Did Nazi Germany give the status "honorary Aryan" to the Japanese?


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Did Nazi Germany give the status "honorary Aryan" to the Japanese?

They did not. You can read more about this in the thesis by Harumi Shidehara Furuya on "Nazi racism towards the Japanese, Ideology vs Realpolitik". The specific examples and quotes in this answer are taken from that thesis.

To clarify, Aryan means Iranian, it's one of the many variations of the same word, it was created by them since ancient times and it's found exclusively in Indo-Iranian languages. It was misappropriated by some Europeans in the 19th century as they used it as a synonym for languages like German, English, Latin, etc, and then as a racial category for blond northern Europeans. It was believed by them — in a theory that has since been debunked — that there was a race-conscious group who spoke a single language, identified as Aryan, settled Europe, Iran and northern India, and created languages like Persian, Sanskrit, English, German, Latin, etc.

Hitler saw the Japanese as an inferior race, and regarded them with fear and contempt. However, after Germany and Japan became allies, he was forced to hide his true opinions in public and feign politeness.

It's true that the phrase "honorary Aryan" seems to have been circulating as a matter of hearsay during the 1930s. However, no such declaration or official ruling ever seems to have been made by the German authorities, and there is zero evidence that they actually regarded Japanese people as being equal to Aryans.

  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    For example, Countess Hanna von Hatzfeldt was the daughter of a high-ranking Japanese statesman who had married a German woman back in the 1870s; she herself then married a member of the German aristocracy. She was thus classed as a Mischling 1st degree: half-German, half non-Aryan. In 1934 she and her own daughter were denied membership of several prestigious charitable organisations on the grounds of their non-German blood. Two years later, her son-in-law was expelled from the SA and his medical licence was revoked because he was married to a Mischling.

    The Countess wrote to the authorities asking for her family's case to be reconsidered, and mentioned the rumour that the Japanese had been declared honourary Aryans:
    >I have heard from various sources that following a certain incident, the government has issued a formal decree in which all Japanese and their offspring would be considered Ehren Arier.

    However, no such decree existed, as far as we know. Even so, all ended well for the family since they had connections at the highest levels. The German ambassador in Tokyo personally intervened asking for Ausnahmebehandlung ('exceptional treatment') for the family since they were related to the highest ranks of the Japanese nobility.

    This is a case where 'the exception proves the rule': there would be no need to ask for an exception to the rule if the rule did not exist. People of Japanese blood were not considered Aryan, honorary or otherwise; but specific individuals could be granted an exemption from the racial laws if it was politically or diplomatically convenient.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Hanna von Hatzfeldt
      dont care but wow she's pretty

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous
      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm a retarded incel because I'm too socially retarded and ugly to date humans, so I cope with asiatics because they're the easiest to fuck since they're the ugliest
        FTFY.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're just a psychopath incel lol

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >incel calling others "psychopath incel"
            The irony.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Looks like a spic, the very ugly looking ones

        This further proves that race mixed asiatics should be designated as a Mestizo

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    The 'certain incident' mentioned by the Countess von Hatzfeldt might refer to something that happened in October 1933. The Nazis took power earlier that year, and immediately began implementing racist policies against israelites. However, for the most part the laws and regulations they passed did not use the word 'israelites' specifically, but instead referred to 'non-Aryans'.

    This caused much confusion, since nobody — not even the Nazis themselves — were quite sure if the law should literally be applied to all non-Aryans (which would include Finns and Hungarians, not to mention the Japanese) or if 'non-Aryan' was simply a euphemism for 'israeli'. Some government agencies chose to interpret the phrase widely, others narrowly, as they saw fit.

    A draft bill (which would eventually become part of the 1935 Nuremburg Laws) forbidding marriage between Aryan Germans and non-Aryans used the phrase 'israelites and coloured persons' instead: that would help assuage the Finns and Hungarians, but not the Japanese.

    Dr Otto Urhan was a German citizen of mixed race, with a Japanese mother. On 18 May 1933 he was dismissed from his job at the Institute of Biology for Agriculture and Forestry because he did not have pure Aryan blood. At the September Nuremberg rally, Alfred Rosenberg made a speech condeming 'race-mixing' with the 'yellow race'. Both these incidents became front-page news in the Japanese press and were angrily condemned.

    Finally, in October 1933 came the news that the nine-year-old daughter of Dr Takenouchi, a Japanese citizen living in Berlin as a sales executive for a Japanese company, was racially harassed and then physically attacked by other children on her way to school, because she was 'coloured'.

    While this might normally be a minor incident, it happened when the Japanese media was already hyper-alert for signs of German racial prejudice towards them. The story of the innocent Japanese schoolgirl, a victim of Nazi racism, hit the headlines and caused outrage in Japan.

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    The German foreign minister Konstantin von Neurath — who had been appointed to the position before Hitler took power, and remained there until he was replaced by a more fervent Nazi in 1938 — saw this as a problem. As an old-school diplomat, he saw his duty as maintaining friendly relations with potential allies such as Japan.

    Therefore, on 23 October 1933 Neurath issued a public apology for the bullying of Fräulein Takenouchi, and assured the people of Japan that under Nazi race doctrine they "were not included among coloured peoples". This declaration was picked up and repeated by the American and British media. It seems to be the origin of the idea that the Japanese had been awarded the status of ‘honorary Aryans’.

    To the English-speaking world, this supposed new status of the Japanese was evidence of Nazi hypocrisy; they were willing to bend even their most passionately-declared racial policies to suit their political convenience.

    However, quite apart from the fact that the Foreign Minister had no authority to make such a statement and other Nazi officials did not agree with him, there is still a wide non-overlap between 'non-Aryan' and 'coloured'.

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    On 15 November 1934, the Foreign Ministry called a meeting between different departments of the Nazi government to discuss this whole question. Their motivation was the same as before: they felt that the broad-brush condemnation of all 'non-Aryans' was a hindrance to their diplomatic efforts, and they proposed replacing the phrase by the unambiguous term 'israelites' in all legislation. Another suggestion on the table was to amend 'israelites and coloured persons' to 'israelites and members of primitive races', to make it clear that the 'civilised' Japanese were not included in that category.

    However, the Foreign Ministry's proposal went nowhere. Dr Walter Gross of the NSDAP Racial Policy Office led the opposition, arguing that any dilution of the Party's racial policies would be seen as weakness. Two months later, Gross wrote a formal reply to the proposals stating that putting the Japanese in the same category as Aryans would be as ridiculous as calling "the Negro tribes of Africa" Aryan.

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    A specific incident can serve to illustrate how the policy was applied. A young woman named Hilde O. (her full surname has been redacted) was a German citizen, the daughter of a Japanese mother and German father. In January 1936 she wrote to the authorities complaining that she had been subjected to racial abuse in the streets, being called a 'Deutsch-Jap Misch-Masch', and having "Japs out!" shouted at her; and since then her friends had refused to associate with her for fear of being accused of Rassenschande ('Race defilement'), and she was now unable to find a job.

    She asked for an official document declaring her Aryan status, and to support her case declared that her family had voted for the Nazis ever since 1925, and she flew a swastika flag outside her house.

    Her request was summarily denied:
    >Due to the Japanese race of your mother, you are not to be regarded as Aryan according to the latest legislation, and therefore a general certificate of your German blood is out of the question.

    So much for 'honorary Aryan' status. The reply also offered the unhelpful advice that if anyone else shouted abuse at her in the street she should consider suing them for slander.

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    What about Hitler's own views on the question?

    Another young half-Japanese woman was called Hatsuko F. (again, surname is redacted). In 1937 she was at a dance with a friend of hers, who was a cadet in the Luftwaffe. An officer who was also present saw them dancing together, stormed over and called the cadet 'a disgrace to his uniform' and ordered him to leave the dance hall. F complained and asked the authorities for an official explanation: their reply blandly gaslighted her, telling her that the cadet had been reprimanded for 'improper conduct while in uniform' but this had nothing at all to do with her 'Japanese appearance'. No apology was offered.

    Three years later, Hatsuko had met a new man, another German, and wanted permission to marry him. On 21 September 1940, her request was considered personally by Adolf Hitler, who discussed it with the head of his Chancellery, Dr Hans Lammer.

    (Just reflect for a moment that at the height of the Battle of Britain, with a German invasion fleet massing in the Channel ports, the German head of state thought it was a valuable use of his time to review whether to allow the marriage of one German man to his half-Japanese girlfriend.)

    Hitler's initial reaction was to forbid the marriage. The German race must not be polluted by being contaminated by non-Aryan blood. (Again, so much for the idea that Hitler saw the Japanese as 'honorary Aryans'.)

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    However, Lammer persuaded him that since several other marriages between Germans and people of Japanese blood had been permitted in the past for diplomatic reasons — to avoid upsetting the Japanese media and government — it would be 'inconvenient to go against precedent' this time.

    Hitler begrudgingly conceded the point and authorised the marriage, but told Lammers that this must be the last. 'Preserving the German race' was more important than 'reasons of foreign policy'. Lammers, a wily bureaucrat, suggested to the Führer that rather than officially ban interracial marriages entirely, which would attract negative publicity, it would be better to use deliberate delaying tactics (dilatorische Behandlung) to prevent any such marriages taking place.

    There were all sorts of regulations and requirements to permit an official marriage in the Third Reich, especially if one of the partners was not a German citizen or was non-Aryan in race. Lammers's proposal was simply to spin out the bureaucracy through endless delays or requests for clarification that eventually the prospective couple would just give up.

    Hitler agreed to this strategy. It presumably appealed to his preference for working obliquely and rarely putting controversial decisions into writing.

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    cry? chink lel

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >NOOO DON'T TURN THIS BOARD INTO /misc/
    >discusses nazi shit 24/7
    Mental illness.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      /misc/ and LULZ are one and the same. You can't have LULZ without /misc/

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Based and chudpilled

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're the /misc/tard here as you go around in every thread calling the Japs "honorary aryan" and now you're sperging out because your blatant lie has been disproven.

  10. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >However, after Germany and Japan became allies, he was forced to hide his true opinions in public and feign politeness.
    wow, what a jerk

  11. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't read but Japs with strong jomon ancestry are whiter than meds in my book

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I love the Ainus. They are the ultimate proof that whiteness is the apex evolutionary path. Any shitskins that survive long enough will evolve into being whites independently.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        I’m just confused why people WANT to be related to the Ainu. Especially while shitting on every other less advanced indigenous people that got historically btfo

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm curious why people who hate Japan post on an anime website.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Anime is a French word and the site was created by an American, kys retard

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ainus look nothing like Arabs

        [...]

        I think the author wrote the thesis in English because it's been published by Cambridge University Press

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I think the author wrote the thesis in English because it's been published by Cambridge University Press
          You got a link? I googled it and only got a source for a German book on Google Books.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://pastebin.com/utyXaGmP

            It's the first link on Google when you search for "Nazi racism towards the Japanese, Ideology vs Realpolitik"

            LULZ thinks University of Hamburg's website is spam, so I put it in pastebin

  12. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP is a israelite.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >uses israeli propaganda
      >puts the ugliest shitskins on a pedestal because you're a retarded incel
      >calls others israelite

  13. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Germans didnt give a shit about Chinks one way or another.

  14. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I’m not going to bother reading that whole thing but yeah Germans and Japanese didn’t really feel the need to justify their alliance of mutual interest with “honorary aryan” stuff. I assume it started as meme to make nazi ideology look even more baseless and retarded then got embraced by unironic /misc/ weebs

  15. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    neither will you, Weebtranny

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      greaseball

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