Did the Hebrews literally invent the idea of “subhumans” with terms like gentiles and goyim? Did they actually invent racism???


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Did the Hebrews literally invent the idea of “subhumans” with terms like gentiles and goyim?

Did they actually invent racism???

  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    They refer to the goyim as being stupid and easily manipulated like cattle, and believe that it’s okay to lie to them and manipulate them, because they deserve it for being so stupid. This shit is literally written in the tanakh lmao

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      where

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          No

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          baVa meTzia, 114b:

          The amora proceeded to ask Elijah a different question and said to him: Is not the Master a priest? What is the reason that the Master is standing in a cemetery? Elijah said to him: Has the Master not studied the mishnaic order of Teharot? As it is taught in a baraita: Rabbi Shimon ben Yoḥai says that the graves of gentiles do not render one impure, as it is stated: “And you, My sheep, the sheep of My pasture, are man” (Ezekiel 34:31), which teaches that you, i.e., the israeli people, are called “man,” but gentiles are not called “man.” Since the Torah states with regard to ritual impurity imparted in a tent: “If a man dies in a tent” (Numbers 19:14), evidently impurity imparted by a tent does not apply to gentiles.

          hilarious gotcha, but I don't see anything about goyim being stupid and easily manipulated, and if anything israelites are equated to sheep in this story.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well, wouldn't that be natural selection, survival of the fittest?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ironic when they’ve literally never been a landed people and have specialized in immoral occupations for as long as we have recorded history.

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    The word "goy" means nation or people, and there's nothing derogatory about it. In the Bible the Hebrews are called a "Goy Kadosh," meaning a holy nation or people.

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Tanakh says nothing of the such.

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not really. israelites originally believed one could be made into a israelite by simply converting to Judaism. They don’t believe gentiles are inherently subhuman like Germans believed with other races.

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    that would be retarded as israelites were victims in the bible and not some conquering force over other nations.

    israeli anthem isn't aggressive but somber unlike other nations which glorify violence and aggression.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >israelites were victims in the bible and not some conquering force over other nations.
      uh, maybe read the thing. they conquer and genocide a BUNCH of people

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Read the book of Joshua lmao

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >that would be retarded as israelites were victims in the bible and not some conquering force over other nations.
      Only in the later books, mostly written during or after the whole Babylonian fiasco. Before then the conquered and genocided shit like tomorrow. Just read anything post Exodus dude

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Exodus, Numbers, and Joshua are not historical at all.
        Israelites did not conquer Canaan, they were the Canaanites they later claimed to have genocided. Essentially, this emerged out of the Yahweh-alone movement arguing certain gods should not be worshipped because they were foreign, but often what they targeted were native to Israel, and had been practiced for hundreds of years. Now how do you convince people these religious practices their ancestors had practiced themselves should not be done because they're foreign? You tell them that their ancestors were corrupted by an ancient people that used to live in the land into worshipping their gods.

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    A goy!

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    they probably copied egyptian attitudes.

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >goy
    Originally means "people" or "nation".
    >gentile
    Latin word.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      it always meant OTHER people or nations.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        in this context, yes, but Israel is also called a "goy" in the Hebrew Bible. "the nations" (goyim) often referred to all the other nations collectively, and it wasn't pejoratively. The negative connotation of the word doesn't occur until the Talmud.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          how did people know the words of hebrew and what they meant was there a dictionary?
          supposedly words change meaning overtime

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >how did people know the words of hebrew and what they meant was there a dictionary?
            Nigga, you can learn biblical hebrew today if you wanted. I've taken a course on biblical hebrew.

            >supposedly words change meaning overtime
            This is true, and there are certain passages in the Hebrew Bible where the exact meaning is obscure, but this is not one of them.
            The prose of the first few chapters of Genesis is not that difficult to read, it's what you have beginners read as practice.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              was there a dictionary which people read from since the bibles creation which kept the same meaning to every word?

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                I never claimed the meaning of words or words themselves never changed over time, but we have a good understanding of those changes in biblical times, and we have no problem reading Hebrew texts from the 9th-6th century B.C.

                Like, what is exactly are you even claiming? Languages change over time so when God said "flood" the original text may meant locusts? You've raised a very interesting question but are applying it in the dumbest way imaginable.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Like, what is exactly are you even claiming? Languages change over time so when God said "flood" the original text may meant locusts? You've raised a very interesting question but are applying it in the dumbest way imaginable.
                Sort of like when you read an old text in English that talks about gay people.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                The vast majority of Hebrew words are used dozens or hundreds of times and we can understand their meaning(s) from the contexts. In effect, the Bible works as a good dictionary. (We also have an extensive closely related Ugaritic corpus, and comparative linguistics can get help from more distantly related languages like Arabic).
                But for some words used only rarely or once, the reverse does happen and we may only guess at the precise meaning. For example, Joseph's coat was either "many-colored" or "long-sleeved", but since that exact term is used only twice ever, we're not exactly sure even with the help of archeology (e.g. paintings of Canaanite clothing) which of the two translations is the correct one.

                >Like, what is exactly are you even claiming? Languages change over time so when God said "flood" the original text may meant locusts? You've raised a very interesting question but are applying it in the dumbest way imaginable.
                Sort of like when you read an old text in English that talks about gay people.

                Semantic shift in Hebrew happened to a way lesser degree than from Old to Modern English, for example. While some older books and fragments exist, most of the OT was written within three centuries during and after the Babylonian Exile.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not really.
        It's kinda late where I live so goodnight.

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Goy is basically what the romans call a tribe/nation, aka gentes.

    Which is the reason the term is translated as gentile.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      And just like hebrew, gentes can be self-identifying.

      In my romance language, one of our songs speaks of the latin gentes(aka romance-speaking Europe).

  10. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    israelites are the ultimate supremacists. They were from time immemorial, and still are today. And yet they keep whining about 'white supremacism', white 'racism', etc.. Fucking hypocrites.

  11. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Goyim/Gentile means nations and is pretty neutral in the New Testament. Talmudic subhuman tenets came like 500 years after Christ. You know who really had a term for other races and saw them as subhumans? The Greeks.That term is "Barbarian" and according to Aristotle, the Barbarians actually were subhuman: he believed they were uniquely more servile and less free-spirited than the Greeks and Greeks alone. And this meant they were "natural slaves" and thus more fit to servitude, which is why he felt they were so submissive to totalitarian Persian emperors (so-called "oriental despotism"). If anything, the Talmud might have got its ideas from Hellenistic influence.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      To add, Thracians also means barbarian and then it evolved into Slavs

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, the Thracian branch of the Geto-Thracians was half Indo-Iranian

  12. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    No.

    G-d gave different rules (ways) to serve Him to different groups of people. While israelites are to follow 613 Commandments since the giving of the Torah at Mount Sinai (see https://www.gospeloutreach.net/613laws.html ), the non-israelites, the rest of humanity, Noah's descendants, are to follow the Seven Noachide Laws, which were the same Laws Noah had to follow.

    It's all part of worship of the same, one and only G-d, and within the same current of spirituality, it's all part of our human relationship with the Almighty.

  13. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    A lot of them seem to act like it
    They definitely view themselves as superior in the sense that they believe themselves to be the leaders of earth and mankind

  14. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Racial supremacy is actually okay if you couch it in your schizo Bronze Age mythology. God I hate heebs

  15. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    chkd

    Yes. They did.

  16. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Were these terms necessarily racial? The Bible favorably describes israelites of many different backgrounds, even Ethiopians. One of Moses's wives was an Ethiopian, though others think she was a Midianite (Bedouin). King Solomon was married to Pharaoh's daughter, an Egyptian. There are many examples of this.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      goy is not racial in the OT. it literally means nation. Some biblical books express xenophobia (Deuteronomy, Ezra, etc) and some express openness to foreigners (Jeremiah, Ruth). Like all things the Bible is a mixed bag.

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