Did South Africa try to have any actual arguments to justify apartheid?
Did South Africa try to have any actual arguments to justify apartheid?
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Not really, no.
Yes, black people were migrants to South Africa, except the Khoisan. The Zulus genocided the Xhosa in a much more brutal manner, impaling any who did not escape them, yet no one asked them to give everything they had to the remaining Xhosa despite being generations removed from the initial atrocity. South Africans were obviously being held to different standards just because they were white.
There was no real moral argument against South Africans considering themselves the only real citizens of white areas (everything except Natal and maybe Khoisan reservations) and black people just visitors subject to restrictions at their discretion.
No Historian consider that the Bantu migration was a clean, proper migration that replaced a 100% Khoi-san/pygmee population with a 100% Bantu one, but rather the result of centuries of mutual cultural influence (first through trade, the. Coexisting population inhabiting different ecological niche) and admixture, Tswana are around 20-25% Khoisan for exemple, Xhosa around 15%
And then of course there are weird case
Say the Namibian Damara (relevant since they had their own bantustan) are genetically 85%+ bantu but speak a Khoekhoe Languages and have Khoekhoe culture, are they natives or not?
the idea that KhoiKhoi speakers were "capoid" people is incorrect.
The KhoiKhoi originalyl came from east africa and probably looked like Sandawe east africans (sort of like pygmies).
It's only from assimilating local San people in the cape did they gain that appearance.
If west africans were native to south africa it would look like Nigeria
>Literally no sources exempt some LULZ fantasy
>Yes, black people were migrants to South Africa
>except the Khoisan
who were also oppressed under apartheid
>Zulus genocided the Xhosa
Wait you genuinely think the Bantu migration was peaceful?
not that anon
>Wait you genuinely think the Bantu migration was peaceful?
Do you have a source that it was violent?
>There are other peoples all over below the Congo
>Bantus start migrating
>They are no longer there now
gee I wonder what happened
Which people aren't in the Southern African region today?
>Yes, black people were migrants to South Africa, except the Khoisan.
That's a modern /misc/ack argument. Did they also use it during the apartheid? If yes, could you give any source?
The lie of "separate development."
Itegrating the clusterfuck of different ethnicities who didn't like each other into a single society probably wasn't feasible
The tendency in Africa for nations to become independent, and at the same time to do justice to all, does not only mean being just to the black man of Africa, but also to be just to the white man of Africa.
We call ourselves European, but actually we represent the white men of Africa. They are the people not only in the Union but through major portions of Africa who brought civilisation here, who made the present developments of black nationalists possible. By bringing them education, by showing them this way of life, by bringing in industrial development, by bringing in the ideals which western civilisation has developed itself.
And the white man came to Africa, perhaps to trade, in some cases, perhaps to bring the gospel; has remained to stay. And particularly we in this southern most portion of Africa, have such a stake here that this is our only motherland, we have no where else to go. We set up a country bare, and the Bantu came in this country and settled certain portions for themselves, and it is in line with the thinking of Africa, to grant those fullest rights which we also with you admit all people should have and believe providing those rights for those people in the fullest degree in that part of southern Africa which their forefathers found for themselves and settled in. But similarly, we believe in balance, we believe in allowing exactly those same full opportunities to remain within the grasp of the white man who has made all this possible.
>has remained to stay. And particularly we in this southern most portion of Africa, have such a stake here that this is our only motherland, we have no where else to go.
>Or at least we will wait for the next conservative government in the US and Australia to come back into power so that we can fake another white genocide in an effort to get visas to those countries.
>But we love Africa. Its our Motherland.We really do
Those were Verwoerd's words.
There is no "white man of Africa" you deluded retard.
bantus did of course migrate to south africa at some point, but this point was well before jan van riebeeck landed in 1652. that's why their languages are not only endemic to south africa, their language families are completely endemic to south africa.
That is south african bantu languages to non-south african are like icelandic or faorese are to dutch and english. they are a separate branch of the language family. That doesn't happen in 300 years.
also most bantu tribes incorporated Khoi people into them. For example there are clans of Xhosas that are basically just San/Khoi tribes that adopted Xhosa language and culture.
they were classified as coloureds under apartheid and oppressed vis-a-vis whites.
>Zulus genocided Xhosas
as i said untrue. Zulus had their wars against people in Natal and to an extent transvaal (so sepedi people for example). They didn't extensively go after the eastern cape which the British had already made big inroads into.
The Xhosa genocided themselves.
Going from an outlier in Africa regarding living standards, having its own nuclear weapons program before it was cool for pariah states to do it vs the corrupt, anarchic shithole it is now? Hmm…
>Going from an outlier in Africa regarding living standards
First world living standards for the white population while the majority black population had to live in third world conditions.
> having its own nuclear weapons program before it was cool for pariah states to do
Spent billions on a wasteful,nonsensical nuclear nuclear weapons programme instead of using the money to build schools,hospitals universities etc.
>it vs the corrupt, anarchic shithole it is now?
Apartheid South Africa was a corrupt,anarchic shithole. Open a book.
>the majority black population had to live in third world conditions.
What conditions did they live in before apartheid?
Before 1948? Still restrictive but not as elaborately repressive
>What conditions did they live in before apartheid
"Portuguese travelers and sailors shipwrecked along the coast in the seventeenth century reported seeing great concentrations of people living in apparent prosperity."
The bantus who make up most blacks in the country today killed those native khoisan
>The bantus who make up most blacks in the country today killed those native khoisan
Not even Khoisan groups make those claims.The Boers in South Africa however issued the last permit in 1936 to German settlers in Namibia to legally hunt Khoisan.
Pretty sure it was decades later than 1936
Alright, real talk. Why does Lesotho exist?
Buffer between the orange free state and british natal
None other than whites being evil fucks like usual. Pretty happy those Boers are getting what they deserve now.
>Pretty happy those Boers are getting what they deserve now.
They really aren't. They love to exaggerate.
yes, blacks were in the de facto Stone Age when whites arrived. they needed centuries, or even millennia, to develop on their own before becoming integrated. its like bringing a cavemen into your house
have you ever lived near them
No, not really. They didn’t really have to worry because they we’re anti communist, so they got western support. Then they just crossed their fingers and hoped everyone would forget or something after the Soviet Union fell.
De Klerk was the only one who realized that his country was probably heading towards a race war, and he reacted accordingly.
The end of the Cold War also meant that the ANC lost its main sponsor (the USSR). In theory, this should have been a neutral or even positive development for Pretoria.
Lmao. The country would have probably devolved into civil war if it never thawed. There was a lot of growing ethnic violence, not to mention all the mercenaries.
Reminder that the Bantus literally ate the Khoisan. They slaughtered the men, raped the women and enslaved the children.
Which is why they still exist.
The San survived in the Kalahari desert and the Khoi on the Cape where the temperate climate wasn't suitable for West African-derived tropical agriculture. Both once existed across Southern Africa before the Bantu pushed them beyond the limits of Bantu agriculture.
>Both once existed across Southern Africa before the Bantu pushed them beyond the limits of Bantu agriculture.
The Khoisan and Bantu co-existed in the Eastern Cape which had a temperate climate for agriculture.
>Bantu pushed them beyond the limits of Bantu agriculture.
Impressive that West Africans managed to adapt to a country where temperatures in winter can fall to below zero degrees Celsius at night in the Johannesburg area of South Africa .Only KwaZulu-Natal Province has a tropical climate all year.
The truth is that the Bantus arrived in South Africa at around the same time as the Europeans. No idea how this is even remotely controversial.
It's about rain patterns, not temperature.
>The historical development of farming in Southern Africa exhibits another trajectory that is difficult to model if archaeological and historical data are not taken into account. Archaeologists and historians have known for a long time that the winter rainfall area of Western Cape cannot sustain the African crops sorghum and millet. The agricultural development of African populations hence came to a definite limit in its expansion towards the southwest. It was only with the introduction of European crops that a Mediterranean type of farming system was established.
Bantu arrived earlier in the north and east, but half the country was still Khoisan when the Dutch arrived.
>The truth is that the Bantus arrived in South Africa at around the same time as the Europeans. No idea how this is even remotely controversial
You do since you've been unable to post a source to back up that claim.
completely false see:
"Bantus" arrived thousands of years ago.
Bantu speakers brought dogs (the Africanis breed) to Southern Africa which is how the Khoi got them. Also Bantu and Khoi often traded and exchanged in different ways. You had Khoi influence Bantu faiths as well as being priests for them and you had mixing among them. People say the Xhosa are heavily mixed but in reality people think Mandela is the norm but many other groups have Khoi ancestry. On top of that you had Khoi groups assimilating others such as the Nama in Namibia.
Why does every South Africa thread end up like this
Muh Bantu migration is probably the least interesting aspect of South African history, change the record you utterly boring and repetitive homosexuals
There was some but a lot relied on bullshit that not even they truly believed
>be first world country
>no longer first world country
>white farmers being genocided as we speak
Whatever their arguments were it looks like they were vindicated
South Africa must be the only country in the world who are able to genocide their farmers while at the same time have record export agricultural produce and have enough food left over to feed their own population. Seems those white farmers weren't that good in the first place and in the end were very easliy replaceable .
Yeah there's no way blacks are productive
Collective Boer cop against the Anglos btfoing them and Anglos passing laws that would become the framework for Apartheid