how excited are you about debian 12 bookworm?
are you going to a release party? there are 2 parties one germany and one in brasil
debian 12 is only 20 days away
how excited are you about debian 12 bookworm?
are you going to a release party? there are 2 parties one germany and one in brasil
What kernel? What version of KDE will it have?
I never tried it, what's the benefit?
5.27
>I never tried it, what's the benefit?
they make a great effort to not break stuff with updates, or update programs in a way that changes their interface after you sudo apt update.
I think it's exceptionally good for workstations and servers.
6.1 not 5.27 fucking nagger
I meant the KDE version, not the linux version.
ok sorry
yep do you have gaps included in the i3 from debian ? since its old
They were answering the version for KDE which is 5.27.2, the KDE team is trying to convince the release team to allow them to get 5.27.5 into Bookworm which is a LTS version with lots of bugfixes.
Not an issue for me though I just use i3 :).
Debian guarantees a safe upgrade path to the next release (can not be said about Ubuntu :P). Extreme package stability and compatibility.
Debian is for if you are extremely lazy.
>the KDE team is trying to convince the release team to allow them to get 5.27.5 into Bookworm which is a LTS version with lots of bugfixes.
damn, that would be neat. is there any link where we can follow that discussion?
if they let this go, it'll go to hell for other packages... damn who uses debian kde
I'm very interested to migrate back to Debian and I'd like to use KDE... being on a LTS Plasma release with bugfixes would be nice.
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1035056
Yes I have gaps, gaps were merged upstream and are now present in Bookworm. I don't use any gaps though.
Thanks for the link. Both the KDE maintainer and the guy from the Debian release team sound like very reasonable people.
I hope they get it in
That was indeed very pleasant to read, helped me understand the purpose of that release model and their software freezes. They really want to reduce any software changes to minimum, all in the pursuit of stability and "unchanging", perhaps even static experience, huh.
Was that the original goal of Debian, to package Linux and a ton of relevant packages in a way that provides slower (stable) release schedule? It seems like it stems from some issue encountered from running everything at latest versions on a daily basis. Like someone got really fucking angry at breakage and decided to start a project where packages are locked to certain versions.
Debian started mainly to address bugs in SLS (Soft Landing Linux), you can read the original document release goals here:
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianHistory?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Debian-announcement-1993-pic-by-Ian_Murdock.png
Here they say “it will be kept the most up to date” :P, the existence of the release model did not come till later and the eventual integration with APT (they used to be separate projects).
I can't tell you about how it started, but it is very reassuring to use your OS and be confident that no update is gonna change the UI or force you to relearn some program.
>changes their interface after you sudo apt update
apt update only updates your local repository indices. What you wanted to say was apt dist-upgrade
>5.27
I noticed the version in the repository is 5.27.2
Is it updating to 5.27.5 or is it permanently stuck as the older version? Because that would be gay as fuck.
>is it permanently stuck as the older version?
Seems like that's what's happening (maybe backporting some fixes), unless they come to an agreement with Debian people to bump it to .5:
homosexualry. Give me one reason why a stable distro should refuse to ship pure bugfix updates for DEs.
>Bug compatibility
>Unforeseen feature regressions
>Unforeseen security regressions
Even with these concerns KDE plasma is so special that they are likely to get updated to 5.27.5 in a stable point release update. Most devs don’t bother doing bug fix only releases and introduce new features which means regressions.
If you spend too long not updating on Arch the next time you update everything is fucked. A Debian system can be updated at any time and it will be just fine. Your “strategy” is you coping with the fact you run a bleeding edge distro.
It is so funny to me Archers always come and shit on Debian (likely after they tried it coming from Ubuntu and failed to configure their le hecking epic gaming rig) and always bitch and moan about Debian policies and demand they rework the entire release cycle. You don’t see Debian users shitting on Arch constantly.
I guess many of you had a spiritual experience where PackageX is broken -> I obtain a newer version - PackageX is fixed so now you go around spreading your gospel about how “Le Debian is outdated guys!!!” Thinking you are giving new information to those who haven’t “learned” the gospel. You are not a good Linux troubleshooter because updating incidentally fixed a problem once or twice, you have the same technical and support advice as a Windows Insider telling you to /sfc scannow.
Stay on Arch if you like bleeding edge, but please shut the fuck up.
>Archers always come and shit on Debian
Not that anon, but for what it's worth, I like both Debian and Arch. They're fine and interesting in their own ways.
It's just that I'm so used to random stuff being available in AUR as pkgbuilds which integrate nicely into pacman/AUR helper. On other distros, such as Debian, I often had to either add a repo (of the software author or 3rd party) or install a .deb (built for who knows what library versions...) or clone repo and build from source and make install (and what then? where to store the cloned source? how to upgrade properly?) which all felt "dirtier" than the AUR -> pacman route where it was like a real package, just made locally. Do you encounter this often, anon? What do you do to make such out of repo software "cleanly installed"? You understand my pain, hopefully? Please skip Flatpak/Snap/AppImage if that was your answer - these are nice but not always best imo, sometimes I just want software to be managed via package manager native to the distro.
It's slightly ironic, because I keep hearing that Debian has the largest software repositories (50k?), Arch including AUR is smaller than that, and yet the latter feels more complete, both in contents and in the smooth install process. Everything I need is a yay program-name away.
Also I had one experience updating a year old Arch install and it went through without big issues, the only thing was GPG keys being out of date and not upgraded before other packages which were signed with those keys. I hope Debian handles such batch upgrades better, if I ever need to do so.
>On other distros, such as Debian, I often had to either add a repo (of the software author or 3rd party) or install a .deb (built for who knows what library versions...) or clone repo and build from source and make install (and what then? where to store the cloned source? how to upgrade properly?)
Something like the AUR is against the Debian philosophy, where hopefully new packages are sanely mantained, compatible, secure, and integrate neatly into the distro, a user repo would not work with this.
The way I handle this usually is "not in the repos? Probably dogshit anyways". Don't add 3rd party repos to Debian not in a chroot or container, they will fuck your system.
I don't use Flatpak/Snap/AppImage. If I need software outside of Debian I often compile it myself, usually though these are one offs I don't need to keep updated. If you do need to update them you can git pull and make install again. You could store the cloned source anywhere... I like ~/Documents. You could even write a simple shell script that git pulls all your self compiled software, makes it, and installs it. (Make sure you are installing to ~/.local/ or /usr/local/)
Nix and GUIX are also avaliable on Debian but I have never look into these solutions since I am served well by the repos. If you enjoy seeking out new software and like the AUR stay with Arch.
My question is, what is this out of repo software you consistently need? How often do you need new software?
>If I need software outside of Debian I often compile it myself, usually though these are one offs I don't need to keep updated. If you do need to update them you can git pull and make install again. You could store the cloned source anywhere... I like ~/Documents. You could even write a simple shell script that git pulls all your self compiled software, makes it, and installs it. (Make sure you are installing to ~/.local/ or /usr/local/)
Or he could just install a Flatpak
Thank you, sensible.
>what is this out of repo software you consistently need?
Ok, on Arch desktop, for programs not in Debian repos I currently have: jellyfin-media-player, nheko-git, nomacs (why is it only in buster and sid?). On laptop I have j-m-p as well, android-studio (prebuilt), and trillium-bin. On work laptop I probably have the same as on personal laptop + azure-kubelogin, openlens-bin, a few more. On home server I have zfs-dkms and -utils and the nvidia-container-toolkit (for GPU encoding in Docker).
I see myself migrating server to Debian later, and I know that ZFS stuff is in backports repo (ok), and the Nvidia stuff is in their additional repo (meh but at least it's not a random .run to wget and execute like it was Windows). So that case is covered fine by both Debian and Arch.
As for desktop/laptops, well, there's quite a few programs as you can see, although I was surprised to see azure-cli being in Debian repos, for some reason I thought I'd have to install it via pip to .local or smth. That would feel weird.
>How often do you need new software?
I can already expect some displeasure with regards to Docker on bookworm. While I usually don't add their repo with super latest docker-ce, because 20.10 that's shipped in bullseye is fine by me, I hoped that bookworm would have the Compose v2 available in default repos (at least as part of docker.io, I think?). It is a nice feature upgrade over v1, and on Arch server I liked it. Therefore I'm torn between being stuck with v1 for 2 more years at least, or switching to Docker from Docker repo. I prefer Docker engine to be rather stable and not changing much through upgrades (it can do live-restart but it can get buggy).
In case of new software on desktop/laptops, I get a bit of satisfaction from seeing new things added, annoyances fixed. Even on work laptop it serves the purpose of coalmine canary - I get issues earlier so I can prepare fixes/workarounds before it affects devs using Ubuntu.
>In case of new software on desktop/laptops, I get a bit of satisfaction from seeing new things added, annoyances fixed.
That is fair. NAYRT btw.
For me, having to figure out what changed because of a major version update is usually a bigger annoyance than any problems the software has.
I get a feeling of satisfaction in knowing everything is gonna work the same way for years and years until I decided to install another distro or Debian version myself.
>You don’t see Debian users shitting on Arch constantly.
Actually you do.
the KDE packaging team and the Debian release team are trying to get into an agreement to move it to 5.27.2.
Kernel 2.23
KDE 4.0
gcc 7
Nah. I don't like their logo, it reminds me of a picture of some guy who got his dick and balls cut off in latin america.
The logo is literally an adobe illustrator brush.
Its some ancient greek symbol
It's also the golden ratio you illiterate irredeemable.
>the logo was designed with proprietary software
very interesting
now tell me what you see in this picture, anon
an opera singer on her back bleeding from her crotch. Probably after getting his dick cut off. Weird.
your mom's vagina
It’s two JavaScript coders trying to explain how they’re engineers when their runtime literally allows for no decision making.
a smug cheetah
dog pope
wtf
a shitbull
somebody in the middle getting fucked, this has to be a ruse right?
Poisonous frog/salamander
A queen on a giant chair giving birth to a scorpion. Dicks are flying in the sky, and the crowd is applauding.
Lungs
Kidneys
Pelvis is a mans
panther's face
smug frog (I'm off meds)
A part of my body
built for bbc
Downwards:
>cocks
>lungs
>scimitars with handguards which have drawn a drop of blood each
>a firefly with outstretched wings and human hands who is giving the finger
>blood drops anywhere else
I see an inkblot rorschach picture.
i see an insect face with mandibles
'em
C-carcosa
are they going to add something retarded and pozzed there again? (like systemd was added).
Default wayland or something as silly?
And how to avoid it.
>how to avoid it.
use devuan
I <3 Debian... I don't use Flatpak or snap or appimage, I backport or compile if I need something newer.
Debian still supports sysvinit and other init systems, and has some tacit support for cross compatibility.
Noooo... my software is old :(. Its over.
>how excited are you about debian 12 bookworm?
no. no one with a semi-life should be. its literally a barely used linux OS. no different from the many others.
>are you going to a release party? there are 2 parties one germany and one in brasil
no. the only people who attend these are narcissistic neckbeards in fedoras, fat homely women, and fat homely narcissistic trannYs who forgot to shave.
>"barely used linux OS"
LMFAOOOOOOO
You're a massive poser
I've been running Bookworm for a month or so now, it's pretty good, other than turning os-prober off for grub for some stupid reason.
I can't speak to anything else you wrote, as I've never been to a distro release party, but Debian is probably one of the top 5 most deployed, probably only behind RHEL and maybe Ubuntu.
Is there already a way to install ROCM and Docker from legit repos on Debian 12? I don't want to make a frankendebian. I want to use SD but I want everything tidy.
dunno about amd, but I'm running sd on nvidia without even installing cuda. Just standard (and very old) installer from nvidia site.
I probably won't be installing bookworm as soon as it lands, but few weeks after, need to finish a project for school around the time of release
Debian is literally a server distro. I couldn't care less. It's meant to have old outdated shit.
>what is flatpak, snap, appimage
Doesn't count
a zoomzoom crap
Mint with Apt and Flatpak is peak comfy. Rarely breaks and when it does, I can fix it with Timeshift.
>what is flatpak, snap, appimage
a patch for stupid mogols that use a server distro on the desktop
the pained shriek of a bleeding edge user as he realizes flatpak allows just werks latest software on stable distros, making his choice of rolling distro as pointless as ever
Why even Debian, then
If you’re gonna use a glacial base with a bunch of flatpaks why not Red Hat, the actual flatpak developers
This makes zero sense.
Uhuh, the consensus is that Arch is the quintessential Linux distro. At best you will see some Ubuntu user calling Arch "elitist" or something. Please, have you ever seen seen someone have shit not working on Arch and the response being "your stuff is too new and experimental! You should use Debian instead."
You will not see Debian users calling Arch "spyware" due to its vulnerabilities to new bugs and security regressions. Personally I have no problem with Arch, but the constant shitting on a distro you don't even use is annoying as fuck. (Or used once and couldn't figure it out!).
>Please, have you ever seen seen someone have shit not working on Arch and the response being "your stuff is too new and experimental! You should use Debian instead."
>You will not see Debian users calling Arch "spyware" due to its vulnerabilities to new bugs and security regressions
Noted, both are good ways to troll.
>Debian is literally a server distro. I couldn't care less. It's meant to have old outdated shit.
you got it wrong bro. the final rp is debian stable as you base + flatpak or appimage for up-to-date user-end apps. its fucking great. set it up once and shit never breaks.
There have been studies where they make a full inventory of the packages and discover that Debian actually has newer (and more) stuff that Arch. You just need to be on the right repos; what you download by default is Debian stable.
Studies lol just check on DW package comparison page, fucking christ
Wrong. Debian desktop is completely feasible. My home computer runs Debian testing, using LightDM, I3, Alacritty, and Fish as the base system. Very comfy.
I switched from Windows to Debian stable with xfce and it's great, I was thinking of getting a new laptop before but the way it's going now I can keep this going until my ssd fails
>how excited are you about debian 12 bookworm?
very
>are you going to a release party?
no
i will celebrate by ordering a pizza for myself
wake up lil bro, debian 12 just dropped
I was just thinking about this. It's always weirdly exciting. I will probably watch some release party stream for a bit.
I heard Linux release parties are the bomb
It's where all the hot chicks and real niggas at
Count me in
That shit gonna be wild af
Excited to run 1+ year old software?
still better than RHEL which is twice as old at best
not much, because I already run Debian 12 for the last 6 months
Debian is the endgame distro for normal well-adjusted people
are they still going ahead with that absolutely retarded decision to break multi OS boot by default?
hopefully, dual booters deserve rope
Dual booters are unironically worse than windows users
Only reason ever to dual boot is if you haven't used linux and are scared to delete Winblows, so you just dual boot for a while until you realize you can still shitpost and coom on Linux
curious, but what would you suggest then if somebody needs a windows machine with access to a dedicated gpu but isn't able to run a windows VM with vfio? naturally said user doesn't have access to a capable laptop/second computer
Oh, that's nice to hear, anon. I'll switch my home server from Arch back to Debian in a few weeks after 12 releases. Not that Arch was bad as OS for headless 24/7 domestic computer, I simply want to unify my servers and be able to use automatic security updates on all of them.
I prefer Gentoo, it teaches you more
Will not use it for three months at least, still using Debian 11 for the little servers at work.
200% excited, but there are a few things I have to do before upgrading, like cleaning and checking my backups, and that will take a like 6 hours (hdd follower), so I will not be able to upgrade right away
that and other things I will have to read from the handbook
>there are 2 parties one germany and one in brasil
why Germany and Brazil?
Probably the only places they had people willing to host events
What do I have to do? Just update normally?
https://www.debian.org/releases/bookworm/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html
I like reading Debian manuals, it's like an artifact of coolness from years already gone.
Shitty distro they dont fucking put transmission 4 on freeze shitty fucking distro for naggers
Sorry Anon... that's the policy for the freeze...
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/transmission
Just backport it yourself from unstable...
i will wait the next release fucking shitty naggers i'm glad this shitty ian is dead
All you literally need to do is compile it yourself and run checkinstall, or pull it from a ppa. Maybe there's an even easier way...
https://www.phoronix.com/news/LInux-6.2-AMD-Zen-4-Events
Wait for it . . .
Wait a little bit . . .
Meh, nothing.
LOL
If it actually supported displaylink I would
I dread every new release update because every single time, the gnome fuckers have found 11 new ways to make my life hell. I'm guessing libadwaita is gona be in debian 12? cant fuckin wait.
im thinking of ditching computers and just getting a new hobby. im tired
there are ways to use your computer without gnome malware
shocking, i know
And this is why I'm use xfce4, and you should too.
no you dont understand, I use xfce and I obsessively avoid gnome shit as much as I can, havent run a gnome desktop since 2011, they still make life hell through the influence of gtk that finds its way into almost everything
yet another tranny distro
>Bookworm released
two years behind in hardware support
Why do people use debian
>longterm: 6.1.29 2023-05-17
"Two years behind"
I think you may be mentally retarded. Its OK.
Perhaps you have computer hardware that upgrades itself... I do not have such fancy technology... I have to go to the store and purchase new hardware when I need new hardware so it is not a big deal for me.
Kernel is already at 6.3. bookworm is already out dated and will only get worse as time goes on. Doesn't even include a lot of fixes for Intel arc or the changes to improve big.LITTLE scheduling on Intel 12/13th gen. Let alone improvements to zen4.
It's absolute trash.
Nooo Intel Arc. I don't use intel arc... Nooo Intel 12/3th gen scheduling... I don't have a 12th or 13th gen CPU... noooo zen4 improvements... I don't have a Zen 4 CPU...
MFW Stable distro is stable...
So it's a distro for poor people. Got it.
Lts isn't default. Again, poor, I get it.
I don't understand the hype for a distro release that's already out dated. Wow, one out dated release to another. So fresh anon. Everything you are excited about people already hyped it when it was originally relevant. I can't get excited for kernel 6.1 when that was awhile ago already.
Read kernel 6.2 and 6.3 release notes when those kernels came out. I use Intel, not suicidal amd CPUs. I just remember performance and power tuning.
You don't understand the point of Debian. Its boring by design, no surprises. Arch and other rolling distros are moving targets that could change from day to day. Debian Bookworm will always be the same, except security patches.
>Read kernel 6.2 and 6.3 release notes when those kernels came out.
https://lkml.org/lkml/2023/2/19/309
https://lkml.org/lkml/2023/4/23/284
Looking up "Zen" doesn't show anything.
>I don't understand the hype for a distro release that's already out dated. Wow, one out dated release to another. So fresh anon. Everything you are excited about people already hyped it when it was originally relevant. I can't get excited for kernel 6.1 when that was awhile ago already.
Beta tester cannot understand that people are excited for tested and working systems, we appreciate your work though ^_^
das rite, be hyped about kernel 6.4 UNLESS 6.5
>using mainline linux is for rich people
>lts is for poor people
>software came out 4 months ago
>'WHAT, THAT LONG, IT SUCKS, UPDATE NOW'
jesus christ, you guys come up with the funniest ignorant stuff
it is using lts, i am literally using arch with 6.1 lts too
LTS KERNEL = no improve big.LITTLE scheduling on Intel 12/13th gen. YOU NEED TO UPGRADE YOUR KERNEL NOW!
Don't run Debian on bleeding edge hardware you dolt. I use it on my laptop server that doesn't need much attention, I run OpenSUSE Tumbleweed on my desktop. Debian is about stability in the long term.
>Don't run Debian on bleeding edge hardware you dolt
Do it homosexual.
I run 12 on 7600X/7900XTX and don't need more. Although my cmdline looks like a Christmas tree.
> transparent_hugepage=madvise pcie_port_pm=off pcie_aspm.policy=performance nvme_core.default_ps_max_latency_us=0
All of that due to Samsung NVMe or Intel NIC, thanks to both of those vendors (not really).
>Don't run Debian on bleeding edge hardware you dolt.
I really don't understand why so many people claim this. Debian stable just works even on new hardware.
Depends. I had troubles with Intel NIC on 11, I225-V. Maintainers enabled its support in some minor release.
Drivers, well, Navi 31 just didn't exist when 11 dropped, so it's best to run it on 12 or wait till it arrives in backports - which may never happen, it did here, doesn't mean it's the rule.
Not true… many times the kernel drivers won’t support your iGPU or dGPU (assuming AMD/Intel) and you will need to backport a newer kernel. But the generic driver will usually give you at least 800x600 res and a working console to do fix it.
> Stable uses the latest LTS kernel at release
Stop the presses.
>Let alone improvements to zen4.
such as?
legit curious, as i have a zen 4 and i plan to use debian 12.
the absolute state of updooters
>how excited are you about debian 12 bookworm?
PSA: a month ago, Intel+IOMMU enabled+Bookworm kernel = every FS corruption shortly after boot, even rootfs. Got it on two identical Microservers.
+another thing, I forgot: tg3 kernel module for Broadcom NIC. So it's Intel IOMMU+tg3+5.15 or newer kernel.
> Broadcom
Into the trash it goes
What processor and Mobo? That's serious shit.
https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/boot-failure-on-upgrade-to-ve-7-2-with-kernel-5-15-35-1-pve.109144/page-2
https://forums.unraid.net/topic/123620-unraid-os-version-6100-available/page/8/#comment-1129618
I'm very hyped. Can't wait for all the new features other distributions had 6 months ago. It's so exciting.
I've been running testing for a while now so not a big impact for me
Honestly, I can't wait. Finally getting a crumb of new software on my crusty old Debian.
Fucking finally. Can't wait to leave this god forsaken kernel version. 6.1 can only be better.
Updated to bookworm, it just works.
>how excited are you about debian 12 bookworm?
what are the noticeable changes?
Tiling in KDE, like Win+arrow.
Brings breaking changes to repo organization, there are now nonfree and nonfree-firmware, split up. That means, you'll end up with old AMD firmware if you update as usual.
Usrmerge change is now in effect, so install it on 11 to not end up with half the packages and usrmerge that exited with a error.
WAYLAND NOW WORKS, I forgot. No bugs - except the one where my system starts "sleeping" when I play with a gamepad, not touching mouse/kb for a while, not sure whom to blame.
Does Debiab testing break often
Depends on what you do, for me the most annoying stuff on testing was that KDE always crashes from time to time.
no issues here
I'll probably jump over in 6 months. The first few months of Debian releases are usually shit, where all the kernel and xorg bugs that didn't show up in testing hit my hardware.
I'm looking forward buster becoming oldoldstable.
i noticed plenty of updates in my MX these days, i guess they're trying to upgrade us to debian 12 without reinstall
based if so
>reinstall to upgrade
what kind of OS in the year of 2023 does that?
More like 0.12. Let me know when they release version '100'.
>called worm
>nonfree by default
I decided to install debian but firefox was extremely laggy. Now I use fedora and can't say i'm not satisfied
How excited am I about distro that would become outdated in a half of year and have some critical bugs that were fixed in newer versions but because of "stability" meme I won't have them? Gee I don't know.
Thank you for reminding me sir, I'll add it to my collection.
debootstrap bookworm /mnt/anime/chroot/debian12 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/
I'm more excited for the next version of LMDE. It will be using Debian 12 as it's software base.
>install arch and configure all commonly used software
>run pacman -Syyu once
>only upgrade the next time there are a couple of major releases of mission-critical software
Here's for your stability. Outdated trash like Debian are just a meme.
no, that's not how it works
Running Linux Mint, is it worth the switch ?
Same, considering it for KDE but miffed that they will most likely ship an old version of 5.27
Mint not having a KDE version is pretty gay, they used to have one
honestly, i dont think so, if you have a working system that is satisfying your needs.
a good case for installing Debian over your current Mint install would be if they manage to push KDE 5.27.5 to it.
Cool, how do I upgrade my home server when it comes out? Never done a major upgrade on debian before
https://www.debian.org/releases/bookworm/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html
Or just don't upgrade. Bullseye will remain supported for quite awhile.
>why is it only in buster and sid?
If a package does not comply with Debian policy it will be removed from testing. You can find these policy violations usually on the package tracker:
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/nomacs
It appears it is due to unresolved security vulnerabilities.
I use Nheko from the repos. The version in Bookworm is quite new.
>and the Nvidia stuff is in their additional repo
Don't use their repo. If you need newer learn to backport it yourself. The version in Bookworm is acceptable.
I am not familiar with much of the software you described so I cannot know whats best for you. When a package is not in the repos but has a repository I will install the repo in a debootstrap chroot to isolate the dependencies. Anyone with the current Jellyfin repo enabled that updates to Bookworm will bork their system.
Sounds to me like you could probably run Debian Unstable + some chrooted repositories on your desktop. You will get the, satisfaction of new features with some additional stability from the more aggressive Debian policies.
Docker in Bookworm should support Compose V2 based on the documentation I read? But I am not familiar with Docker so you will need to do the research yourself.
Debian Unstable on Desktop + Debian Stable on laptop is a pretty common for Debian users. But I don't know if it would have much more benefits over using Arch.
I meant Debian Unstable on Desktop + Debian Stable on server, not laptop.
deb http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian/ testing main non-free non-free-firmware contrib
deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security testing-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
deb http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian/ testing-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
# bullseye-backports, previously on backports.debian.org
deb http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian/ testing-backports main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
# MS Repos
# deb https://packages.microsoft.com/debian/11/prod bullseye main
deb https://packages.microsoft.com/repos/ms-teams stable main
# deb https://packages.microsoft.com/repos/edge stable main
# Kali
deb http://http.kali.org/kali kali-rolling main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
# deb-multimedia (unofficial)
# deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org bullseye main non-free
deb https://www.deb-multimedia.org bullseye main non-free
deb https://www.deb-multimedia.org bullseye-backports main
# MX
deb http://mxrepo.com/mx/repo bullseye main non-free ahs
# deb http://mirror.datamossa.io/mxlinux/antix/bullseye/ bullseye main nonfree
# Devuan
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera main non-free contrib
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-updates main
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-security main
# Mint
deb http://packages.linuxmint.com vanessa main upstream import backport
# Kaisen
deb https://deb.kaisenlinux.org kaisen-rolling main contrib non-free
# Bunsen
deb http://pkg.bunsenlabs.org/debian beryllium main
deb http://pkg.bunsenlabs.org/debian bullseye-backports main
what does Microsoft package for debian?
Probably their cooder software for Pro cooooderz
teams and edge - work
use codium if you have to you fuckwit
Should I upgrade from 10 to 11 first or straight to 12? Also anyone know if the current version of xfce breaks chicago95 (installed in 2020)?
Upgrade from 10 to 11 first, upgrading to 12 from 10 will fuck your system.
>how excited are you about debian 12 bookworm?
0
>are you going to a release party?
not in brazil or germany, lol
>germany
I don't think anyone is going to that party since everyone in Germany uses openSUSE.
>brasil
Well, I'm in Brazil and I also use OpenSUSE so...
Kernel and gnome already out of date. Can’t say I’m all that excited anon. As usual, Debian is out of date spyware.
>are you going to a release party?
Imagine throwing a party for outdated spyware.
Afraid to remotely upgrade, since I don't have access to my computer (in different country) and if something fucks up, I have to wait half a year until I go home.
Bullseye does not EOL till mid 2024, and will remain LTS after that. You have plenty of time!
then don't
want to move my main VPS to ARM64 at Hetzner but Mailcow only started testing their arm64 build recently, so still waiting. once that turns stable though, I am moving to ARM64/Debian12.
God damn it stop making me want to try linux again even though I know nothing will be different and x11 will still have huge framedrops no matter the distro.
Debian 11 is still a buggy mess why the hell would I be excited for debian 12?
Devuan users rise.
ok now I'm all exited over an OS I will never use.