There are many stories of floods, the last ice age was around 20,000 b.c.e. Likely when it took place, or it may have been a regional thing like many people say.
China is pretty ancient, and they recorded an ancient flood as well, so have scientists.
The feasibility of housing and feeding animals in a big boat seems not so far fetched, if you believe in desert demons who talk in burning bushes, and angels splitting mountains in half and shit.
They won’t personally say it or say “it was over exaggerated” or “muh local flood”. Honestly I think the number of atheists/agnostics in our society is heavily underreported. Like 40-50% of people I meet IRL are atheist/agnostic.
Well, a flood did take place, before europeans and chinese people started out as hunter gatherers. China makes the bible look retarded because they were making pottery and israeliteelry 15,000 years before the bible was written.
Yes, but they won't openly defend it or even acknowledge it. It's like when Mormons pretend not to know about Kolob and shit until they get you through the door and apologetics aren't necessary.
Global flood ~4k years ago, everything outside of the ark (and plants + some fishes) dies, the entire global biodiversity is a result of animals dispersing from bronze age middle east.
The flood story is a lot older than 4000 years. It likely did happen, whether noah and the boat is real is a different story. I assume you believe we spread out from Africa and ate all the giant monsters and shit.
Believing that a single species migrated from Africa over the course of thousands of years is not the same as believing that a dead planet was repopulated by a group of animals that were on a boat.
Well, Chinese and Europeans are very ancient, I am not sure about the israelites, I think the bible is plagerized from hindu and egyptian texts / stories.
The israelites admit to incorporating gods and ideas into their religion during their exile in babylon and Egypt.
We know there was megafauna existing along side us for a long time, such as giant ananacondas and lizards. Maybe even prehistoric whales. Likely the ice ages wiped out a lot of them, and resulting floods killed the rest, unless you believe we hunted them all to extinction.
Many ancient cultures have stories of dragons and monsters, the bible seems to call them giants or nephilim. So yes, I agree with the story as a premise. The bible is supposed to be, a genealogical history book about sand people and their pet demons.
Anyways, I guess it depends how you look at it. Yes it happened, did it happen that way? Probably not.
Funnily enough, there's theories regarding overhunting being a contribution to the climate of the Younger Dryas.
But anyway, you shouldn't underestimate today's giants. The pleistocene cave bear isn't around anymore (and that's a good thing), but an African elephant in musth still mogs the overwhelming majority of extinct megafauna that were alive during the last few million years. And as far as we know, the blue whale is the largest animal of all time.
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I would totally feed my children to a giant snake ontop of a ziggaraut.
The Bible's chronology places the flood 4000 years ago. It's very easy to calculate this by looking at the ages given in the Bible. Of course this is utterly impossible.
no matter how many times this thread is made, the answer will always be "yes"
just like there are people who believe in big bang, evolution, globe earth, gravity and myriad of other things that they find believable/true while others find unlikely, impossible or laughable
Grab ity is real and all of the arguments used to support it's existence are the same ones used to defend the Christian God. >we don't know how it works but it just does ok?!?!
Almost everyone where I live. Young earth creationism isn't common in most of Europe, I didn't even know modern people believed in a literal Genesis until I was like 15.
Not literally, but I have an academic friend who thinks there was a global flood at some point due to a rock crashing into Earth and oral tradition carried this truth into the bible and dozens of other cultures
Having an hypothesis isn't really the same as believing it, and that's a pretty good and sound hypothesis too.
I know it's probably obvious, but I just wanted to clarify it, because I say a lot of shit I don't believe in just to play the Devil's advocate, and people love to put words in my mouth and thoughts in my head.
>Early civilizations situate themselves around rivers >Rivers can flood and cause cataclysms >omg all these different civilizations have stories of floods, that means there must have been a global flood!
There are many stories of floods, the last ice age was around 20,000 b.c.e. Likely when it took place, or it may have been a regional thing like many people say.
China is pretty ancient, and they recorded an ancient flood as well, so have scientists.
The feasibility of housing and feeding animals in a big boat seems not so far fetched, if you believe in desert demons who talk in burning bushes, and angels splitting mountains in half and shit.
They won’t personally say it or say “it was over exaggerated” or “muh local flood”. Honestly I think the number of atheists/agnostics in our society is heavily underreported. Like 40-50% of people I meet IRL are atheist/agnostic.
Well, a flood did take place, before europeans and chinese people started out as hunter gatherers. China makes the bible look retarded because they were making pottery and israeliteelry 15,000 years before the bible was written.
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Yes, but they won't openly defend it or even acknowledge it. It's like when Mormons pretend not to know about Kolob and shit until they get you through the door and apologetics aren't necessary.
In Noah's Ark generally or a very baby friendly version of it that downplays the idea of mass drowning and upsells the floating zoo angle?
Global flood ~4k years ago, everything outside of the ark (and plants + some fishes) dies, the entire global biodiversity is a result of animals dispersing from bronze age middle east.
The flood story is a lot older than 4000 years. It likely did happen, whether noah and the boat is real is a different story. I assume you believe we spread out from Africa and ate all the giant monsters and shit.
Believing that a single species migrated from Africa over the course of thousands of years is not the same as believing that a dead planet was repopulated by a group of animals that were on a boat.
Well, Chinese and Europeans are very ancient, I am not sure about the israelites, I think the bible is plagerized from hindu and egyptian texts / stories.
The israelites admit to incorporating gods and ideas into their religion during their exile in babylon and Egypt.
We know there was megafauna existing along side us for a long time, such as giant ananacondas and lizards. Maybe even prehistoric whales. Likely the ice ages wiped out a lot of them, and resulting floods killed the rest, unless you believe we hunted them all to extinction.
Many ancient cultures have stories of dragons and monsters, the bible seems to call them giants or nephilim. So yes, I agree with the story as a premise. The bible is supposed to be, a genealogical history book about sand people and their pet demons.
Anyways, I guess it depends how you look at it. Yes it happened, did it happen that way? Probably not.
Funnily enough, there's theories regarding overhunting being a contribution to the climate of the Younger Dryas.
But anyway, you shouldn't underestimate today's giants. The pleistocene cave bear isn't around anymore (and that's a good thing), but an African elephant in musth still mogs the overwhelming majority of extinct megafauna that were alive during the last few million years. And as far as we know, the blue whale is the largest animal of all time.
I would totally feed my children to a giant snake ontop of a ziggaraut.
The Bible's chronology places the flood 4000 years ago. It's very easy to calculate this by looking at the ages given in the Bible. Of course this is utterly impossible.
Isn't 4,000 years ago when Abraham lived?
He was from Ur of the Chaldees so it would be 800 BC at the earliest.
Moses was from before then Anon
Moshe is a mythical character, his origin story is nicked from Sargon of Akkad.
That is also wrong.
no, adults i know are busy working etc
no matter how many times this thread is made, the answer will always be "yes"
just like there are people who believe in big bang, evolution, globe earth, gravity and myriad of other things that they find believable/true while others find unlikely, impossible or laughable
Grab ity is real and all of the arguments used to support it's existence are the same ones used to defend the Christian God.
>we don't know how it works but it just does ok?!?!
Do you personally know any adults who believe this?
Almost everyone where I live. Young earth creationism isn't common in most of Europe, I didn't even know modern people believed in a literal Genesis until I was like 15.
No because the perspective is all wrong, it looks like he comes out of a wall of water
Yes every single one. Facts don’t care about your feelings. Fish and amphibian DNA in every cell of your body as we speak.
Yes. Everyone with an IQ above 80.
You need to believe in it to be a clergy in orthodox churches so yes, a lot do.
Not literally, but I have an academic friend who thinks there was a global flood at some point due to a rock crashing into Earth and oral tradition carried this truth into the bible and dozens of other cultures
Having an hypothesis isn't really the same as believing it, and that's a pretty good and sound hypothesis too.
I know it's probably obvious, but I just wanted to clarify it, because I say a lot of shit I don't believe in just to play the Devil's advocate, and people love to put words in my mouth and thoughts in my head.
>people love to put words in my mouth and thoughts in my head
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Me and also my religion teacher from school
>Early civilizations situate themselves around rivers
>Rivers can flood and cause cataclysms
>omg all these different civilizations have stories of floods, that means there must have been a global flood!
my mother, who still occasionally tries to convert me to fundamentalism