Did the samurais manage to defeat the Mongols or was it simply the storm that stopped the invasion?

Did the samurais manage to defeat the Mongols or was it simply the storm that stopped the invasion?

  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    holy shit the ghost of tsushima just flew over my house

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    actively contested landings are not exactly easy.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The response by the Japanese were extremely poor in the first invasion. The Shogunate had to undergo intensive reforms to be able to deal with the Mongols in the second invasion

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    the storms were overblown but did help. The Mongols were stopped in their tracks and could not reach the Japanese headquarters in Kyushu so they were unable to swiftly capture the political base and so were unable to project power on the island and were crushed on the coast of Kyushu

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    They weren't the OG mongols, they were the Chink spin off that collapsed a couple of decades later.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They weren't the OG mongols
      they were. This was during the reign of Kublai Khan. Mongol simps are pretty fucking pathetic. Even the Yuan Dynasty on its own accounted for half of the Mongol Empire

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They weren't the OG mongols
      they were. This was during the reign of Kublai Khan. Mongol simps are pretty fucking pathetic. Even the Yuan Dynasty on its own accounted for half of the Mongol Empire

      just on the other day someone here said during Kublai's reign 90% of army was Han

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >just on the other day someone here said during Kublai's reign 90% of army was Han
        The Mongols always used conquered conscripts long before Kublai. The Mongols only ever maintined a majority mongol army until the initial expansion.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        The entire reason why Mongols were effective was because they were a modern meritocratic army that accepted anyone and promoted solely based on performance.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >modern meritocratic army
          yikes. They conscripted the conquered.
          >that accepted anyone and promoted solely based on performance.
          non-mongols could not rise that high. There was a way but it involved being uprooted and sent to another part of the empire among foreigners with an example being Persians and Central Asians as bureaucrats and tax collectors in China.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          The Yuan army had a racial structure that more important then experience

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The "OG mongols" would have performed even worse. The conscripts they got from what used to be Jin and Song at least had some naval experience.

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    If the storms didn't happen, Japan would have been conquered and world history would have turned out different.

    Real life is not anime, the samurai would have been squashed like fleas.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      if you actually read about the invasions you'd laugh at your post

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ok I did, and I'm laughing at how right my post is

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Well you're completely wrong. The entire 2nd invasion force was kept in check on the coasts of Kyushu and forced to retreat

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    mongol are bad at maritime, and guerilla warfare. they even fail to invade java

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bit of both.

    Amphibious invasions are hard, difficult to supply, and frankly miserable especially for soldiers unaccustomed to naval warfare. The mongols were using mainly Chinese conscript sailors, who obviously didn't want to be there, and the mongols themselves weren't suited to getting on a ship for a few days, landing with seasickness and weary horses, and launching an invasion.

    The storm just made everything worst, while the samurai had much better terrain and home ground advantage.

    The first invasion basically failed because the mongols were too exhausted from fighting contested landings to keep going, without rest or supplies.

    The second invasion was even worse because they charged a fortified beachhead/wall. The invasion was already going poorly before a fucking typhoon slaps the Mongols, and instead of deciding to retreat, they were pretty much slaughtered after the storm wrecked their fleet and stranded their armies.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Amphibious invasions are hard, difficult to supply, and frankly miserable especially for soldiers unaccustomed to naval warfare. The mongols were using mainly Chinese conscript sailors, who obviously didn't want to be there, and the mongols themselves weren't suited to getting on a ship for a few days, landing with seasickness and weary horses, and launching an invasion.
      half of the invasion force were koreans who did have knowledge of naval affairs (they told the mongols invading was a bad idea)

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      If the Mongols wanted their invasion to be a success they would have needed to rush and take Dazaifu which would allow them to bring Kyushu to heel and give them a base of operations to advance to the other Japanese islands

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mongol officers were pants on head kind of retarded and refused taking advice from more locally experienced Korean officers. Also apparently Yuan troops didn't do so well after landing compared to the auxillaries.

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    there was no effective way to transport large quantities of horses or livestock across seas until waaaaaaaaaaay later. animals hate getting on ships and frequently die from the stress.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tell that to the Normans

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        the normans had to cross a much shorter stretch of much calmer water, and then had several days to recover before fighting.

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Jomon lead viking raids into north east Asia against mongols.

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