You might be spending up to $200,000 just to get frozen for a while, until the cryonics company goes out of business and all its corpses get thawed out and disposed of.
Even if you don't care about that 200k going to your kids, there are still plenty of other better things it could have been spent on
> until the cryonics company goes out of business and all its corpses get thawed out and disposed of.
unironically cant wait to see if any of them wake up only to die of massive organ failure
>up to $200,000
The price depends a lot on where and how you get cryopreserved. Cryopreservation at the Cryonics Institute only costs about $30,000, and neuropreservation at Alcor where only your head is preserved costs about $80,000.
My brother got a cryonics package for my dad a few years ago when he had to get his aorta replaced. So it's not just about parents fucking over their kids. That said my brother is a dev for an AI driven HFT company so I guess that's out of the ordinary.
Because you dont survive being frozen. Your brain neuron connections get damaged and will be nearly impossible to revive you as you if they manage to revive you in the future in good scenario. In bad scenario ice crystals will break your cells apart and completely kill you with no hope of revival. Now this all could be alright it it was alternative to dying on the spot, but you need to be alive to be cryogenically frozen. So you are basically freezing yourself to death to become immortal while paying insane money for it and cursing your descendants to pay for it.
You could economize these much better if you didn't insist on making them sci-fi looking; dozens could be attached and their cooling scaled easily.
You don't "survive" your heart stopping, legally. Meanwhile, the cells of the brain are those least vulnerable to this lysing and most protected by the post-legal-death fluid replacement.
Also it's a one-time payment only, paid out in the form of insurance.
Yep. The currently nonexistent tissue repair technology that they're hoping for is, in my view, very feasible. We could have it within a couple decades.
However, no one currently frozen will ever be reanimated. Their brains are too far gone
>1 in a gazillion chance
It's not 1 in a gazillion, it's still 0. Cryonics prevents ice crystals from forming in the brain by bathing the brain in toxic chemicals that still destroy it and negate any possibility of resurrection
>it's still 0
Your understanding of epistemology is 0. You can’t even be 100% certain that statements like 2+2=4 are true. If you assert the odds of cryonics working are literally 0, you are asserting that you have literally infinite evidence for this.
NDEs are a trick of the brain to keep you living. your brains has a constant stream of info from its sensing organs, even if you are unconscious, those data streams keep feeding info into the brain (as long as you are alive).
the brain can construct and feed you all kinds of stories, images, sounds, based on all previous experience and memories and present info being fed from senses.
everything that the brain is showing you has a single monumental purpose, to keep you alive, and to make you try your best to stay alive. what it shows you does not have to be true, only to keep you alive, which it does with a lot of bullshit stories.
you just can't accept your brain would bullshit you like that, which it constantly does anyway.
Are the canisters vertical and upright like that just for the visual appeal? I imagine they didn't want to store the corpses laying down like in a morgue just because of the negative connotations it would bring to mind to any potential customer. If the bodies are "standing" the prospect of them being revived seems more likely somehow.
in case something bad happens (e.g. major supply chain disruptions) liquid nitrogen will slowly evaporate. If bodies are vertical, this gives the most time to the head
It is a complete scam. Ignore all of the "maybes" about it and just recognize it's paying someone to freeze your body and that's it. Obviously a company will be happy to sell you that service if it's profitable, but beyond that, everything is your own hopes and dreams being projected onto the service. There is no innovation going on with it because there is no innovation necessary. It's just freezing people and they're already doing that about as well as you can currently. Any consciousness preservation services will most likely be digital/virtual in nature and that is where the innovation will be driven. Being frozen is pure cope.
freezing is a temporary (rather primitive) step. we need to solve brain scanning asap, that's the nicest way of doing it, not fucking mummification.
still having the brain, even if frozen, MIGHT result in SOME activity which would be horribe. yeah I know I understand there can't be anything remotely similar to normal functioning, still I wouldn't risk it.
a 3D body, even if frozen, is an executable format for 3D world. freezing tries to keep it motionless. it's like shoving a fucking wrench in the gears. that's retarded. I get it, it's better than nothing and rotting away, but it's still retarded and primitive and could be quite horrible for anyone going through the process.
full brain scanning, this should be top priority right now
Cryopreservation occurs after death and under anesthetic for good measure, and the actual accounts of freezing and being revived do not recount trauma at all. There's no reason to think you'd be dreaming for a century in the ice.
clearly dude, I didn't say anything remotely similar no fully being alive and maybe sleeping. still, I would not risk it, tho...if that's THE ONLY WAY they get to live, later, it might be worth it for them.
what I'm trying to say is that this is a VERY primitive step, there's better ways to skin that cat.
It isn't. The thing is that we're not attempting it correctly.
Cryonics already exists, and it happens in animals who hibernate over the winter. I personally believe cryonics will be accomplished by finding some way to replicate what frogs do in humans. Frogs will freeze solid over the winter and stay alive by using glucose in a state of incredibly low metabolism. Ultimately we may never be able to achieve true cryonics, i.e. freezing someone indefinitely, but I believe we may be able to prolong death for years, theoretically. I don't exactly know why we would want that, but I'm not the one who wants to be frozen.
Yes
If you don't care about your kids (if you even have any), what's the downside? Not all that weird in our fucked up society.
You might be spending up to $200,000 just to get frozen for a while, until the cryonics company goes out of business and all its corpses get thawed out and disposed of.
Even if you don't care about that 200k going to your kids, there are still plenty of other better things it could have been spent on
> until the cryonics company goes out of business and all its corpses get thawed out and disposed of.
unironically cant wait to see if any of them wake up only to die of massive organ failure
>there are still plenty of other better things it could have been spent on
Such as?
200k's worth of coke, hookers and viagra.
>up to $200,000
The price depends a lot on where and how you get cryopreserved. Cryopreservation at the Cryonics Institute only costs about $30,000, and neuropreservation at Alcor where only your head is preserved costs about $80,000.
>better things
Yeah, I'm sure you and your envy have lots of ideas what someone else's money should have been spent on.
My brother got a cryonics package for my dad a few years ago when he had to get his aorta replaced. So it's not just about parents fucking over their kids. That said my brother is a dev for an AI driven HFT company so I guess that's out of the ordinary.
>what's the downside?
Being perma-helltortured after being reanimated
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffering_risks
Because you dont survive being frozen. Your brain neuron connections get damaged and will be nearly impossible to revive you as you if they manage to revive you in the future in good scenario. In bad scenario ice crystals will break your cells apart and completely kill you with no hope of revival. Now this all could be alright it it was alternative to dying on the spot, but you need to be alive to be cryogenically frozen. So you are basically freezing yourself to death to become immortal while paying insane money for it and cursing your descendants to pay for it.
You could economize these much better if you didn't insist on making them sci-fi looking; dozens could be attached and their cooling scaled easily.
You don't "survive" your heart stopping, legally. Meanwhile, the cells of the brain are those least vulnerable to this lysing and most protected by the post-legal-death fluid replacement.
Also it's a one-time payment only, paid out in the form of insurance.
Yep. The currently nonexistent tissue repair technology that they're hoping for is, in my view, very feasible. We could have it within a couple decades.
However, no one currently frozen will ever be reanimated. Their brains are too far gone
No, its a genius means of scamming life insurance.
1 in a gazillion chance of being revived is better than the 0 of letting your body rot in the dirt.
>1 in a gazillion chance
It's not 1 in a gazillion, it's still 0. Cryonics prevents ice crystals from forming in the brain by bathing the brain in toxic chemicals that still destroy it and negate any possibility of resurrection
which chemicals?
If it can maintain the neuron structure well enough it might be enough
>it's still 0
Your understanding of epistemology is 0. You can’t even be 100% certain that statements like 2+2=4 are true. If you assert the odds of cryonics working are literally 0, you are asserting that you have literally infinite evidence for this.
https://www.lesswrong.com/s/FrqfoG3LJeCZs96Ym/p/ooypcn7qFzsMcy53R
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QGkYCwyC7wTDyt3yT/0-and-1-are-not-probabilities
>Lesswrong.com
You'll have a better chance of gaining immortality by trying religion.
Big Yud believes in it
>destroys every one of your cells with no chance of reconstruction
>HEY ITS BETTER THAN NOTHING!
I can understand the people about to die doing it, but I'm holding out for something realistic.
>but I'm holding out for something realistic
e.g. plastination
https://gwern.net/plastination
Plastination is shit for mind-cloning cultists. Nano-particles magnetic reheating is the future, see here
why are you afraid of death when we've confirmed an afterlife exist?
nderf.org . READ the FAQ and other pages before you read stories and make yourself look like a low IQ retard.
Huh. I never considered that before, that there may be life after death.
Thank you anon for this valuable information.
NDEs are a trick of the brain to keep you living. your brains has a constant stream of info from its sensing organs, even if you are unconscious, those data streams keep feeding info into the brain (as long as you are alive).
the brain can construct and feed you all kinds of stories, images, sounds, based on all previous experience and memories and present info being fed from senses.
everything that the brain is showing you has a single monumental purpose, to keep you alive, and to make you try your best to stay alive. what it shows you does not have to be true, only to keep you alive, which it does with a lot of bullshit stories.
you just can't accept your brain would bullshit you like that, which it constantly does anyway.
PROOOOOOOOOF???????
Cryonics is almost solved. The only retarded thing is no billionaire has scaled this up yet:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-38824-8
Are the canisters vertical and upright like that just for the visual appeal? I imagine they didn't want to store the corpses laying down like in a morgue just because of the negative connotations it would bring to mind to any potential customer. If the bodies are "standing" the prospect of them being revived seems more likely somehow.
t.brainlets that should leave LULZ immediately
in case something bad happens (e.g. major supply chain disruptions) liquid nitrogen will slowly evaporate. If bodies are vertical, this gives the most time to the head
are the bodies upside down?
Yes. brainlet
as long as connections remain, even after cell death, then it is not retarded
people will read again
It is a complete scam. Ignore all of the "maybes" about it and just recognize it's paying someone to freeze your body and that's it. Obviously a company will be happy to sell you that service if it's profitable, but beyond that, everything is your own hopes and dreams being projected onto the service. There is no innovation going on with it because there is no innovation necessary. It's just freezing people and they're already doing that about as well as you can currently. Any consciousness preservation services will most likely be digital/virtual in nature and that is where the innovation will be driven. Being frozen is pure cope.
freezing is a temporary (rather primitive) step. we need to solve brain scanning asap, that's the nicest way of doing it, not fucking mummification.
still having the brain, even if frozen, MIGHT result in SOME activity which would be horribe. yeah I know I understand there can't be anything remotely similar to normal functioning, still I wouldn't risk it.
a 3D body, even if frozen, is an executable format for 3D world. freezing tries to keep it motionless. it's like shoving a fucking wrench in the gears. that's retarded. I get it, it's better than nothing and rotting away, but it's still retarded and primitive and could be quite horrible for anyone going through the process.
full brain scanning, this should be top priority right now
Cryopreservation occurs after death and under anesthetic for good measure, and the actual accounts of freezing and being revived do not recount trauma at all. There's no reason to think you'd be dreaming for a century in the ice.
clearly dude, I didn't say anything remotely similar no fully being alive and maybe sleeping. still, I would not risk it, tho...if that's THE ONLY WAY they get to live, later, it might be worth it for them.
what I'm trying to say is that this is a VERY primitive step, there's better ways to skin that cat.
It isn't. The thing is that we're not attempting it correctly.
Cryonics already exists, and it happens in animals who hibernate over the winter. I personally believe cryonics will be accomplished by finding some way to replicate what frogs do in humans. Frogs will freeze solid over the winter and stay alive by using glucose in a state of incredibly low metabolism. Ultimately we may never be able to achieve true cryonics, i.e. freezing someone indefinitely, but I believe we may be able to prolong death for years, theoretically. I don't exactly know why we would want that, but I'm not the one who wants to be frozen.