I know I'm a man," and about half were like, "Ehh, whatever, I guess I'm a girl. Doesn't mean I can't be a tomboy though."
So I think about half of cis people, if they were forcibly transitioned, could be convinced to remain transitioned with the right therapy to get over the shock, while another half would get gender dysphoria bad enough they want to detransition back to what they were before.
Interestingly, I'd also suspect that if about 0.5% of the population right now is trans/non-binary and experiences gender dysphoria, I think there's an additional 0.5% of the population who were "born in the wrong body" but are incapable of feeling gender dysphoria and so never feel an impetus to transition.
>"born in the wrong body" but are incapable of feeling gender dysphoria
What do you mean by this? Someone who cannot fit in with the gender norms of their assigned sex, someone who wants to be the opposite sex but doesn't feel dysphoric about it, or something else entirely?
They can feel dysphoria ("state of unease or generalized dissatisfaction with life") in general over a lot of things but if they specifically have gender dysphoria then you can't really call them cis anymore. The closest feeling cisgenders have to gender dysphoria is body dysmorphia or social insecurity derived from real or perceived inability to meet their own gender's beauty or behavioral standards.
>if they specifically have gender dysphoria then you can't really call them cis anymore
what about balding cis men or manboobs cis men or post-mastectomy cis women? Real question, not arguing, just wondering if it fits in.
Gender dysphoria happens because of mismatch between biological sex and internal gender identity. >balding cis men
They're upset because they don't meet male beauty standards and because it is a visible sign of aging and decay. They are not upset about balding because they internally feel like women who shouldn't go bald, but because it makes them feel ugly and closer to death. Balding is masculine, but they're not upset about it for that reason. Even twinks who don't want to bald still want to be male and masculine in their own neotenous way. >post-mastectomy cis women
This one has more to it I think because breast removal makes the chest more masculine. You see this in cis women who were ftm trenders and had mastectomy. I think that's a special case though, like men who lose their penises in accidents. So I guess people who are deformed by accidents or choice (i.e. taking T or getting SRS as trenders) can be cis with dysphoria
>This one has more to it I think because breast removal makes the chest more masculine.
Kind of, but from my cis perspective a female rib cage without breasts looks sunken and unfinished.
seems reasonable to categorize the discomfort that a cis guy with gyno or a cis woman with PCOS virilization might feel as being the same kind of thing as gender dysphoria, albeit to a smaller degree
They feel body dysmorphia, certainly.
Especially women and incels do.
Dysphoria has to do with gender and since cis people like their gender they can't feel that.
you mean dysphoria in the "brain/body" mismatch kind of way?
Yeah.
It's a different feeling.
A cis person can feel bad they don't look like stacy or giga chad but they can't comprehend the experience of their body and brain being fundamentally mismatched.
>A cis person can feel bad they don't look like stacy or giga chad
isn't that kinda the same deal that trans ppl get though once they start transitioning? they feel like they don't look enough like their goal which causes anxiety
I can't speak for everyone but I'd say they're slightly different feelings. Like I've been transitioning for so long that my dysphoria is really tiny and now the htings I'm self conciouse about or want to change about my body are pretty normal things, like I want to change them and I wish they were different, but it feels so different from before I transitioned, it's in another league. But it's not like a switch suddenly flips when you start HRT or anything, dysphoria faded really really slowly over years and years until I could look back and notice what I feel now is different to what I used to feel.
Is it still dysphoria? I mean yeah, but it's not DYSPHORIA as I used to know it.
body dysmorphia is a totally different thing from dysphoria
you conflate the two because the words sound similar, that's all
Why are genitals immune to body dysmorphia then? As in we have more people who literally want to bisect themselves in half than with a BDD of the genitals diagnosis.
>Why are genitals immune to body dysmorphia then?
who says they are?
I'm not sure what you're trying to say
>genitals are immune to body dysmorphia
try telling that to every single "increase your dick size" ad you see on sketchy ass sites
It would be like calling the attraction between too men straight
thank god nintendo learned their lesson and stopped link from crossdressing in the new game
Cringe take
uuuhm,,,,
no one tell him
link crossdressing had me jerking off to femboys for a while
Well yeah right like it's just for the gender they were assigned at birth. Like lots of cis women will feel there body isn't femine enough and it can obviously cause severe distress yk. Its the same feeling trans people have just exacerbated because their body is further from their ideal body. We obviously call it something else but it's the same feeling for both
can a gay person feel a type of gender dysphoria from internalized homophobia?
or am i just trans
that is what being trans is
It wold be absolutely astonishing for someone to internalize homphobia but not transphobia and thus wanna transition lol
yeah, that would be so weird
wouldn't it
Dude just say what you mean retard, it would litteraly just be unlikely imo
oh you're talking about yourself arent you
yea, gayanon, it at least makes logical sense in the "do i wanna be him or do i wanna be with him" kinda way
Yeah
Cis men do all the time what with their leg lengthening surgeries and gynecomastia top surgeries. Top surgery for gynecomastia isn’t medically necessary because gynecomastia is normal for men, but they get them removed because it makes them feel bad/too feminine (sometimes). Dysphoria.
Cis women getting laser hair removal is the same thing in my eyes.
i want to get leg lengthening surgery and i'm a pooner
t. unpassable (5'2") height haver with a stunted childish frame, narrow shoulders, and an overall incredibly clocky bone structure very uncanny for a male. my (fem-leaning) androgynous face does not negate this
Yes.
Like in the case let's say they are a cis guy and put in a place where they would appear feminized. They would experience gender dysphoria because they identify as male, not female.
That's the point of that one study that zoomer chuds like to post about where some quack doctor did feminizing surgery on a cis guy who didn't have gender dysphoria and, surprise, he became dysphoric.
Isn't that the plot of a movie too? I'm not sure the name
yes. i am a cis man and experience gender dysphoria (i take estrogen to help relieve it)
My honest opinion (pic related)
micropeen havers probably do
a cis manlet with a small dick and no beard is in the exact same situation as a trans guy
and both should get government funded testosterone, a gym membership, and whatever surgical help science can provide.
the same applies to cishons and trannies.
Based
Post-menopausal cis women already take HRT to keep them healthy and feminine
women with PCOS can get gender dysphoria
Based on the bits of medical literature I've seen (admittedly I'm not in the field, but it's of interest to me), I'd hazard an off-the-cuff guess that about half of cis people are capable of experiencing gender dysphoria.
This is based on studies of fetus development disorders that result in people born without any genitalia. There was a certain school of thought in medicine (likely falling into disrepute by now, but it's pretty disgusting it existed as long as it did) that they should be raised as woman in that case, unless proven otherwise. So there were a number of XY individuals who were given genital reconstruction surgery to resemble female genitalia and treated with hormones. It's not a huge sample size, but it exists. And of that group about half were like, "Nah, fuck this, I know I'm a man," and about half were like, "Ehh, whatever, I guess I'm a girl. Doesn't mean I can't be a tomboy though."
So I think about half of cis people, if they were forcibly transitioned, could be convinced to remain transitioned with the right therapy to get over the shock, while another half would get gender dysphoria bad enough they want to detransition back to what they were before.
Interestingly, I'd also suspect that if about 0.5% of the population right now is trans/non-binary and experiences gender dysphoria, I think there's an additional 0.5% of the population who were "born in the wrong body" but are incapable of feeling gender dysphoria and so never feel an impetus to transition.
>"born in the wrong body" but are incapable of feeling gender dysphoria
What do you mean by this? Someone who cannot fit in with the gender norms of their assigned sex, someone who wants to be the opposite sex but doesn't feel dysphoric about it, or something else entirely?
Define dysphoria
a useful abstraction for a world that expects psychiatry to utilise the scientific method (which it can't, not really)
They can feel dysphoria ("state of unease or generalized dissatisfaction with life") in general over a lot of things but if they specifically have gender dysphoria then you can't really call them cis anymore. The closest feeling cisgenders have to gender dysphoria is body dysmorphia or social insecurity derived from real or perceived inability to meet their own gender's beauty or behavioral standards.
>if they specifically have gender dysphoria then you can't really call them cis anymore
what about balding cis men or manboobs cis men or post-mastectomy cis women? Real question, not arguing, just wondering if it fits in.
Gender dysphoria happens because of mismatch between biological sex and internal gender identity.
>balding cis men
They're upset because they don't meet male beauty standards and because it is a visible sign of aging and decay. They are not upset about balding because they internally feel like women who shouldn't go bald, but because it makes them feel ugly and closer to death. Balding is masculine, but they're not upset about it for that reason. Even twinks who don't want to bald still want to be male and masculine in their own neotenous way.
>post-mastectomy cis women
This one has more to it I think because breast removal makes the chest more masculine. You see this in cis women who were ftm trenders and had mastectomy. I think that's a special case though, like men who lose their penises in accidents. So I guess people who are deformed by accidents or choice (i.e. taking T or getting SRS as trenders) can be cis with dysphoria
>Even twinks who don't want to bald still want to be male and masculine in their own neotenous way.
this also applies to fttwinks/twinkpoons
>This one has more to it I think because breast removal makes the chest more masculine.
Kind of, but from my cis perspective a female rib cage without breasts looks sunken and unfinished.
Yeah I experienced gender dysphoria when I developed boy tits at 13 and constantly got harassed and molested because of it
cis people understand dysphoria perfectly well when talking about detransitioners
they simply have zero empathy for trans people
seems reasonable to categorize the discomfort that a cis guy with gyno or a cis woman with PCOS virilization might feel as being the same kind of thing as gender dysphoria, albeit to a smaller degree
in general, cis normies have no real concept of gender beyond surface level constructs like boy=blue and girl=pink