Pagans always use the excuse they’re mere representations when you point out their gods die to mere gravity, and also God does all the work with the Eucharist, all the priest does is ask
It’s literally not flesh and blood. It’s literally a bread wafer. The priest doesn’t actually turn it into flesh, it’s a trick. I cannot think of a dumber trick to fall for, honestly a problem that you have the right to vote.
Not inside it, that’s the Lutheran heresy of Consubstantiation, the true Catholic dogma is that the elements fully transform into the body and blood of Christ, and are fully the body and blood of Christ with no bread or wine in them
Theophagy is a beyond ancient practice that is found nearly everywhere in legend and ritual. Maybe because you want the gods strength or a closer bond?
Well in the old covenant era you had to eat the sacrifice for it to work, and now Jesus fulfilled the law by making one sacrifice to end them all, but we still have to eat the flesh of it to feel the effects
>the true Catholic dogma is that the elements fully transform into the body and blood of Christ
It's so stupid. I'm sure even Jesus and the apostles all understood that it was a symbolic and/or spiritual gesture.
Jesus was made of bread and had wine for blood. What, do you think he was just speaking to the group using language meant to be rhetorical / hyperbolic for the purposes of underlining how solemn and serious this last meal was together?
No, he literally meant that this is objectively and scientifically his blood and his flesh. If you strip away the voodoo sorcery, what are you left with? A bunch of useless sayings and lectures?
If meme communication bread of weird American denomination were considered to be transubstantiated, the shit in the pic would be host desecration. You could get burned alive for that shit.
Back in catholic school there was a meme that throwing the communion wafer into a toilet would make the toilet bowl full of blood, but I never tried it.
Not a cracker. The unleavened bread that has been traditionally eaten during Passover, since the time of Moses.
The concept that is believed Catholics (and other sects of Christianity) is called 'Transubstantiation'.
Catholics have so much to offer... but they die on the weirdest hills. It's weird. >Jesus was bread
my boy JC spoke in parables half the time >priests/popes can't get married
following Peter's example... of... being married? >praying to Mary
all you had to do was say praying WITH Mary and the Charismatic Movement wouldn't have happened
can't get married >following Peter's example... of... being married?
Yea but that's a church rule that they can change if they want. Apparently it's made because they wanted to keep the church property within the church and inheritance messes with that
Yep, married men can be made rite priests can but they’re ordinations are still valid, the only thing they can’t do is marry once they’ve been ordained (decided at Nicaea)
And there are people that spend every waking moment shaking in rage that other's moms didn't make them go to church on a sunday morning.
It's all fucking bullshit if you ask me.
Yes they believe a dead israelite turns into a biscuit. There are even some low-iq retards who think there were "miracles" where biscuits were tested in a lab had traces of dead israelite.
If the Eucharist is "literally" blood then why can it not be used for transfusions?
can't get married >following Peter's example... of... being married?
Yea but that's a church rule that they can change if they want. Apparently it's made because they wanted to keep the church property within the church and inheritance messes with that
>religious rules for the protection of material goods
Damn the more i think about this the more it looks like some sort of scam.
>It has the physical appearance of the species are identical to bread and wine, but they part of the body and blood of Jesus Christ in fact
My God do I have Christian fatigue
>If the Eucharist is "literally" blood then why can it not be used for transfusions?
It is literally incompatible with all of man, being the blood of god. It has an unique type.
I grew up non-religious and always enjoyed reading about religion from a historical perspective. I'm not a fedora-tipping atheist irl
But my god does stuff like transubstantiation transform me into one. I know it's a meme or whatever, "hurr silly christians thinks bread turns into flesh," but if you set aside your upbringing and long-held cultural traditions and take a good honest look at the claim that bread turns into flesh and wine turns into blood, I don't know how an honest person in connection with reality comes away from that analysis with the conclusion that it's true. It makes no sense whatsoever. It's so obviously demonstrable as a falsehood that scholars had to engage in pilpul-levels of twisted aristotilean philosophy to say "it doesn't actually turn into the body of christ, but it really turns into it" (or whatever the phrasing is, I don't care about to look it up).
As an outsider who goes to mass every weekend with my tradcath wife, it strikes me as a ritual designed to be as irrational as possible in order to establish a state of non-questioning acceptance for worshippers.
Shouldn't every Christian?
So what's the difference between thinking Jesus is in the cracker and Shiva is in the wood statue?
The body and blood are the literal body and blood, so worshipping it is more logical than a mere representation
Also shiva is a false god
>worshipping it is more logical than a mere representation
What makes you think Hindus don't think the Shiva statues aren't Shiva?
>Also shiva is a false god
So making your god into a material object is ok as long as it's your god?
Pagans always use the excuse they’re mere representations when you point out their gods die to mere gravity, and also God does all the work with the Eucharist, all the priest does is ask
>when you point out their gods die to mere gravity,
And yours dies every day in your mouth? I don't get it.0xxds
Would you believe in Aristotelian hylomorphism if you weren't a Christian?
It’s literally not flesh and blood. It’s literally a bread wafer. The priest doesn’t actually turn it into flesh, it’s a trick. I cannot think of a dumber trick to fall for, honestly a problem that you have the right to vote.
>The priest doesn’t actually turn it into flesh,
He doesn't, god does. 🙂
The only difference is Shiva isn't God (a literal demon actually)
Shiva is the god of the Aryans.
Is knowing they came from a nation of demon worshippers before they were accepted into Israel the reason they are so pro-interracial these days?
Not inside it, that’s the Lutheran heresy of Consubstantiation, the true Catholic dogma is that the elements fully transform into the body and blood of Christ, and are fully the body and blood of Christ with no bread or wine in them
>Cannibalism
>n000 it’s the sacramental mode
Honestly, why would you want to eat your god?
Theophagy is a beyond ancient practice that is found nearly everywhere in legend and ritual. Maybe because you want the gods strength or a closer bond?
Well in the old covenant era you had to eat the sacrifice for it to work, and now Jesus fulfilled the law by making one sacrifice to end them all, but we still have to eat the flesh of it to feel the effects
>the true Catholic dogma is that the elements fully transform into the body and blood of Christ
It's so stupid. I'm sure even Jesus and the apostles all understood that it was a symbolic and/or spiritual gesture.
>Jesus' main method of preaching is through parables
NO THIS CAN'T BE SYMBOLIC
so uhh...why does it still taste look and smell like bread and wine?
Jesus was made of bread and had wine for blood. What, do you think he was just speaking to the group using language meant to be rhetorical / hyperbolic for the purposes of underlining how solemn and serious this last meal was together?
No, he literally meant that this is objectively and scientifically his blood and his flesh. If you strip away the voodoo sorcery, what are you left with? A bunch of useless sayings and lectures?
If meme communication bread of weird American denomination were considered to be transubstantiated, the shit in the pic would be host desecration. You could get burned alive for that shit.
*Communion bread
Back in catholic school there was a meme that throwing the communion wafer into a toilet would make the toilet bowl full of blood, but I never tried it.
No that's just Mary having her period
No
catholics delude themselves into believing that.
Not a cracker. The unleavened bread that has been traditionally eaten during Passover, since the time of Moses.
The concept that is believed Catholics (and other sects of Christianity) is called 'Transubstantiation'.
In the Church it was historically leavened bread.
Catholics have so much to offer... but they die on the weirdest hills. It's weird.
>Jesus was bread
my boy JC spoke in parables half the time
>priests/popes can't get married
following Peter's example... of... being married?
>praying to Mary
all you had to do was say praying WITH Mary and the Charismatic Movement wouldn't have happened
can't get married
>following Peter's example... of... being married?
Yea but that's a church rule that they can change if they want. Apparently it's made because they wanted to keep the church property within the church and inheritance messes with that
>It's very important you keep losing random churches and abbeys in inheritance disputes with the eldest son of a random parish priest.
Yep, married men can be made rite priests can but they’re ordinations are still valid, the only thing they can’t do is marry once they’ve been ordained (decided at Nicaea)
no he's inside the ceremony
There are actually people here that spend every waking moment shaking in rage that their mom made them go to church on sunday morning
And there are people that spend every waking moment shaking in rage that other's moms didn't make them go to church on a sunday morning.
It's all fucking bullshit if you ask me.
Bro, bro, I'm a vampyr, pass me the blood *hic*
Yes they believe a dead israelite turns into a biscuit. There are even some low-iq retards who think there were "miracles" where biscuits were tested in a lab had traces of dead israelite.
If the Eucharist is "literally" blood then why can it not be used for transfusions?
>religious rules for the protection of material goods
Damn the more i think about this the more it looks like some sort of scam.
Because it is the ultimate test of cathcuck epistemological vassalship
>You WILL believe the wine is blood
>You WILL believe the cookie is flesh
>You WILL believe down is up
>You WILL believe jesus is god
>If the Eucharist is "literally" blood then why can it not be used for transfusions?
the success of transfusions depends heavily upon the accidents.
It has the physical appearance of the species are identical to bread and wine, but they part of the body and blood of Jesus Christ in fact
>It has the physical appearance of the species are identical to bread and wine, but they part of the body and blood of Jesus Christ in fact
My God do I have Christian fatigue
>If the Eucharist is "literally" blood then why can it not be used for transfusions?
It is literally incompatible with all of man, being the blood of god. It has an unique type.
God's blood is literally booze?
It is heresy to say the Holy Eucharist has any alcohol in it
Is the RCC calling breathalyzers heretical now?
It might have the physical appearance and effects of alcohol but it has no alcohol in it, it has no natural explanation
If Christina’s wanna be so insistent that they’re literally cannibals, then they should be arrested for cannibalism.
>believing in magic israelites
>perfectly reasonable
>believing in magic cookies
>a step too far
I grew up non-religious and always enjoyed reading about religion from a historical perspective. I'm not a fedora-tipping atheist irl
But my god does stuff like transubstantiation transform me into one. I know it's a meme or whatever, "hurr silly christians thinks bread turns into flesh," but if you set aside your upbringing and long-held cultural traditions and take a good honest look at the claim that bread turns into flesh and wine turns into blood, I don't know how an honest person in connection with reality comes away from that analysis with the conclusion that it's true. It makes no sense whatsoever. It's so obviously demonstrable as a falsehood that scholars had to engage in pilpul-levels of twisted aristotilean philosophy to say "it doesn't actually turn into the body of christ, but it really turns into it" (or whatever the phrasing is, I don't care about to look it up).
As an outsider who goes to mass every weekend with my tradcath wife, it strikes me as a ritual designed to be as irrational as possible in order to establish a state of non-questioning acceptance for worshippers.
Most dont.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/08/05/transubstantiation-eucharist-u-s-catholics/
and?
The substance is changed not the exterior and how that happens is a mystery, why is that hard to understand?
>Do Catholics believe Jesus exists inside a cracker?
Don't you?
>all matter in the universe has a common origin
>
I like the follow-up question more tbh.
>Is the bread fully Jesus or is it both Jesus and bread at the same time?