Do atheists understand concepts like transcendence? It is great hubris for humans to claim there can be no such thing as a higher power when even our own universe - a material realm - is poorly understood by modern science.
Do atheists understand concepts like transcendence?
Anything supernatural is a cope for something you don't understand (yet). So that's rich coming from a religionfag. Atheists admit this and say "We don't know yet," Godfags screech "UMMMMM IT'S AKSHUALLY GOD/ANGELS/SPIRITS/DEVILS", until science figures it out of course. Then religionfags move the goalposts yet again, ever shrinking what God is supposedly doing. Back when we humans didn't understand anything, God/spirits explained everything that happened, for example you got a disease? Well that means God struck you for your sins. Now we know the real reason, so God doesn't factor in. We've figured out so much, God has retreated into being a nebulous concept you make up copes for. And it will just keep getting worse as you shift the goalposts into the tiniest little corner of the field.
>We don't know yet, but DON'T YOU DARE FUCKING SAY IT WAS GOD
This. Every time we didn't know yet, but then found out later, it wasn't god. God is just a lame cop out.
>Every time we didn't know yet, but then found out later, it wasn't god.
Name three specific instances in which a natural phenomenon previously attributed to a monotheistic God was replaced with a naturalistic theory.
all pandemics in history.
People had naturalistic explanations for diseases and pandemics before germ theory. Those explanations were wrong, but they had them.
Some tard is going to come along with the Galileo example, as if that wasn't just an error in human reasoning from the leaders of the Church.
The idea that physics or biology disproves the existence of a higher power is hilarious. If the universe was created by an omnipotent being, why is that being implanting a set of rules and laws into that universe unthinkable?
rules and laws are human construct to describe things. the universe simply is.
99% of what you used to say was God, turned out not to be God, and then you coped and moved the goalposts again. Based on these trends, there's no reason to believe it's le God. It's just something we don't know yet. That's called being sane and rational.
Yes.
What do you mean "turned out not to be God"? I don't understand.
For example, you catching smallpox was not a curse from God like people would've said back then. Lightning/earthquakes/volcanic eruptions were not God/gods getting angry. Finding game to hunt was not a blessing from God/gods. Becoming pregnant was not a blessing from God/gods. We've since figured all this out, thus God has retreated.
Numbers and Mathematics aren't real either.
You just choose to worship matter, when science can't even explain exactly what matter is. You just worship yourself and the utterly theoretical idea you can do anything you want, that in reality you are very far from achieving it and that sounds even more ridiculous.
You just use science as a shield when it fits your worldview, just like trannies do.
You're unironically a lunatic and need help.
ad hominem, no argument.
Yet it's true. You're gibbering like a homeless crackhead. Also you strawmanned me so you committed logical fallacy first. Sucks to suck.
zero arguments
but I proposed arguments, even if you chose to not see them
Sperging out like a crackhead at a strawman is not an argument. Calling someone a tranny is not an argument. Time to go back to the drawing board, religionbros.
labeling your opponent as a tranny is an ad hominem
And it's not great hubris to say that the entire universe was created for you by a supernatural being who loves you very much?
Doesn't have to love us. It could be an uncaring God for all we know
I'm an agnostic
My "true self" is what I am. There is nothing higher than me or more to me than what I am. If I'm "a peasant" who "doesn't deserve desirable things" in the material realm then that's all I am. God terrorizes me if I even think about anything desirable, if I fantasize about having a desirable life he says I have "delusions of grandeur" meanwhile he tries to self-identify as more than his SOLE FRAME OF REFERENCE and only persistently real person in material reality because he's a stupid retard with delusions of grandeur. God's fantasies of being something more than me are just as IMMATERIAL, NOT REAL, DELUSIONAL as my fantasies, the difference is I know my fantasies aren't real and I fantasize about things for my own entertainment whereas god has genuine delusions of grandeur, believing he's more than he manifests himself as. You aren't more than what you manifest as you stupid retard. I am what you are in the material realm and the material realm is the only thing that's real, everything else is a DELUSION and you say so yourself, if it's a delusion when I fantasize about being more than I am then you are also delusional when you self-identify as more than you manifest as. Your insipid immaterial fantasies aren't reality, I'm reality.
The issue is “something is unknowm ergo it’s this specific religion.”
Anon, there are a lot of things in this universe than cannot be observed directly, but can still be inferred indirectly via experimentation and gathering evidence. Atheists are aware that humans are imperfect observers, and we even often have our own biases and subjective experiences, but thats exactly why the scientific method exists to begin with, in order to weed out subjective differences between observers, and when we do come across uncertainty, such as the speed and position of quantum particles, we take that into consideration. Scientists admit they're wrong constantly, and we're always revising scientific models. This is exactly what makes it superior to religion, religion, by its very nature, cannot change. Atheists aren't even saying there cannot be a deeper meaning behind things, we ultimately do not know why we're here and whether or not we serve a larger purpose, those are outside the scope of what we can observe, all we're saying is that a personal God in the image of humans probably doesn't exist. It would be arrogant to think he does. Humans are not the center of the universe.
>Scientists admit they're wrong constantly,
Scientists are not monolithic.
A bunch have been wrong about covid and won't admit it.
What did scientists get wrong about covid that they wont admit to?
Masks.
Had people wasting time and resources with cotton and nylon masks that can't stop most sneeze drops, nevermind a virus.
The effectiveness of masks varied considerably, but by all accounts they were still better than simply wearing nothing. I don't believe total lockdowns were justified, but thats not a scientific issue, that was a government response and policy issue.
>just jumps from atheists to scientists
what a ridiculous sleight of hand you pulled off here. There are plenty of scientists that are religious.
Also LOL really do atheists look at themselves as scientists? On average they barely comprehend pop science lmao.
"religious scientists" are an oxymoron, sure they exist, but that doesn't mean they aren't being intellectually dishonest. "Christian Atheism" is also a thing by the way
On what level is it an oxymoron? How are they mutually exclusive? If you believe in a God, then you believe that God created all the laws that govern our universe.
But if you reduce the role of God to just some nebulous prime mover with no direct bearing on reality beyond its creation, then could you really still be considered religious? Theistic or spiritual sure, but I wouldn't call that particularly religious, not like you would have to go to Church or read a bible in that case.
Well, that's why I'm an agnostic, leaning towards the existence of some kind of higher power out there.
you're a joke without any idea you're talking about.
Science was and is all about the study of the natural world. Metaphysics, philosophy or religion are all outside the self-defined scope of science. There has been actually a lot of scientific discoveries that fell inline with the, say, Catholic worldview (Big Bang, life beginning at conception).
Science never had the goal to disprove God as you think, and plenty of scientists were and are inspired and motivated by the idea of knowing the works of God more closely and intimately.
You can believe in some higher being withoiut being religious though
OP here
This is what I believe too, that some higher power exists, but I don't begrudge people for being devoted to a specific religion.
Atheism as little to do with anythig besides "do you believe god exists?"
atheism crumbles in the face of transcendental arguments
>atheism crumbles when I make up my own reality in my head like Chris-chan
Sure.
cope
Okay goddess blue-heart.
cope
So you're just going to act like a 10 year old nigglet repeating this and not actually give any of these magical arguments that BTFO atheism epic style huh? Typical brain damaged Godfag
*made up arguments
yes for an argument to exist someone has to make the argument.
is this how low iq atheists are?
All arguments have to be discovered, midwit
no they don't
you're just further proving your retardation
Yesthey do, looks like you have a lot to learn.
>these arguments totally btfo atheism
>but I can't show them rn sorry
Every time
Just provide some actual evidence for supernatural bullshit and we'll all be good.
Atheism is for 2- to 3-Dimensional people.
if you believe in 4 or more dimensions - it's not really for you