Do Christian apologists realize that the arguments they use against atheists are more likely to convert them into fucking DEISTS rather than Christian...


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Do Christian apologists realize that the arguments they use against atheists are more likely to convert them into fucking DEISTS rather than Christians?

  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    yeah but thats a big gateway

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Learning that God exists is the first step to accepting the resurrection

      No, because Deism leads down a completely different path than Christianity. Deism is fundamentally based on logic and reason, whereas Christianity is based on leap of faith. The more deism gets cemented in one’s mind, the less likely he is to care about Christianity.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >No, because Deism leads down a completely different path than Christianity. Deism is fundamentally based on logic and reason, whereas Christianity is based on leap of faith.

        No, because, like me, the person who is a deist may have occasion to consider the case for the Resurrection, and that obviously (although not necessarily) leads to Christianity.

        Speaking of which, that case is much stronger than many people realize. The evidence is nicely summarized here:

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >evidence for the Resurrection
          HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

          >hurrr creation was created, therefore Creator must've been created too
          Atheism is for midwits who want to appear smart, they adopt it because they were told it's the "smart" thing to believe. Watch him cite some ~~*study*~~ that affirms his beliefs now while still incapable of wrapping his head around the concept of an Almighty God or God's self-existence because he's so "smart".

          >no arguments

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            for the Resurrection
            >HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

            Well, the OP seems to acknowledge that there are plausible, evidence-based arguments that can lead one from atheism to deism.

            I can assure you, anon, there is equally strong evidence for the Resurrection. There are several books I could refer you to, but the case is conveniently and very nicely made in this video.

            Watch -- if you dare! But have a care, for if you do you may find yourself sliding down the slippery slope to Christianity. Yikes!

            But if you refuse to expose yourself to this evidence, what does that say about you? Hmmm? Is it really so very funny?

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              The arguments for deism are circular and retarded by themselves. His point is that even if all of them were true there is nothing that naturally leads from a prime mover to a self-contradictory Trinity. The Gospels were written by people who never met Jesus. There is no evidence for a Resurrection. The only reason people even assume that Jesus existed is because it would be unlikely Christians would invent the crucifixion.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >There is no evidence for a Resurrection.

                Shrug. You're wrong. There is plenty of evidence.

                “There is none so blind as those who will not see.”

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                OK you can maintain your schizo delusions if you want.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >typing out shrug
                Christians are such fucking losers lmao

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                There is no reason to believe that a man has ever resurrected. There is no reason to believe that God exists or that any modern Christian group reflects the teachings of a 1st century Galilean messiah claimant.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >There is no reason to believe that a man has ever resurrected.

                I'm telling you there is evidence. There is NO QUESTION that there is such evidence. Any number of books have been written describing that evidence (e.g., N.T. Wright, The Resurrection of the Son of God).

                Now, you might review that evidence and conclude that is not persuasive. If so, fine. But don't say there is no evidence, or no reason. There is very strong evidence, and very good reasons to believe in the Resurrection.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's not remotely persuasive.
                >Anglican source
                >Church founded on divorce
                lmao

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm telling you there is evidence.
                Yes, but you're not citing any

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Watch the video, or don't. Open your eyes, or don't. Your prerogative, my friend.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                funny how you obviously are afraid to debate this so-called "evidence" of yours. also a parallel with sjws who also retreat into "it's not my job to educate you" when challenged.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >typing out shrug
                Christians are such fucking losers lmao

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why do christoids always link youtube videos? Just type what you wanna say, nigga.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Christian logical arguments for God lead to a personal God. You don't end up at Deism by accepting them.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          The prime mover is not a personal god

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe look into what the Christian logical arguments are before making assertions about them

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              Where is the logical progression from a prime mover to a Trinity?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                You don't get salvation or revealed information like the Trinity from pure logic, these only set the stage for accepting the resurrection, which is where all the rest comes from. Logical arguments only get you (as I recall) an eternal, perfect, conscious, personal, and necessary creator of reality.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              Christians here will use the prime mover as their argument for the Christian god, it seriously happens all the time.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's used as an argument for a Creator, instead of chimping out over semantics why don't you argue the point for once?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Creator isn’t the Christian god. You need to prove the creator is the Christian god.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                They do make arguments that it is the God of the Bible, but you act like they're not allowed to use that argument because that argument alone doesn't prove it is the God of the Bible.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >They do make arguments that it is the God of the Bible
                Anon I’ve been on this board for its entire existence, the prime mover is one of if not the most common arguments by Christians to prove their god is real, and when you try and push them to prove that the creator is the Christian god they just revel in a victory over atheism or keep arguing for the prime mover if it doesn’t work, and do not go further. I’ve asked specifically what arguments make the creator god the Christian god and they never answer.

                You’re literally doing that right now

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        C.S. Lewis acknowledged this in his book 'mere Christianity'. Any true Christian will understand that their religion is founded on faith while believing it to be consistent with rationality.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      It’s not. Im nowhere closer to Christianity. My beliefs are only now more secure that God is not to be found in the Bible

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      A gateway to just more atheism.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >believing in A god leads to more believing a god doesn't exist
        ??????
        >

        It’s not. Im nowhere closer to Christianity. My beliefs are only now more secure that God is not to be found in the Bible


        If you moved from believing that a god doesn't exist to believing a god does exist, then you're closer and we're winning.

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    What arguments are you even referring to?

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Both christians and atheists have arguments that are useless outside of their bubble

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Learning that God exists is the first step to accepting the resurrection

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Learning that God exists is the first step to accepting that Jesus did not die on the cross, but was instead protected but he will of Allah, as all prophets have been.

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    No they don't realize that. They expect people to agree that God is real because of their circular prime mover arguments and then immediately move on to believing that God is a Trinity and became a man but was born of a virgin and had to sacrifice himself as his son to himself to prevent himself from sending everyone to Hell.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >circular prime mover
      The only circular thing is materialist explanations

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        the problem with this is that the way supernatural is defined I could absolutely believe there is a supernatural cause to the universe.
        There's quantum fluctuations, there's the possibility of some sort of energy in the multiverse that causes bubble universes to form, there's potential laws of physics outside of the universe that we don't know about that causes universes to form.
        Supernatural here is way too broad of a term when the conclusion you're trying to imply is God is the cause.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >N-no you can't just say that the cause of the universe is not entirely known!!
        >Well of course God had no cause that's obvious!

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >hurrr creation was created, therefore Creator must've been created too
          Atheism is for midwits who want to appear smart, they adopt it because they were told it's the "smart" thing to believe. Watch him cite some ~~*study*~~ that affirms his beliefs now while still incapable of wrapping his head around the concept of an Almighty God or God's self-existence because he's so "smart".

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            New studies find that jesus was a camel jockey israelite and you kneel for a guy who looked like osama

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              Why would a person from Judea look like an Arab? Pic related is how people from that time and place depicted themselves.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Lol how are you pretending to be the intelligent one when you claim that your god has always existed immediately after saying that the constituent ingredients of the universe must’ve been created? That is so retarded it’s unfathomable.

            > my god no creator because I say so!

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              The time-space-matter continuum physical universe couldn't have had an infinite past. It's scientifically impossibly by the laws of thermodynamics alone.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                that's not actually true though. what couldn't have existed is a static universe that has stars, galaxies and planets infinitely into the past.
                The Big Bang being the start of time is a possibility (and thus the start of causality, the so-called "uncaused cause"), and the inflation period of the early universe may extend infinitely back in time so there never was a Big Bang singularity. In other words, the Universe further back in time shrinks to an infinitely smaller space just as it expands infinitely forward in time.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                It is true. And I feel dumber having skimmed your rationalization.

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    If deism is true (God exists but he doesn't interact with the universe or anything) then it doesn't matter anyway and you may as well be an atheist.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sure but it’s just a matter of what’s true. There is no practical difference.

      Not calling you out but the fact that people here openly choose a belief based on behaviors or lifestyles they think it leads to besides the validity of the founding claim itself is crazy.

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    They think it's a foot in the door before they start you on talking snakes, virgin births and magic israelites.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lol it’s definitely not. If anything it’s a solid foundation outside of Jesus town.

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christian apologists don't know what Deism is

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    noone has taken diesm seriously for a long while. they all got replaced by athiests (as deism was just a transition phase intellectually)

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you will not hear the truth, no one can tell you.

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >enters the thread
    >"Christ has risen"
    >refuses to elaborate
    >leaves

  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I do, so?

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