Define "neoliberalism".

Define "neoliberalism".

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Capitalism is just cops. That's the only definition that means anything. If I go to a strip mall and call cops on people they assume I'm the owner. Capitalism has no meaning besides its functionaries, it's completely arbitrary and will collapse in a few months from peak oil.
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    Neoliberalism is just normal liberalism. It's the same thing. Nobody actually used the word capitalism before 1950 or so and neoliberalism came at the same time. It's just liberalism but with cops, because they didn't have cops originally.
    It's associated with Reagan and stuff like that but the word neoliberalism was around before that and it's really just normal liberalism but with cops.
    The reason it's so hard to define is that private property didn't exist until 1950. It calls itself "neo" but the entire period called late capitalism was all of capitalism, and it only lasted a generation. You can't find any evictions, any defense of capitalism before about 2017. Evictions didn't exist.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You will never be mentally sane

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Neoliberalism is contemporarily used to refer to market-oriented reform policies such as "eliminating price controls, deregulating capital markets, lowering trade barriers" and reducing, especially through privatization and austerity, state influence in the economy.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Is the US neoliberal?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Neoliberalism is cops so yes. See first reply.
        Only Americans are dumb enough to have cops and run around attacking homeless people or totally random people to defend capitalism.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I don't give a frick about you.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Well done lib. Make sure to only accept utterly idiotic replies that defend Americans behavior or pretend that other countries act that way.
            Besides the trivial definitions of neoliberalism like privatization, it's really just cops.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Privatization doesn't actually mean anything. Government runs healthcare, is that neoliberalism?
            Privatization is just a paperwork thing, the real aspect of neoliberalism is cops.

            I still don't give a frick about you.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Your privatization definition is meaningless, is spacex privatized?
            Over time the distinction between government and private sector collapses and everything degenerates into fraud.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >eliminating price controls
        check
        >deregulating capital markets
        check
        >lowering trade barriers
        check
        >reducing, especially through privatization and austerity, state influence in the economy.
        kind of but not really

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Privatization doesn't actually mean anything. Government runs healthcare, is that neoliberalism?
          Privatization is just a paperwork thing, the real aspect of neoliberalism is cops.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Isn't the banking and financial system the most regulated sector in US economy?
          They still have trade barriers with china isn't it?

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Privatize everything.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Neoliberalism can be more accurately defined as a historical period in the western world of goverment policies that saw widespread de-regulation, austerity, and privatization while at the same time aiming in furthering the globalized interconenctivity of markets through trade deals.

    In my opinion it went through 3 stages and periods. The first is the 80's fiscal Thacher/Reagan era, second is Clinton/Blair/Merkel/, and finaly the third is neoliberalism in decline with austerity after 2008 mortgage crisis with Obama.

    For example, on the international level of trade Nafta and the proposed TPP, are expressely neoliberal policies. It is questionable nowdays how many of these policies drafted today are neoliberal because of many international crisis such as energy and in chain supplies. More recently, the EU and Trump to an extent have broken ranks with regards to well established neoliberal dogmas.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Neoliberalism can be more accurately defined as a historical period in the western world of goverment policies that saw widespread de-regulation, austerity, and privatization while at the same time aiming in furthering the globalized interconenctivity of markets through trade deals.
      That's still a bad definition.
      Even if AT&T, the coal mines and so forth were never privatized they would die anyway.
      The types of industries the government owned became irrelevant, tech industry made everything irrelevant. The privatization aspect is trivial and irrelevant.
      The actual meaning is cops, and private property didnt exist before 1950.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It depends what kind of ownerwhip is meaningful in the first place and on your definition of fiscal freedom. Neoliberalism is not exactly or expressely libertarian, but targeted speciffic industries that could be realistically be shiped off to China. By 2008 it was the bebt level and bad predatory loans that exploded in the financial sector. Tech still was and still is miniscule in comparison to the housing market for example. My proposition is that it is historical in that goverments thought that this deregulation and reckless borrowing would not blow up in their face. In the western world now we have mostly service sector jobs (non-uniionized) and industries that operate and run entirely on loans. The goverments let these industries and public sector die off because they thought they could float through with their reckless borrowing it all and still have growth without seeing the derivatives time bomb. Neoliberalism therefore coincides with an express desire and policies of the state to financilize its own public and other service sectors. For example neoliberals and Republicans think that Reagan was good to them because the stock exchange was booming during the 80's when financial services entered main street, ignoring how Reagan gutted the public sector and started borrowing heavily.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Tech still was and still is miniscule in comparison to the housing market for example.
          Tech is half the stock market, it's overwhelming. Much of the housing market is tech driven anyway. California and New York are the majority of the housing market and are completely tech or healthcare.
          In terms of physical value the tech industry is nothing and always will be. But capitalism only cares about asset values and tech is dominant there.
          Capitalism is a very specific pyramid scheme that started in the 1930s with xerox, which patent trolled some trivial inventions, got apple to do the same, then apple ran its own pyramid scheme for a variety of reasons and came to dominate the stock market. From the perspective of capitalism, tech industry is and always was capitalism. In the 19th century there were railroads that serves the same purpose. Not a single major company from 1900 is relevant today because there was a period between railroads being destroyed in the depression to the start of the tech industry where there was nothing.
          But modern capitalism is entirely based on the tech industry, at least in financial terms. Capitalism doesn't value anything you need to survive or exist, like food. It does value housing but the value of housing is determined by savings and other assets, which end up being the tech industry.
          Housing wasn't worth anything until the 1950s. The concept of "buying a house" didn't exist and there were no mortgages or any way to do that. Mortgages created housing and the mortgages themselves came from the military- which was the tech industry at the time- and grew from there. IBM sold to the military and was later surpassed by apple and others. IBM made the space program and the other aspects of military-industrial capitalism possible.
          At a trivial level capitalism is cops, but at a higher order level it has a very specific and clear meaning- the tech industry, apple, and the pyramid scheme around that.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            wtf are you talking about? The current "tech industry" only became half-way meaningful in the mid-90's and nearly collapsed on its face with dot.com bubble crash. You are precicely right that capitalism cares only about asset values which is why the 2008 crisis shows that capitalists and bankers can't stop shooting themselves on their face and how both working class liberals and deregulation "fiscal conservatives" are entirely moronic and vote for their own misery. The current word you are looking for is services and here things get tricky, its the not tech itself thats revolutionary or valuable, thats an entirely romantic and instrumentalist view of market capitalism. It is the marketable services provided that make it relevant. This is where neoliberalism expressely enters the policy stage and becomes dogma because financial services and loans provide the bed rock for that. Neoliberalism isn't something abstract, it reffers speciffically to a states fiscal and regulatory policies, not the nature of a market as whole , which is indeed something contradictory and abstract.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >wtf are you talking about? The current "tech industry" only became half-way meaningful in the mid-90's a
            That's my entire point. Evictions didn't exist before 1985. Find a single example of a eviction before 2017.
            You think capitalism existed forever yet there were no real stock bubbles of any real importance, besides resource depletion, before the tech industry. There was no property and it wasn't even possible to do evictions.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    > "To allow the market mechanism to be sole director of the fate of human beings and their natural environment...would result in the demolition of society" [p.73]. However, Polanyi was convinced that such a demolition could no longer happen in the post-war world because, as he said [p.251], "Within the nations we are witnessing a development under which the economic system ceases to lay down the law to society and the primacy of society over that system is secured
    Polanyis own definition of neoliberalism was basically cops, in 1945, so anyone mentioning thatcher or Reagan is mentally moronic.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Neo from neoclassical economics, an attempt to revive classical economics out of the keynesian revolution

    Liberal from liberalism, the belief that the private sector is always the optimal choice and government is always efficient.

    It's the entire system that argues for privatization, independent central banks, minimal government oversight over the economy, and there should be nothing stopping markets from running every aspect of your life, from medical care to rent to the job market to basic goods.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Government is always *inefficient

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Neo from neoclassical economics, an attempt to revive classical economics out of the keynesian revolution
      No, you're an idiot. You're a perfect example of how dumb this board is. Everything after the first reply is moronation.
      Also neoclassical economics synthesis is something from the 1970s or 1990s while neoliberalism is 1945. Again you're just as dumb as the other posters.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Neoliberalism starts in the 1970s. 1945 to the 1970s was Bretton Woods, which was a system dominated by highly national economies, capital controls, and a higher degree of interventionist

        Please don't correct people when you've clearly not even read an intro text to this stuff.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          The word neoliberalism was coined in 1945 you worthless moron.
          It has a actual meaning not your stupidity. Yes, people use it that way but it means nothing.
          You are too stupid to read the thread. Spam away.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            What text the word first appears in matters quite a bit less than when it became the dominant ideology.

            Stop being such a spastic fricking weirdo.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That is what you're doing. I'm using the actual definition of the term and you're giving nothing.
            Private property didn't exist before 1950. Capitalism didn't exist before the tech industry and you can't find any evictions before 2017.
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    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >and there should be nothing stopping markets from running every aspect of your life, from medical care to rent to the job market to basic goods.
      Is this supposed to be bad?
      Because governments ARE usually inefficient.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Capitalism was never profitable.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Because governments ARE usually inefficient.
        Yes, neoliberalism takes it from being "generally true" to "absolute dogmatism". Government can absolutely do good things and more people should actually read Keynes to figure that out (and I mean actually read Keynes, not the people who write screeds against him)

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Capitalism is zero sum. A pays b 100, b pays a 99, etc.
          Anyone defending capitalism or Keynesianism is mentally moronic and can't do math. Capitalism only exists as a pyramid scheme and moronation.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Ok thanks for the input

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Resource depletion causes recessions. Keynes is wrong. You'll die of peak oil in 6mo and nothing will stop it.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You mean the artficial price gouging the US is doing through Opec and Russia with natural gas? The current energy crisis has nothing to do with oil depleting any time soon.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Let's do some quick math here. Arab D in Ghawar is 800 billion tons of rock. At 10% organic carbon, 25% soluble, that's 150 billion barrels of volume. This is (unsurprisingly) the oil reserves of the reservoir.

            The majority of oil in the world is split between different API in the range of 20 to 50, with 5% in the aromatic range of 39-41 API. It also has lower porosity (about 15% vs 25%).

            Oil only forms on fault lines, within a distance of about ten miles. The world has 30,000 miles of fault zones with 300,000 mi2 of this area. This means 1.2 trillion barrels of reserves. Because condensate is included as reserves the number is slightly higher (1.4 trillion).

            In 1980 the world had 1.4 trillion barrels of inferred oil reserves. No oil has been discovered since that time. The world consumed 75 million barrels a day since 1980 which is a consumption of 1.2 trillion barrels. This means 200 billion barrels exist to be consumed and it is logically impossible for more to exist. There is no space in the world for more oil.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >keynes
          The guy digging holes just to give people job?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            "actually read Keynes, not the people who write screeds against him"

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Capitalism originally was neoliberalism, the difference is somebody tried to distinguish between "good capitalism" and "bad capitalism". In reality it always was the same it's just there were no cops or evictions until very recently.
    The creation of apple is approximately when capitalism started.
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  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Your gibs are not high enough to hire domestic workers. And they still didn't cancel your student debt. Instead, the ever-increasing bureaucracy, housing regulations and gaberment-enforced cartelization just made it impossible for you to buy a house and leave you parents. So you can cry about gapitalism all day long because what else.

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